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Send a message to the big predators: the little fish have a place too!
On Feb 18, 4:03 pm, "donquijote1954"
wrote: T-SHIRTS TO CHANGE THE WORLD... In any case, you may have decided you had it with the stupid beast, and you've decided to give a chance to the smart and small, just like a bike or canoe. "Do not feed the dinosaur" seems like a good start. I'm OK with the sentiment, but I'm having trouble with the metaphor. SUVs and motorboats run on dead dinosaurs. They don't feed them. Good luck with your campaign. Steve |
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Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or canoe
On Feb 21, 12:24 pm, "
wrote: On Feb 18, 4:03 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: T-SHIRTS TO CHANGE THE WORLD... In any case, you may have decided you had it with the stupid beast, and you've decided to give a chance to the smart and small, just like a bike or canoe. "Do not feed the dinosaur" seems like a good start. I'm OK with the sentiment, but I'm having trouble with the metaphor. SUVs and motorboats run on dead dinosaurs. They don't feed them. Good luck with your campaign. Steve Oh, that's ANOTHER metaphor. Why would God wipe out the dinosaurs, to provide oil for his worshippers in SUVs and motorboats? Oh sure, they are fulfilling the prophecies that big is good, if you ever find one. They no doubt would have sided with Rome at its prime (not the Vatican but the Roman Empire). But what if God decides to wipe out the new dinosaurs and make room for the furry little mammals? Perhaps that would be the Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or bicycle or canoe. Then the cyclists and canoeists will lead the next revolution... For those who only listen to the preacherman, here's what the Bible says... John's gospel records that Jesus rejected the call to be their warrior king. Mounting a young donkey, he rode into Jerusalem, fulfilling the prophecy of Zephaniah: "Fear not, Daughter of Sion, your king is coming, mounted on a donkey's colt." Not a fearsome warrior, he was the humble king the prophet described. In Jerusalem he would open his arms to the poor outcasts of the world.. "At the time his disciples did not understand this..." John concludes. http://www.cptryon.org/prayer/season/palm.html |
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Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or canoe
On Feb 21, 12:11 pm, "donquijote1954"
wrote: On Feb 21, 12:24 pm, " wrote: On Feb 18, 4:03 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: T-SHIRTS TO CHANGE THE WORLD... In any case, you may have decided you had it with the stupid beast, and you've decided to give a chance to the smart and small, just like a bike or canoe. "Do not feed the dinosaur" seems like a good start. I'm OK with the sentiment, but I'm having trouble with the metaphor. SUVs and motorboats run on dead dinosaurs. They don't feed them. Good luck with your campaign. Steve Oh, that's ANOTHER metaphor. Why would God wipe out the dinosaurs, to provide oil for his worshippers in SUVs and motorboats? Oh sure, they are fulfilling the prophecies that big is good, if you ever find one. They no doubt would have sided with Rome at its prime (not the Vatican but the Roman Empire). But what if God decides to wipe out the new dinosaurs and make room for the furry little mammals? Perhaps that would be the Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or bicycle or canoe. Then the cyclists and canoeists will lead the next revolution... For those who only listen to the preacherman, here's what the Bible says... John's gospel records that Jesus rejected the call to be their warrior king. Mounting a young donkey, he rode into Jerusalem, fulfilling the prophecy of Zephaniah: "Fear not, Daughter of Sion, your king is coming, mounted on a donkey's colt." Not a fearsome warrior, he was the humble king the prophet described. In Jerusalem he would open his arms to the poor outcasts of the world.. "At the time his disciples did not understand this..." John concludes. http://www.cptryon.org/prayer/season/palm.html Seems to me the best metaphor (or maybe contrast) is Don Quixote attacking windmills that he believes to be ferocious giants. One would think that a poster called donquijote might pick up on this.... |
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Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or canoe
On Feb 21, 1:03 pm, "Moby Dick" wrote:
On Feb 21, 12:11 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: On Feb 21, 12:24 pm, " wrote: On Feb 18, 4:03 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: T-SHIRTS TO CHANGE THE WORLD... In any case, you may have decided you had it with the stupid beast, and you've decided to give a chance to the smart and small, just like a bike or canoe. "Do not feed the dinosaur" seems like a good start. I'm OK with the sentiment, but I'm having trouble with the metaphor. SUVs and motorboats run on dead dinosaurs. They don't feed them. Good luck with your campaign. Steve Oh, that's ANOTHER metaphor. Why would God wipe out the dinosaurs, to provide oil for his worshippers in SUVs and motorboats? Oh sure, they are fulfilling the prophecies that big is good, if you ever find one. They no doubt would have sided with Rome at its prime (not the Vatican but the Roman Empire). But what if God decides to wipe out the new dinosaurs and make room for the furry little mammals? Perhaps that would be the Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or bicycle or canoe. Then the cyclists and canoeists will lead the next revolution... For those who only listen to the preacherman, here's what the Bible says... John's gospel records that Jesus rejected the call to be their warrior king. Mounting a young donkey, he rode into Jerusalem, fulfilling the prophecy of Zephaniah: "Fear not, Daughter of Sion, your king is coming, mounted on a donkey's colt." Not a fearsome warrior, he was the humble king the prophet described. In Jerusalem he would open his arms to the poor outcasts of the world.. "At the time his disciples did not understand this..." John concludes. http://www.cptryon.org/prayer/season/palm.html Seems to me the best metaphor (or maybe contrast) is Don Quixote attacking windmills that he believes to be ferocious giants. One would think that a poster called donquijote might pick up on this.... See (especially the last paragraph) http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/...ageNum-12.html. |
