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Started kayaking a few months ago and am now wanting my own boat (I got the
bug!). I'm a very small paddler (5ft tall and 8st) and have been scouring the net but need some questions answered. I'd wait and ask the instructor but won't be seeing him till Thurs, and well, you know, I just need to know! I've been looking at these mainly: Dagger Juice 6.9 and G Ride 6.2. Expensive, but I'm willing to save up. Worth the money? Good all-rounders? Have also just been recommended these: Necky Witch, Necky Chronic and the Liquid Trigger. I've so far been mainly picking boats I like from their shape, as I've played around in other peoples boats and am basing them on what's similar! I've been mainly using Dagger RPM's so far, but they just don't feel quite right. I'd like a boat that I'm going to grow into and now be bored of in a year. I've been told my balance is excellent, so I'm not too bothered about having a slightly unstable boat, just as long as I can control it. I also want it to be able to do allsorts. Rivers, rapids, surfing, flat water, I want it all! Now, can someone sort out some definitions for me please? Playboating? Is it surfing? That was my impression but I'm not so sure now! Keyhole deck? None of them look particularly keyhole shaped to me! Creeking and River running. Right, think that's everything until I think of something else! Please post any other thoughts you might have. Everything helps! Hoping to get this boat by September in time for the clubs annual surfing trip! Many thanks, Charlie. -- Contemporary Jewellery Design http://www.kallistos.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004 |
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Hi Charlie,
In the absence of any more learned contributions (I am _not_ a top notch playboater): An RPM is going to be huge on you. I think you need a boat that you can get to fit you very snug and with a flattish bottom and rails. Whatever you do you will want to change it in a year - it's the deal! I always do .... Not sure of exact boat - I've been out of touch this year and that is all it takes. I like Eskimo boats myself and paddle a Quadro (as I am over 80 Kg). Some will laugh but I love this in the UK (I paddle up to sort of grade 4 fairly solidly and can flat spin and loop on a very good day. I have been known to land a cartwheel...) In the Alps when I last went a year or so ago I paddled a Dagger GTX which definitely got me over some holes that would have eaten me in the Quadro. It is bigger volume but pretty responsive (I don't think you could do any complex moves in it rodeo wise). They do (did?) a smaller version, the GT. In a perfect world I suspect you would have a boat for sea surf, another for Hurley, a third for the Alps and a creeking boat for rushing out of the house when it is raining hard (if you live in Wales, Scotland or the South West of England. Playboating - I recommend getting hold of "Playboater" - Heather Gunn's mag (it has a website). My personal definition is enjoying yourself on or going down a river doing things other than nailing solid eddies etc - so almost anything goes with respect to "moves". In competition though the moves have got more and more complex and frankly astounding as far as I am concerned. Keyhole decks - they all are these days. It is a comparison with tiny round cockpits you see. You had to perform an odd manoeuvre of basically feeding the boat forward off your legs. I used to surf an old GRP slalom boat with one in the seventies and very frightening it was when you blew the roll and had to get out in the soup! Whatever you do I hope you have a blast! David In article , AMorg ..uk (Charlie) wrote: Started kayaking a few months ago and am now wanting my own boat (I got the |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:14:00 +0100, "Charlie"
wrote: Started kayaking a few months ago and am now wanting my own boat (I got the bug!). I'm a very small paddler (5ft tall and 8st) and have been scouring the net but need some questions answered. I'd wait and ask the instructor but won't be seeing him till Thurs, and well, you know, I just need to know! I've been looking at these mainly: Dagger Juice 6.9 and G Ride 6.2. Expensive, but I'm willing to save up. Worth the money? Good all-rounders? Have also just been recommended these: Necky Witch, Necky Chronic and the Liquid Trigger. I've so far been mainly picking boats I like from their shape, as I've played around in other peoples boats and am basing them on what's similar! I've been mainly using Dagger RPM's so far, but they just don't feel quite right. I'd like a boat that I'm going to grow into and now be bored of in a year. I've been told my balance is excellent, so I'm not too bothered about having a slightly unstable boat, just as long as I can control it. I also want it to be able to do allsorts. Rivers, rapids, surfing, flat water, I want it all! Now, can someone sort out some definitions for me please? Playboating? Is it surfing? That was my impression but I'm not so sure now! Keyhole deck? None of them look particularly keyhole shaped to me! Creeking and River running. Right, think that's everything until I think of something else! Please post any other thoughts you might have. Everything helps! Hoping to get this boat by September in time for the clubs annual surfing trip! Don't buy till you try properly. Lots of people say this is a good all-rounder, but when it comes down to it they really mean its very good for them doing the things they want to do. Try different boats, pick the one you want. A boat that is great for playboating may be iffy on river running and crap on flat water, and so on. Don't buy too small a boat. Have fun. Ewan Scott |
