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rw April 9th 04 01:06 AM

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wrote:
Spam from VoteNader.org? (Or naderexplore04.org)

You may have received spam email recently that appears to come from our
campaign, or be about our campaign -- perhaps the "From" and or
"Reply-to" addresses look like they are coming from VoteNader.org. Or
perhaps you have received a message that appears to come from an
individual (if the address is real, the real owner probably did not send
this email either) with suppressed recipients. Or maybe you received an
email that appeared to come from yourself promoting our site.


**** that egomaniac Ralph Nader and all the devil's spawn who supports
him. He's already set this country back four years, and he's aiming at
eight.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[email protected] April 9th 04 03:06 AM

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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:06:15 GMT, rw
wrote:

wrote:
Spam from VoteNader.org? (Or naderexplore04.org)

You may have received spam email recently that appears to come from our
campaign, or be about our campaign -- perhaps the "From" and or
"Reply-to" addresses look like they are coming from VoteNader.org. Or
perhaps you have received a message that appears to come from an
individual (if the address is real, the real owner probably did not send
this email either) with suppressed recipients. Or maybe you received an
email that appeared to come from yourself promoting our site.


**** that egomaniac Ralph Nader and all the devil's spawn who supports
him. He's already set this country back four years, and he's aiming at
eight.



The worst of it is, that I think _this_ message was the SPAM. I'd
seen nothing before it. Hmmm. Reverse ploy by some idiot on his
campaign staff? That'd be as dumb as the Minnesota guy who used his
dead bosses' funeral to make a political speech. Lost his party the
senatorial seat.
--

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rb608 April 9th 04 03:32 AM

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wrote in message
The worst of it is, that I think _this_ message was the SPAM. I'd
seen nothing before it. Hmmm. Reverse ploy by some idiot on his
campaign staff?


From what I've learned, this sort of thing is known as a "Joe Job". Not
that I'm crazy about that. g

Joe F.



John B., Indianapolis April 9th 04 04:01 AM

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I'm with you. The only Nader spam I've seen is the message that started
this thread.

John B.


lid wrote:

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:06:15 GMT, rw
wrote:


wrote:

Spam from VoteNader.org? (Or naderexplore04.org)

You may have received spam email recently that appears to come from our
campaign, or be about our campaign -- perhaps the "From" and or
"Reply-to" addresses look like they are coming from VoteNader.org. Or
perhaps you have received a message that appears to come from an
individual (if the address is real, the real owner probably did not send
this email either) with suppressed recipients. Or maybe you received an
email that appeared to come from yourself promoting our site.


**** that egomaniac Ralph Nader and all the devil's spawn who supports
him. He's already set this country back four years, and he's aiming at
eight.




The worst of it is, that I think _this_ message was the SPAM. I'd
seen nothing before it. Hmmm. Reverse ploy by some idiot on his
campaign staff? That'd be as dumb as the Minnesota guy who used his
dead bosses' funeral to make a political speech. Lost his party the
senatorial seat.



Asadi April 9th 04 12:27 PM

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don't too much disagree with you but the post has nothing to do with Nader,
that's a front

john

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
wrote:
Spam from VoteNader.org? (Or naderexplore04.org)

You may have received spam email recently that appears to come from our
campaign, or be about our campaign -- perhaps the "From" and or
"Reply-to" addresses look like they are coming from VoteNader.org. Or
perhaps you have received a message that appears to come from an
individual (if the address is real, the real owner probably did not send
this email either) with suppressed recipients. Or maybe you received an
email that appeared to come from yourself promoting our site.


**** that egomaniac Ralph Nader and all the devil's spawn who supports
him. He's already set this country back four years, and he's aiming at
eight.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.




Bob in Idaho April 9th 04 09:48 PM

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Spoken like a truly arrogant Fascist.

