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Mr. Luddite

On 11/1/2014 11:44 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 06:58:03 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/1/2014 1:44 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 21:19:40 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/31/2014 8:49 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:02:04 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Raises another question. Ever wonder why a new gun comes with a spent
shell in the box or case?

To test functionality. And/Or, to build a database of gun "fingerprints", i.e. bullet striations. That info, along with registration, can lead back to the owner.

I have never bought a gun with a case in the box.
I do question the validity of all of these ballistic fingerprint
things if the gun has been used a lot. I agree that if they have the
gun and a recently fired bullet or case, they usually can match them
up but if this gun has several thousand rounds of barrel erosion and
the slings and arrows of dirty ammo going through it, matching up
tool marks from the day it was made is going to be far from exact.

I bet the difference between S/N xxxxx1 and xxxxx2 brand new is less
than xxxx1 to xxxx1 after years of hard use. If the same tool cut the
rifling, won't the tool marks be very close to the same?

Interesting. When was the last time you bought a new gun?

Every gun I have purchased in the past 3-4 years has an envelope with a
spent round casing that was fired from the gun at the factory.

It's also mandatory that new guns come with some type of lock.

Is this a MA thing or is it true everywhere?

Certainly does not seem to be true in Florida. Maybe the dealers just
remove it if the manufacturer puts them in there.
The 9mm I bought recently had a trigger lock but it is a joke. A 10
year old with a fingernail file could pop it off.

I'd like to see a trigger lock like that. The ones I have (gun
manufacturer supplied) are pretty well made and substantial.
I took the Ruger 10/22 to the range once and forgot the key.
No way could I or anyone else remove the trigger lock unless we
destroyed something (like the rifle).

This thing is made of plastic. If I get a minute I will give this a
look and see what the easiest way to get it off would be. Obviously I
have tools in the garage that will take just about anything off.

The chamber locks supplied by the gun manufacturers are also pretty high
quality. Sure, maybe a heavy bolt cutter or half an hour with a hack
saw would work but again, the purpose of a trigger or chamber lock is to
help prevent accidental discharge of the firearm by the owner or an
inquisitive visitor when stored in your home. They are not designed to
prevent theft.

10 seconds with a side grinder?

The locks are *required* ... again by law. Even if you purchase a used
firearm from a licensed dealer up here, the dealer is required to
furnish a lock.

I still do not see the value. If your kid is going to be a problem
around your gun, the trigger lock does not prevent access to the gun,
they can play with the gun and the lock just becomes a puzzle for him
and his friends.

When I google how to remove a trigger lock I get hits for the various
brands. Most seem to be destructive of the lock but if you stole the
gun, so what? I would also be curious how hard it is to simply pick
the lock. The one I have looks pretty trivial but I did not spend any
time really looking at it.

I'll repeat again. The locks are *NOT* designed to prevent or even
dissuade theft. They are to help prevent accidental discharge.

The ones I have been supplied are not cheap plastic either. The trigger
lock is metal and would take anyone a while to figure out how to get it
off without the key. A kid that found it in the house (if you were
stupid enough to leave it laying around) isn't going to get it off in
10 seconds, 10 minutes or 10 hours.

The range I shoot at provides cheap plastic chamber "locks".
You are supposed to insert them and lay your gun down on the firing
table whenever the range is down while someone is placing targets, etc.

Not too many people insert them. They just lay the gun on the table and
step back.