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wrote in message ... Don't buy too small a boat. Have fun. Ewan Scott Why not too small a boat? I mean, what's a good indication of the right length for your size? Charlie. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004 |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:02:27 +0100, "Charlie"
wrote: wrote in message .. . Don't buy too small a boat. Have fun. Ewan Scott Why not too small a boat? I mean, what's a good indication of the right length for your size? How long is a piece of string? I take kids out on flat water to train 1/2/3 Star. They usually paddle Whippits or Whiplashes, not long boats, but longer than my old Riot Glide or Inazone 232. If they make any effort to paddle I can't keep up with them (different hull shape too). When I was learning I used an Odysee (a veritable barge with a keel). It ran straight and none of the instructors could keep up with me - forward or reverse paddling. If you get too small a boat, say, for argument's sake a Sub 6 190 (I think), you can have great fun playboating, but try river running and you may find yourself having to utilise rolling skills quite frequently. Look at the boats, and think about your own ability. If the front deck falls away and the rear deck also falls away, the boat will have little volume. Check the hull shape. My Glide has a cross-hatched flat keel, ideal for playing and possibly river running, maybe even surfing, but it creates a lot of resistance on flatter water. Something else you might not be aware of. It might not matter to you. Every boat has a built in maximum speed. Longer narrower boats tend to be faster, their stern wave is further behind them than it would be on a short boat. We demo this for the kids by paddling a short boat as hard as we can. They soon see the stern wave build up and suck the rear of the boat down. I'd never tell anyone what boat to buy, I'd possibly advise caution though. I'm fortunate in that our Scout Group has access to a wide range of boats, and our pool of Coaches means that there are always different boats around to play with. Play with other peoples' boats for a while before you buy. If you don't and you pick the wrong boat, expect to lose a good 25 per cent in value in six months. Pick the right one and you have something that can last for years if you wish. You maybe also want to consider your paddle too... Best of luck. Ewan Scott |
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wrote in message ... I take kids out on flat water to train 1/2/3 Star. They usually paddle Whippits or Whiplashes, not long boats, but longer than my old Riot Glide or Inazone 232. If they make any effort to paddle I can't keep up with them (different hull shape too). The Inazone 212 was reccomended to me by the shop that supplies our club kayaks. Haven't heard anything else about it, but it IS in my price range, leaving me enough change to buy a spraydeck! What did you think of it? I've seen reviews that say it's a good beginners boat but will it grow with me as I get better? Will I be able to run down Welsh rivers as well as play in the sea here? When I was learning I used an Odysee (a veritable barge with a keel). It ran straight and none of the instructors could keep up with me - forward or reverse paddling. I've been playing Polo too, and wow do those boats move! I can understand why, but I've semi-decided I don't like that shape much. I find them hard to stear! If you get too small a boat, say, for argument's sake a Sub 6 190 (I think), you can have great fun playboating, but try river running and you may find yourself having to utilise rolling skills quite frequently. Ah, so playboats are an uh-oh for rivers? Most of the guys in our club seem to use playboats, but they're all experienced and good! Something else you might not be aware of. It might not matter to you. Every boat has a built in maximum speed. This I'm not too bothered about. I'd rather be able to mess about in it that get somewhere quickly! I'd never tell anyone what boat to buy, I'd possibly advise caution though. I'm fortunate in that our Scout Group has access to a wide range of boats, and our pool of Coaches means that there are always different boats around to play with. Yup, going to attempt to do this Thursday. Unfortunatly most of the members with their own boats are large men, and most of the club boats are either RPM's or crappy old ones that are like polo kayaks. You maybe also want to consider your paddle too... Paddle I'm not going to attempt yet! I'm happy borrowing bits and pieces of the clubs kit at the moment, boat and spraydeck are the only things I really need right now. I'm likeing the Polo paddles though more than the ones I've been using out in the marina and the sea! Don't really know what the difference is, they just feel different. Thanks ever so much for your advice. I'm just asking so many people so many questions at the moment, but it's the only way to learn! Charlie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004 |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:48:38 +0100, "Charlie"