Bob C.
Idahoan for Ralph Nader

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
wrote:
Spam from VoteNader.org? (Or naderexplore04.org)

You may have received spam email recently that appears to come from our
campaign, or be about our campaign -- perhaps the "From" and or
"Reply-to" addresses look like they are coming from VoteNader.org. Or
perhaps you have received a message that appears to come from an
individual (if the address is real, the real owner probably did not send
this email either) with suppressed recipients. Or maybe you received an
email that appeared to come from yourself promoting our site.


**** that egomaniac Ralph Nader and all the devil's spawn who supports
him. He's already set this country back four years, and he's aiming at
eight.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.




rw April 9th 04 11:50 PM

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Bob in Idaho wrote:
Spoken like a truly arrogant Fascist.

Bob C.
Idahoan for Ralph Nader


Supporting Ralph Nader in Idaho is a perfect example of futility and
ineffectuality. Fortunately for those of us who are sane, your
particular vote for Ralph, assuming he even makes it onto the ballot,
won't make a damn bit of difference.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Bob in Idaho April 10th 04 01:50 AM

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Precisely! Votes cast for Ralph Nader have absolutely no affect on the
outcome of the race between the two main candidates, no matter where those
votes were are cast.

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
Spoken like a truly arrogant Fascist.

Bob C.
Idahoan for Ralph Nader


Supporting Ralph Nader in Idaho is a perfect example of futility and
ineffectuality. Fortunately for those of us who are sane, your
particular vote for Ralph, assuming he even makes it onto the ballot,
won't make a damn bit of difference.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.




rw April 10th 04 02:32 AM

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Bob in Idaho wrote:
Precisely! Votes cast for Ralph Nader have absolutely no affect on the
outcome of the race between the two main candidates, no matter where those
votes were are cast.


How about, for example, Florida in 2000?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Bob C in Idaho April 10th 04 03:19 AM

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"Twelve percent of Florida Democrats (over 200,000) voted for Republican
George Bush"
-San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 9, 2000

The Greens received 97,488 votes and the votes cast for all other candidates
and write-ins amounted to 40,579 --grand total of 138,067. So one could
logically conclude from these figures that NO votes cast for Ralph Nader had
any affect on the outcome. However, had registered Democrats trusted their
parties choice, George Bush would likely be reading comic books at his Texas
ranch rather than in the White House.

If figures don't impress you, please, explain how you can conclude that
votes not cast for Nader (or any of the other non-major candidates)
automatically convert in to votes for Gore?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader

"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
Precisely! Votes cast for Ralph Nader have absolutely no affect on the
outcome of the race between the two main candidates, no matter where

those
votes were are cast.


How about, for example, Florida in 2000?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.



George Cleveland April 10th 04 03:25 AM

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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:19:12 GMT, "Bob C in Idaho"
wrote:

"Twelve percent of Florida Democrats (over 200,000) voted for Republican
George Bush"
-San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 9, 2000

The Greens received 97,488 votes and the votes cast for all other candidates
and write-ins amounted to 40,579 --grand total of 138,067. So one could
logically conclude from these figures that NO votes cast for Ralph Nader had
any affect on the outcome. However, had registered Democrats trusted their
parties choice, George Bush would likely be reading comic books at his Texas
ranch rather than in the White House.

If figures don't impress you, please, explain how you can conclude that
votes not cast for Nader (or any of the other non-major candidates)
automatically convert in to votes for Gore?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader

"rw" wrote in message
link.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
Precisely! Votes cast for Ralph Nader have absolutely no affect on the
outcome of the race between the two main candidates, no matter where

those
votes were are cast.


How about, for example, Florida in 2000?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Absolutely illogical. If only 1000 Naderites had voted for Gore
instead of Ralf, then we wouldn't have the assholes we currently have
in control of the Whitehouse. Perhaps other assholes but certainly not
the ones there now. In the system we have now, with no run off
elections between the two top vote getters third parties will always
have the effect of tilting the election one way or another.


g.c.

Bob C in Idaho April 10th 04 03:59 AM

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If only 1000 of the 200,000 Democrats hadn't voted for Bush, your argument
would have some relevance within the context of the preceding post.

Bob C
Idahoan for Nader
"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:19:12 GMT, "Bob C in Idaho"
wrote:

"Twelve percent of Florida Democrats (over 200,000) voted for Republican
George Bush"
-San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 9, 2000

The Greens received 97,488 votes and the votes cast for all other

candidates
and write-ins amounted to 40,579 --grand total of 138,067. So one could
logically conclude from these figures that NO votes cast for Ralph Nader

had
any affect on the outcome. However, had registered Democrats trusted

their
parties choice, George Bush would likely be reading comic books at his

Texas
ranch rather than in the White House.

If figures don't impress you, please, explain how you can conclude that
votes not cast for Nader (or any of the other non-major candidates)
automatically convert in to votes for Gore?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader

"rw" wrote in message
link.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
Precisely! Votes cast for Ralph Nader have absolutely no affect on

the
outcome of the race between the two main candidates, no matter where

those
votes were are cast.

How about, for example, Florida in 2000?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Absolutely illogical. If only 1000 Naderites had voted for Gore
instead of Ralf, then we wouldn't have the assholes we currently have
in control of the Whitehouse. Perhaps other assholes but certainly not
the ones there now. In the system we have now, with no run off
elections between the two top vote getters third parties will always
have the effect of tilting the election one way or another.


g.c.



George Cleveland April 10th 04 04:02 AM

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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:59:27 GMT, "Bob C in Idaho"
wrote:

If only 1000 of the 200,000 Democrats hadn't voted for Bush, your argument
would have some relevance within the context of the preceding post.

Bob C
Idahoan for Nader

You're equivocating.

g.c.

Howard April 10th 04 11:55 AM

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Fix the election System, Don't Blame Nader
From http://www.systemsthinker.com/writin...amenader.shtml

The "spoiler" issue is actually a flaw in our election system, and we
don't have to put up with it. We can fix that problem. We are working
to do just that in Ferndale, Michigan through a system called Instant
Runoff Voting. It is used all over the world, is endorsed by John
McCain, Howard Dean, and USA Today, and would make sure there are
never spoilers again in American elections. For more information
visit, http://www.firv.org and http://www.fairvote.org/irv

Democrats and Republicans need to stop complaining about third parties
"spoiling" elections unless they are willing to support Instant Runoff
Voting to ensure it never happens again. If they won't support this
common sense reform, then there is really no alternative to third
parties but to continue having their voices heard by running anyways.
Imagine if as much energy was put into fixing the fundamental problem
in the election system as is put towards discouraging and vilifying
third party candidates who really represent the victims of the system
enforced by the two major parties themselves.

Also See: http://www.firv.org/pressreleases/naderirvpr22204.html

Detroit Free Press article in support of IRV due to Nader:
http://www.freep.com/news/politics/d...5_20040225.htm

Oakland Press article in support of IRV due to Nader:
http://www.fairvote.org/editorials/oakland.htm

For more of Ferndale for Instant Runoff Voting In The News see
http://www.firv.org/inthenews.html


George Cleveland wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:59:27 GMT, "Bob C in Idaho"
wrote:

If only 1000 of the 200,000 Democrats hadn't voted for Bush, your argument
would have some relevance within the context of the preceding post.

Bob C
Idahoan for Nader

You're equivocating.

g.c.


quack April 10th 04 01:05 PM

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Instant runoff sounds handy for those mornings on the Canyon when your boat
is stranded on the beach, or when the slot in Grim Reaper on the Lochsa is
too narrow for my boat to thread through . . . I'd vote for that.

Bob in Idaho April 10th 04 03:36 PM

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How is it that I am "equivocating," when registered voters of the Democratic
Party couldn't bring themselves to vote for their own parties choice for
POTUSA If you wish to blame some individuals/entities for G.W. Bush's
current residence, look no further than the Democratic Party and its
disillusioned members, but don't blame other parties nor their supporters
for the short-comings of the Democratic Party.