wrote: wrote in message .. . I take kids out on flat water to train 1/2/3 Star. They usually paddle Whippits or Whiplashes, not long boats, but longer than my old Riot Glide or Inazone 232. If they make any effort to paddle I can't keep up with them (different hull shape too). The Inazone 212 was reccomended to me by the shop that supplies our club kayaks. Haven't heard anything else about it, but it IS in my price range, leaving me enough change to buy a spraydeck! What did you think of it? I've seen reviews that say it's a good beginners boat but will it grow with me as I get better? Will I be able to run down Welsh rivers as well as play in the sea here? 212 is a small boat. I'm 5"7 and 12 stone. I'd be uncomfortable in a 212. I manage in a 230 and a 232 but I think a long time in anything smaller would be a problem. Although I've known a six footer to manage in a 230 all day. OTOH I've seen a Coach get out of a small boat he has played in all day and be unable to walk from the pain in his ankles... What you can do depends upon your skills and your confidence. Only you know if you can do it. snip If you get too small a boat, say, for argument's sake a Sub 6 190 (I think), you can have great fun playboating, but try river running and you may find yourself having to utilise rolling skills quite frequently. Ah, so playboats are an uh-oh for rivers? Most of the guys in our club seem to use playboats, but they're all experienced and good! not quite what I said :-) You can certainly run rivers in a small playboat, but you will be prone to flipping and doing inadvertent maneouvres. Sure is one way to learn though. My son has a Sub 6 but eschewed it for an Inazone for his 4 Star test. Ewan Scott http://101waystocookabeaver.blogspot.com |
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"Ewan Scott" wrote in message ... 212 is a small boat. I'm 5"7 and 12 stone. I'd be uncomfortable in a 212. I manage in a 230 and a 232 but I think a long time in anything smaller would be a problem. Although I've known a six footer to manage in a 230 all day. OTOH I've seen a Coach get out of a small boat he has played in all day and be unable to walk from the pain in his ankles... Ah, but I have the problems the other way - I'm 5ft nothing tall and can't reach the footrests in most boats! not quite what I said :-) You can certainly run rivers in a small playboat, but you will be prone to flipping and doing inadvertent maneouvres. Sure is one way to learn though. My son has a Sub 6 but eschewed it for an Inazone for his 4 Star test. Well, yes, certainly one way to learn! I'm not adverse to falling in, but I'd like to keep it to a minimum since I can't roll yet! Saying about falling in though, apparently I'm doing my two star next week (yay for me - haven't done my one star yet) but out on the Marina where it's all wavy and crazy! Most of the club have either done it in the pool or on a lake but I've been told "I'll cope". Hmmmmm. Charlie. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004 |
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not quite what I said :-) You can certainly run rivers in a small playboat, but you will be prone to flipping and doing inadvertent maneouvres. Sure is one way to learn though. My son has a Sub 6 but eschewed it for an Inazone for his 4 Star test. Well, yes, certainly one way to learn! I'm not adverse to falling in, but I'd like to keep it to a minimum since I can't roll yet! Saying about falling in though, apparently I'm doing my two star next week (yay for me - haven't done my one star yet) but out on the Marina where it's all wavy and crazy! Most of the club have either done it in the pool or on a lake but I've been told "I'll cope". Hmmmmm. Good luck. Piece of advice. Learn to roll as soon as you can. It makes life a whole lot easier if you can roll when you start taking the boat all the way over in High Brace and Sculling and HB on the Move. We did our Three Star and Canoe Safety In February - now just about any water seems positively warm :-) Ewan Scott http://101waystocookabeaver.blogspot.com |