You anti-Nader folks might want to take a civics refresher course or two.
Last check, our political system was still a multi-party system. Thus,
people are free to vote for the candidate of their choosing, even if that
candidate isn't the one that you would like to see win the office of POTUSA
or dog catcher for that matter.

Sour grapes are not very tasty nor are they a convincing political argument.

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:59:27 GMT, "Bob C in Idaho"
wrote:

If only 1000 of the 200,000 Democrats hadn't voted for Bush, your

argument
would have some relevance within the context of the preceding post.

Bob C
Idahoan for Nader

You're equivocating.

g.c.




nielsdt April 10th 04 03:41 PM

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This poster believes that casting a vote for a major party candidate is
futile. Meanwhile, he spends his time posting political drivel to a
paddling newsgroup. Those Nader people really have their priorities
straight, don't they?

nielsdt

"Bob in Idaho" wrote in message
...
Precisely! Votes cast for Ralph Nader have absolutely no affect on the
outcome of the race between the two main candidates, no matter where those
votes were are cast.

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
Spoken like a truly arrogant Fascist.

Bob C.
Idahoan for Ralph Nader


Supporting Ralph Nader in Idaho is a perfect example of futility and
ineffectuality. Fortunately for those of us who are sane, your
particular vote for Ralph, assuming he even makes it onto the ballot,
won't make a damn bit of difference.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.






Kenny McCormack April 10th 04 05:33 PM

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In article ,
Howard wrote:
Fix the election System, Don't Blame Nader
From http://www.systemsthinker.com/writin...amenader.shtml

The "spoiler" issue is actually a flaw in our election system, and we
don't have to put up with it. We can fix that problem. We are working
to do just that in Ferndale, Michigan through a system called Instant
Runoff Voting. It is used all over the world, is endorsed by John
McCain, Howard Dean, and USA Today, and would make sure there are
never spoilers again in American elections. For more information
visit, http://www.firv.org and http://www.fairvote.org/irv


Well, when you get right down to it, why not just require that everybody
vote for A or B. Simply disallow 3rd party votes, and you won't need
"runoffs".

Note that much of the (civilized) world has made election participation
mandatory, so it is a small step from there to making it mandatory that you
vote for one or other of the majors.

And, what does this have to do with OKBridge?


rw April 10th 04 06:24 PM

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Bob in Idaho wrote:
How is it that I am "equivocating," when registered voters of the Democratic
Party couldn't bring themselves to vote for their own parties choice for
POTUSA


You are equivocating because there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if Nader
hadn't run in 2000, then Gore would be President today. Case closed.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wayne Harrison April 10th 04 06:31 PM

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"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
How is it that I am "equivocating," when registered voters of the

Democratic
Party couldn't bring themselves to vote for their own parties choice for
POTUSA


You are equivocating because there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if Nader
hadn't run in 2000, then Gore would be President today. Case closed.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


yep. directed verdict for the plaintiff, rw.

wayno (hell, this judge stuff is *easy*)



Bob in Idaho April 10th 04 07:59 PM

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Well since you put it that way, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if ALL
the Democrats in Florida had voted for Gore in 2000, Gore would be President
today! Another case closed.

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me that I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.

Except in your own mind, you have totally failed to prove your case against
Nader.

According to your logic, you might as well take a shot at the Reform Party
which garnered 17,484 votes in Florida or the Libertarian Party which
garnered 16,415 votes in Florida. Either of those parties candidates votes
could also have pushed Gore over the top, well except for one tiny little
factor, the people who voted for those candidates didn't vote for Gore
either! They voted for the candidate of their choice, and it wasn't Al
Gore.

You might as well say that George W. Bush cost Al Gore the election, since
he was able to convince Democrats to vote for him who wouldn't otherwise
have voted for him, if he hadn't run for the office of POTUSA.