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"Ewan Scott" wrote in message ... Good luck. Piece of advice. Learn to roll as soon as you can. It makes life a whole lot easier if you can roll when you start taking the boat all the way over in High Brace and Sculling and HB on the Move. Ha! It's not like I haven't been trying! I just can't seem to get the oomph to get the boat all the way over. I can get it about half way up then it falls back down! Maybe something more suited to me will be easier. Good job I like swimming really... We did our Three Star and Canoe Safety In February - now just about any water seems positively warm :-) Urgh! I really don't like the cold... something I think I will have to get used to! Charlie. Ewan Scott http://101waystocookabeaver.blogspot.com beaver? 100 ways to cook it? Interesting! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004 |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:55:18 +0100, "Charlie"
wrote: "Ewan Scott" wrote in message .. . Good luck. Piece of advice. Learn to roll as soon as you can. It makes life a whole lot easier if you can roll when you start taking the boat all the way over in High Brace and Sculling and HB on the Move. Ha! It's not like I haven't been trying! I just can't seem to get the oomph to get the boat all the way over. I can get it about half way up then it falls back down! Maybe something more suited to me will be easier. Good job I like swimming really... I'll lay odds you are being taught to do it on the right hand side of the boat. Yes? Find the surface of the water with the paddle, sweep it out and then draw it down, using a hip flick to finish things off, lying back and bringing your head up last type of thing? Yes? Alternate strategy, extend your paddle on the LEFT hand side of the boat, moving your grip down the shaft as far as you can get - but NOT going to pelata. Roll upside down, find the surface of the water and simply yank your right handdown and across your body as hard as you can. Finishing with a hip flick. If you get it right you will catch fresh air for about a second and roll over again on the other side. So prepare with a brace to stop going over again. Took me months to get the roll and then I tried it on the left and couldn't believe how simple it was. Rounder hulls are sometimes easier to roll. Squared hulls tend to roll in "steps". Just a thought. http://101waystocookabeaver.blogspot.com |
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Ewan Scott wrote in message ... (snipped) Ha! It's not like I haven't been trying! I just can't seem to get the oomph to get the boat all the way over. I can get it about half way up then it falls back down! Maybe something more suited to me will be easier. Good job I like swimming really... I'll lay odds you are being taught to do it on the right hand side of the boat. Yes? Find the surface of the water with the paddle, sweep it out and then draw it down, using a hip flick to finish things off, lying back and bringing your head up last type of thing? Yes? Alternate strategy, extend your paddle on the LEFT hand side of the boat, moving your grip down the shaft as far as you can get - but NOT going to pelata. Roll upside down, find the surface of the water and simply yank your right handdown and across your body as hard as you can. Finishing with a hip flick. If you get it right you will catch fresh air for about a second and roll over again on the other side. So prepare with a brace to stop going over again. Took me months to get the roll and then I tried it on the left and couldn't believe how simple it was. Rounder hulls are sometimes easier to roll. Squared hulls tend to roll in "steps". Just a thought. I could never come to terms with the (essential) "hip flick" - if thats an issue, think about "ramming / lifting / forcing" your knee "thro the deck" as you progress thro the roll. Following Ewan's advice above, set up with the paddle on the left, as you start the roll ram your knee hard against the deck - works for me! Keep your head down until you're "up". Personally, I found I learnt to roll with a pawlata and then just keep shortening the grip until I had a "proper" hand position for a screw/storm roll. There is a school of thought though that suggests it's best not to learn this way, as it encourages brute force rather than technique but I still favour a pawlata as my fail-safe back up when I just *have* to roll. There is even a suggestion on one of the Australian sea-kayaking sites that the pawlata should be the roll of choice for sea-paddlers - certainly in conditions where a failed roll is not an option. There's some sound advice on rolling to be found in "Kayak Rolling - the Black Art Demystified " - Collins, L - Pesda Press - ISBN 0-9531956-8-6 - www.pesdapress.com Mike. |
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Mike Buckley wrote in message ... Further thoughts - Alternate strategy, extend your paddle on the LEFT hand side of the boat, moving your grip down the shaft as far as you can get - but NOT going to pelata. Roll upside down, find the surface of the water and simply yank your right handdown and across your body as hard as you can. Finishing with a hip flick. If you get it right you will catch fresh air for about a second and roll over again on the other side. So prepare with a brace to stop going over again. Yes, but think in terms of ending up leaning *forward* as the roll finishes, not "lying back". Took me months to get the roll and then I tried it on the left and couldn't believe how simple it was. Rounder hulls are sometimes easier to roll. Squared hulls tend to roll in "steps". Just a thought. I could never come to terms with the (essential) "hip flick" - if thats an issue, think about "ramming / lifting / forcing" your knee "thro the deck" as you progress thro the roll. Following Ewan's advice above, set up with the paddle on the left, as you start the roll ram your knee hard against the deck - works for me! In this scenario, I forgot to say that it would be the *right" knee you're using. Mike. |