Face it fella, until there is a constitutional amendment passed making our
political system a two party system, you'll just have to live with the fact
that not everyone agrees with the Democrat/Republican Party agendas. It's
politics in America, get used to it.

One question though: If by chance Ralph Nader were to pull out this time
around, which parties candidate are you going to blame if George W. Bush
wins again?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
How is it that I am "equivocating," when registered voters of the

Democratic
Party couldn't bring themselves to vote for their own parties choice for
POTUSA


You are equivocating because there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if Nader
hadn't run in 2000, then Gore would be President today. Case closed.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.




rw April 10th 04 09:03 PM

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Bob in Idaho wrote:

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me that I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.


I not saying that Nader doesn't have a right to run for President, and
that you and your ilk don't have a right to vote for him. Of course you do.

I'm saying that it's STUPID!

If Nader hadn't run in 2000, 649 American servicemen (and counting)
wouldn't have died in Iraq, thousands more wouldn't have been seriously
wounded, and we wouldn't be stuck in a deadly, no-win quagmire, on the
brink of civil war, abandoned by nearly all of our allies.

BTW, just to be fair, we also wouldn't have found any weapons of mass
destruction. (I'd put a smiley here, but somehow it doesn't seem
appropriate.)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang April 10th 04 09:10 PM

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"Bob in Idaho" wrote in message
.. .
Well since you put it that way, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if ALL
the Democrats in Florida had voted for Gore in 2000, Gore would be

President
today! Another case closed.

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me that

I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.

Except in your own mind, you have totally failed to prove your case

against
Nader.

According to your logic, you might as well take a shot at the Reform Party
which garnered 17,484 votes in Florida or the Libertarian Party which
garnered 16,415 votes in Florida. Either of those parties candidates

votes
could also have pushed Gore over the top, well except for one tiny little
factor, the people who voted for those candidates didn't vote for Gore
either! They voted for the candidate of their choice, and it wasn't Al
Gore.

You might as well say that George W. Bush cost Al Gore the election, since
he was able to convince Democrats to vote for him who wouldn't otherwise
have voted for him, if he hadn't run for the office of POTUSA.

Face it fella, until there is a constitutional amendment passed making our
political system a two party system, you'll just have to live with the

fact
that not everyone agrees with the Democrat/Republican Party agendas. It's
politics in America, get used to it.

One question though: If by chance Ralph Nader were to pull out this time
around, which parties candidate are you going to blame if George W. Bush
wins again?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader


O.k., this has gone on long enough. I was hoping that the whole mess would
have blown over by now but, obviously, this is not the case. It's MY fault.
Yes, it's true. You see, I lived in Florida back in 1971. One night (in
June, I think it was) I conceived a brilliant reform plan that would forever
change the face of American politics and make it impossible for a fool of
any size, shape, color, sexual orientation, or political philosophy (however
badly pretended) to be elected to any national office. I'd actually
initiated the plan, which would have required only a few more hours of
careful nurturing before acquiring an unstoppable momentum of its own, when
a couple of buddies suggested we all go out for a couple of drinks. Well, I
was tired and overwrought......I acceded. Um.....one thing led to another
and we all got stinking drunk.....woke up somewhere on South Beach about
three o'clock the next afternoon. The plan faltered......I never could
remember exactly what it was. I accept full responsibility for my actions.
I'm sorry. :(

Wolfgang
who would like a shot of redemption to go with his catharsis, please.



Karl Lohninger April 10th 04 10:36 PM

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Could you all please stop cross posting! I don't where this discussion
belongs to , but please, take it off

rec.arts.movies.production.sound

Very much appreciated, thanks, Karl





On 4/10/04 1:10 PM, in article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:


"Bob in Idaho" wrote in message
.. .
Well since you put it that way, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if ALL
the Democrats in Florida had voted for Gore in 2000, Gore would be

President
today! Another case closed.

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me that

I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.

Except in your own mind, you have totally failed to prove your case

against
Nader.

According to your logic, you might as well take a shot at the Reform Party
which garnered 17,484 votes in Florida or the Libertarian Party which
garnered 16,415 votes in Florida. Either of those parties candidates

votes
could also have pushed Gore over the top, well except for one tiny little
factor, the people who voted for those candidates didn't vote for Gore
either! They voted for the candidate of their choice, and it wasn't Al
Gore.

You might as well say that George W. Bush cost Al Gore the election, since
he was able to convince Democrats to vote for him who wouldn't otherwise
have voted for him, if he hadn't run for the office of POTUSA.

Face it fella, until there is a constitutional amendment passed making our
political system a two party system, you'll just have to live with the

fact
that not everyone agrees with the Democrat/Republican Party agendas. It's
politics in America, get used to it.

One question though: If by chance Ralph Nader were to pull out this time
around, which parties candidate are you going to blame if George W. Bush
wins again?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader


O.k., this has gone on long enough. I was hoping that the whole mess would
have blown over by now but, obviously, this is not the case. It's MY fault.
Yes, it's true. You see, I lived in Florida back in 1971. One night (in
June, I think it was) I conceived a brilliant reform plan that would forever
change the face of American politics and make it impossible for a fool of
any size, shape, color, sexual orientation, or political philosophy (however
badly pretended) to be elected to any national office. I'd actually
initiated the plan, which would have required only a few more hours of
careful nurturing before acquiring an unstoppable momentum of its own, when
a couple of buddies suggested we all go out for a couple of drinks. Well, I
was tired and overwrought......I acceded. Um.....one thing led to another
and we all got stinking drunk.....woke up somewhere on South Beach about
three o'clock the next afternoon. The plan faltered......I never could
remember exactly what it was. I accept full responsibility for my actions.
I'm sorry. :(

Wolfgang
who would like a shot of redemption to go with his catharsis, please.




Mike Connor April 10th 04 10:42 PM

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"Bob in Idaho" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .


So how do you feel about WF lines?

MC



Bob in Idaho April 10th 04 11:41 PM

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Well, now we've taken a turn for the worse.

That Mr. Nader decided to run for political office is no more STUPID than
the decision of any other political candidate to do the same. Thus, if it
is not STUPID for Mr. Nader to run for office, it follows that it wouldn't
be STUPID to vote for him anymore than it would be STUPID to vote for ANY
OTHER CANDIDATE.

I certainly hope the sky doesn't fall, the Anti-Christ doesn't rise, or you
don't find a boil on your arse. Heaven knows Mr. Nader wouldn't want to be
blamed for any of that, in addition to the preposterous load that you just
heaped upon him.

My ilk? Hmm, my ilk? Ok, my ilk and I are content that Mr. Nader is in no
way responsible for the War, the inevitable dead and wounded that naturally
follow such sad affairs, the reiterated aforementioned and an untenable
situation for which an Iraqi intifada is likely to occur, and for which we
will lose all hope of future international respect and backing.

I certainly hope you have learned a valuable lesson and will attempt to be a
bit more thoughtful in you future deliberations, be they political or
otherwise.

HTH'd

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader

"rw" wrote in message
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Bob in Idaho wrote:

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me

that I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.


I not saying that Nader doesn't have a right to run for President, and
that you and your ilk don't have a right to vote for him. Of course you

do.

I'm saying that it's STUPID!

If Nader hadn't run in 2000, 649 American servicemen (and counting)
wouldn't have died in Iraq, thousands more wouldn't have been seriously
wounded, and we wouldn't be stuck in a deadly, no-win quagmire, on the
brink of civil war, abandoned by nearly all of our allies.

BTW, just to be fair, we also wouldn't have found any weapons of mass
destruction. (I'd put a smiley here, but somehow it doesn't seem
appropriate.)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.




Bob in Idaho April 10th 04 11:59 PM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 
I have felt about WF lines a time or two in my life, but I much prefer
casting a DT line.

And you?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"Bob in Idaho" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .


So how do you feel about WF lines?