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Thanks for the tips, I have been trying it on both sides and I THINK I
naturally try and do it on my left! I'm going to try and borrow someone else's boat tomorrow and have a go. As much as everyone says that RPM's are great, they are defiantly not for me! Just too damn big! Anyway, it's late, I've just finished work and I'll ramble if I write any more... Charlie. "Ewan Scott" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:55:18 +0100, "Charlie" wrote: "Ewan Scott" wrote in message .. . Good luck. Piece of advice. Learn to roll as soon as you can. It makes life a whole lot easier if you can roll when you start taking the boat all the way over in High Brace and Sculling and HB on the Move. Ha! It's not like I haven't been trying! I just can't seem to get the oomph to get the boat all the way over. I can get it about half way up then it falls back down! Maybe something more suited to me will be easier. Good job I like swimming really... I'll lay odds you are being taught to do it on the right hand side of the boat. Yes? Find the surface of the water with the paddle, sweep it out and then draw it down, using a hip flick to finish things off, lying back and bringing your head up last type of thing? Yes? Alternate strategy, extend your paddle on the LEFT hand side of the boat, moving your grip down the shaft as far as you can get - but NOT going to pelata. Roll upside down, find the surface of the water and simply yank your right handdown and across your body as hard as you can. Finishing with a hip flick. If you get it right you will catch fresh air for about a second and roll over again on the other side. So prepare with a brace to stop going over again. Took me months to get the roll and then I tried it on the left and couldn't believe how simple it was. Rounder hulls are sometimes easier to roll. Squared hulls tend to roll in "steps". Just a thought. http://101waystocookabeaver.blogspot.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004 |
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Charlie wrote: "Ewan Scott" wrote in message ... Good luck. Piece of advice. Learn to roll as soon as you can. It makes life a whole lot easier if you can roll when you start taking the boat all the way over in High Brace and Sculling and HB on the Move. Ha! It's not like I haven't been trying! I just can't seem to get the oomph to get the boat all the way over. I can get it about half way up then it falls back down! Maybe something more suited to me will be easier. Good job I like swimming really... If your head comes out of the water and then you roll back down again, almost certainly you are using the roll action to bring your head out of the water (too soon) rather than turning the kayak. The head comes out of the water after the kayak has rotated back past the vertical. This is where Mike's push with the knee comes in, it starts the kayak rotating back to the surface. You can help keep your head in the water by looking at the paddle blade as you sweep it out to the side of the kayak and roll back up. The hip flick, or pushing with the knee and keeping your head down can be learnt by practising eskimo rescues. When you start to do them it is sometimes really hard to get back up, but if you experiment with the technique using a hip flick, or knee push to first rotate the kayak, you suddenly find a way of doing it that is really easy. [High brace - hasn't this proved to be a good technique for dislocating a shoulder ?. I don't normally teach a high brace because of this. Am I wrong ?.] Bill -- Dan,Rob,Bill and Celia Oldroyd. We live in Tadcaster, UK. http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/oldieshome/ |
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I could never come to terms with the (essential) "hip flick" - if thats an issue, think about "ramming / lifting / forcing" your knee "thro the deck" as you progress thro the roll. Hah! I almost never call it a hip flick - I usually say lift you right/ left knee... but I thought that using that term here would result in a flood of abuse :-) http://101waystocookabeaver.blogspot.com |
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[High brace - hasn't this proved to be a good technique for dislocating a shoulder ?. I don't normally teach a high brace because of this. Am I wrong ?.] High brace in front quarter to midship area. On the move you need to brace in the front quarter as the movement of the boat through the water will sweep the arm back. If you start midship you will end up in the rear quarter and in a potential dislocation scenario. But if we don't teach it how do people know how to use it when they need it... http://101waystocookabeaver.blogspot.com |