MC





daytripper April 11th 04 12:04 AM

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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:41:39 -0400, "Bob in Idaho" wrote:

Well, now we've taken a turn for the worse.

That Mr. Nader decided to run for political office is no more STUPID than
the decision of any other political candidate to do the same. Thus, if it
is not STUPID for Mr. Nader to run for office, it follows that it wouldn't
be STUPID to vote for him anymore than it would be STUPID to vote for ANY
OTHER CANDIDATE.

I certainly hope the sky doesn't fall, the Anti-Christ doesn't rise, or you
don't find a boil on your arse. Heaven knows Mr. Nader wouldn't want to be
blamed for any of that, in addition to the preposterous load that you just
heaped upon him.

My ilk? Hmm, my ilk? Ok, my ilk and I are content that Mr. Nader is in no
way responsible for the War, the inevitable dead and wounded that naturally
follow such sad affairs, the reiterated aforementioned and an untenable
situation for which an Iraqi intifada is likely to occur, and for which we
will lose all hope of future international respect and backing.

I certainly hope you have learned a valuable lesson and will attempt to be a
bit more thoughtful in you future deliberations, be they political or
otherwise.

HTH'd

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader


Meanwhile, somewhere in Texas there's a village that has lost its idiot...

Bob in Idaho April 11th 04 12:08 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 
So, what do I receive, punitive or compensatory damages?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
om...

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
How is it that I am "equivocating," when registered voters of the

Democratic
Party couldn't bring themselves to vote for their own parties choice

for
POTUSA


You are equivocating because there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if Nader
hadn't run in 2000, then Gore would be President today. Case closed.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


yep. directed verdict for the plaintiff, rw.

wayno (hell, this judge stuff is *easy*)





Wolfgang April 11th 04 12:09 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 

"daytripper" wrote in message
...


Meanwhile, somewhere in Texas there's a village that has lost its idiot...


Blatant fear-mongering.

Wolfgang
who knows that most villages keep an ample stock of spares.



Wayne Harrison April 11th 04 01:06 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 

"Bob in Idaho" wrote in message
.. .
So, what do I receive, punitive or compensatory damages?



treble damages awarded against you: failure to understand that the
verdict was rendered *against* you; compensatory damages against you in rw's
counterclaim; punitive damages for filing a ridiculous claim; and treble
damages, just because it ought to be that bad.

a. wayne harrison, j.



Charles Tomaras April 11th 04 01:55 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org (CROSS POSTING)
 
Hey guys...while I respect your right to discuss this issue, no one is
participating in your discussion from the rec.arts.movies.production.sound
newsgroup. Can I ask that you direct your posts to the newsgroup you are
reading them in and stop the senseless crossposting to newsgroups that
choose not to discuss politics.

Thanks!




"Bob in Idaho" wrote in message
.. .
I have felt about WF lines a time or two in my life, but I much prefer
casting a DT line.

And you?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"Bob in Idaho" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .


So how do you feel about WF lines?

MC







Bob C in Idaho April 11th 04 02:04 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 
Hah, a kangaroo court. Yes, I should have known, as the triple damages are
so similar to the number of Democrats that voted against Al Gore and for
George W. Bush in Florida compared to the number of votes that Ralph Nader
received, the fact that every third-party candidate received enough votes to
cost Al Gore the election, and the fact that Florida wouldn't even have been
a factor in the outcome, if only Al Gore had won his home state.

Fine wines may become better with time, but sour grape only become putrid.

I'm afraid that you gentlemen couldn't make a decent case utilizing mahogany
and teak.

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
m...

"Bob in Idaho" wrote in message
.. .
So, what do I receive, punitive or compensatory damages?



treble damages awarded against you: failure to understand that the
verdict was rendered *against* you; compensatory damages against you in

rw's
counterclaim; punitive damages for filing a ridiculous claim; and treble
damages, just because it ought to be that bad.

a. wayne harrison, j.




rw April 11th 04 03:14 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 
Bob in Idaho wrote:

My ilk? Hmm, my ilk? Ok, my ilk and I are content that Mr. Nader is in no
way responsible for the War, the inevitable dead and wounded that naturally
follow such sad affairs, the reiterated aforementioned and an untenable
situation for which an Iraqi intifada is likely to occur, and for which we
will lose all hope of future international respect and backing.