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Ha! It's not like I haven't been trying! I just can't seem to get the
oomph to get the boat all the way over. I can get it about half way up then it falls back down! Maybe something more suited to me will be easier. Good job I like swimming really... practice your eskimo rescue useing your hip flip this will help you in rolling. t.t.f.n david |
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Mike Buckley wrote:
Personally, I found I learnt to roll with a pawlata and then just keep shortening the grip until I had a "proper" hand position for a screw/storm roll. There is a school of thought though that suggests it's best not to learn this way, as it encourages brute force rather than technique but I still favour a pawlata as my fail-safe back up when I just *have* to roll. I learnt that way too, and I think there is an issue with the BFI. So I could see that a screw and pawlata may be best taught separately, but I certainly like the p. for my "I need to roll", and if I miss a screw I'll try again with a pawlata. With a Pawlata there's no need for brute force, or even a hip flick for that matter! (though it certainly helps) There is even a suggestion on one of the Australian sea-kayaking sites that the pawlata should be the roll of choice for sea-paddlers - certainly in conditions where a failed roll is not an option. It's one of those context things. Setting up a pawlata in surf is not something I can see being terribly clever, both in terms of time to set up and chance of success (coming up to start with, and staying up once you're there). I don't think anyone saying you ought to do a certain type of roll just because you're in the sea has thought through the variety of situations a sea paddler might be in. Though I did the groundwork in the pool, it was going surfing that got everything rather more together. Simply a case that it's not if you go over, but when, so you get lots of practice of rolling "in anger". And after quite a bit of swimming at first, you generally make the rolls. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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You might like to look at EJ's rolling amnd bracing video / DVD. Common
sense no-nonsense and from someone with twenty years of instructional experience and probably a better paddler than anyone on here! It covers mental approaches as well as physical and how to coach the roll etc...etc...etc I reckon it's great and you get a glimpse at the new river play boats from EJ whilst your at it! Beginners should learn from the highest level of coach...the BCU scheme goes at it back-to-front! "David Thompson " wrote in message ... Ha! It's not like I haven't been trying! I just can't seem to get the oomph to get the boat all the way over. I can get it about half way up then it falls back down! Maybe something more suited to me will be easier. Good job I like swimming really... practice your eskimo rescue useing your hip flip this will help you in rolling. t.t.f.n david |
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Bought a boat! Second hand I:3 - £500. It's in brilliant condition, has
been used twice on a lake and has only a few scratches. It fits me perfectly without padding too! Charlie. "Charlie" wrote in message ... Started kayaking a few months ago and am now wanting my own boat (I got the bug!). I'm a very small paddler (5ft tall and 8st) and have been scouring the net but need some questions answered. I'd wait and ask the instructor but won't be seeing him till Thurs, and well, you know, I just need to know! I've been looking at these mainly: Dagger Juice 6.9 and G Ride 6.2. Expensive, but I'm willing to save up. Worth the money? Good all-rounders? Have also just been recommended these: Necky Witch, Necky Chronic and the Liquid Trigger. I've so far been mainly picking boats I like from their shape, as I've played around in other peoples boats and am basing them on what's similar! I've been mainly using Dagger RPM's so far, but they just don't feel quite right. I'd like a boat that I'm going to grow into and now be bored of in a year. I've been told my balance is excellent, so I'm not too bothered about having a slightly unstable boat, just as long as I can control it. I also want it to be able to do allsorts. Rivers, rapids, surfing, flat water, I want it all! Now, can someone sort out some definitions for me please? Playboating? Is it surfing? That was my impression but I'm not so sure now! Keyhole deck? None of them look particularly keyhole shaped to me! Creeking and River running. Right, think that's everything until I think of something else! Please post any other thoughts you might have. Everything helps! Hoping to get this boat by September in time for the clubs annual surfing trip! Many thanks, Charlie. -- Contemporary Jewellery Design http://www.kallistos.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 29/07/2004 |
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