If Nader hadn't run, it wouldn't have happened. Q.E.D.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Mmbridge April 11th 04 04:19 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 
"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:

My ilk? Hmm, my ilk? Ok, my ilk and I are content that Mr. Nader is in

no
way responsible for the War, the inevitable dead and wounded that

naturally
follow such sad affairs, the reiterated aforementioned and an untenable
situation for which an Iraqi intifada is likely to occur, and for which

we
will lose all hope of future international respect and backing.


If Nader hadn't run, it wouldn't have happened. Q.E.D.


I don't get the point of this thread.

If Nader's running caused President Bush to be elected, then he deserves to
get *credit*, right?

Mmbridge



rw April 11th 04 04:36 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 
Mmbridge wrote:

If Nader's running caused President Bush to be elected, then he deserves to
get *credit*, right?


That's a valid point of view. (Funny, too.) If Nader had the guts and
honesty to take credit, I'd be happy.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

John B., Indianapolis April 11th 04 06:01 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 

At his last press conference, what microphone did Ralph use?

John B.


Bob in Idaho wrote:
I have felt about WF lines a time or two in my life, but I much prefer
casting a DT line.

And you?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"Bob in Idaho" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...


So how do you feel about WF lines?

MC







Charles Tomaras April 11th 04 07:52 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 
Hey guys...before you reply to the next message in this thread please remove
rec.audio.movies.production.sound from the list of newsgroups you are
replying to. None of our newsgroup members have contributed to your thread
and we'd all like to see it disappear from our group. As you can see I've
already removed it from this post...please do the same from your replies to
other messages in this thread. By all means have a great discussion...but
please don't cross post.

thanks!


"Bob C in Idaho" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hah, a kangaroo court. Yes, I should have known, as the triple damages
are
so similar to the number of Democrats that voted against Al Gore and for
George W. Bush in Florida compared to the number of votes that Ralph Nader
received, the fact that every third-party candidate received enough votes
to
cost Al Gore the election, and the fact that Florida wouldn't even have
been
a factor in the outcome, if only Al Gore had won his home state.

Fine wines may become better with time, but sour grape only become putrid.

I'm afraid that you gentlemen couldn't make a decent case utilizing
mahogany
and teak.

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
m...

"Bob in Idaho" wrote in message
.. .
So, what do I receive, punitive or compensatory damages?



treble damages awarded against you: failure to understand that the
verdict was rendered *against* you; compensatory damages against you in

rw's
counterclaim; punitive damages for filing a ridiculous claim; and treble
damages, just because it ought to be that bad.

a. wayne harrison, j.






Michael P. Thompson April 12th 04 05:42 AM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 
Tell ya one thing, the Nader organization has gotten more publicity out of
this supposed spam than they did all the last election season.


Tom Gibson April 12th 04 10:32 PM

Statement on Spam and VoteNader.org
 
(Kenny McCormack) wrote in message ...
[snip]
Well, when you get right down to it, why not just require that everybody
vote for A or B. Simply disallow 3rd party votes, and you won't need
"runoffs".


Great idea. Then we can just get rid of B and we'll have the perfect
system! Just like those poor *******s in North Korea, China and Cuba!
Yippee! Didn't Saddam Hussein get 100% of the popular vote in Iraq
not too long ago? You see how well that worked out...

I'd prefer two or even four strong 'third parties' that would
basically force congress into coalition blocks--kind of like most of
Europe. However, most of Europe is ethnically homogenous--unlike the
USA. I fear that a truly multi-party system in the US would divide
the nation among socio-economic lines even more than the current
two-party sytem already does.


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