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Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or canoe
On Feb 21, 3:11 pm, "Moby Dick" wrote:
On Feb 21, 1:03 pm, "Moby Dick" wrote: On Feb 21, 12:11 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: On Feb 21, 12:24 pm, " wrote: On Feb 18, 4:03 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: T-SHIRTS TO CHANGE THE WORLD... In any case, you may have decided you had it with the stupid beast, and you've decided to give a chance to the smart and small, just like a bike or canoe. "Do not feed the dinosaur" seems like a good start. I'm OK with the sentiment, but I'm having trouble with the metaphor. SUVs and motorboats run on dead dinosaurs. They don't feed them. Good luck with your campaign. Steve Oh, that's ANOTHER metaphor. Why would God wipe out the dinosaurs, to provide oil for his worshippers in SUVs and motorboats? Oh sure, they are fulfilling the prophecies that big is good, if you ever find one. They no doubt would have sided with Rome at its prime (not the Vatican but the Roman Empire). But what if God decides to wipe out the new dinosaurs and make room for the furry little mammals? Perhaps that would be the Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or bicycle or canoe. Then the cyclists and canoeists will lead the next revolution... For those who only listen to the preacherman, here's what the Bible says... John's gospel records that Jesus rejected the call to be their warrior king. Mounting a young donkey, he rode into Jerusalem, fulfilling the prophecy of Zephaniah: "Fear not, Daughter of Sion, your king is coming, mounted on a donkey's colt." Not a fearsome warrior, he was the humble king the prophet described. In Jerusalem he would open his arms to the poor outcasts of the world.. "At the time his disciples did not understand this..." John concludes. http://www.cptryon.org/prayer/season/palm.html Seems to me the best metaphor (or maybe contrast) is Don Quixote attacking windmills that he believes to be ferocious giants. One would think that a poster called donquijote might pick up on this.... See (especially the last paragraph)http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/...eNum-12.html.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Been there, done that... The combat with the windmill is rich in symbolism. It does not matter whether the ponderous machine stands for stultified human institutions that need attacking, or ancient traditions that must be newly questioned, or totalitarian government requiring renewal by revolution, or bureaucracy being attacked by individual demands. What matters is that only a positive act of will is capable of attacking anything, and the success or failure is unimportant. "Thy triumph, my Don Quixote," writes Unamuno, "Was ever a triumph of daring, not of succeeding." Not only is Don Quixote victorious because he dares; he is always spiritually triumphant as well. He has a stoical ability to disregard his physical failures and is willing to follow his adventures after a slight recovery. |
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I fight giants thinking I am fighting windmills
On Feb 21, 3:03 pm, "Moby Dick" wrote:
On Feb 21, 12:11 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: On Feb 21, 12:24 pm, " wrote: On Feb 18, 4:03 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: T-SHIRTS TO CHANGE THE WORLD... In any case, you may have decided you had it with the stupid beast, and you've decided to give a chance to the smart and small, just like a bike or canoe. "Do not feed the dinosaur" seems like a good start. I'm OK with the sentiment, but I'm having trouble with the metaphor. SUVs and motorboats run on dead dinosaurs. They don't feed them. Good luck with your campaign. Steve Oh, that's ANOTHER metaphor. Why would God wipe out the dinosaurs, to provide oil for his worshippers in SUVs and motorboats? Oh sure, they are fulfilling the prophecies that big is good, if you ever find one. They no doubt would have sided with Rome at its prime (not the Vatican but the Roman Empire). But what if God decides to wipe out the new dinosaurs and make room for the furry little mammals? Perhaps that would be the Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or bicycle or canoe. Then the cyclists and canoeists will lead the next revolution... For those who only listen to the preacherman, here's what the Bible says... John's gospel records that Jesus rejected the call to be their warrior king. Mounting a young donkey, he rode into Jerusalem, fulfilling the prophecy of Zephaniah: "Fear not, Daughter of Sion, your king is coming, mounted on a donkey's colt." Not a fearsome warrior, he was the humble king the prophet described. In Jerusalem he would open his arms to the poor outcasts of the world.. "At the time his disciples did not understand this..." John concludes. http://www.cptryon.org/prayer/season/palm.html Seems to me the best metaphor (or maybe contrast) is Don Quixote attacking windmills that he believes to be ferocious giants. One would think that a poster called donquijote might pick up on this....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you stand your ground before a charging motorboat, then you really fear no giants. But I do. They give me the creeps, just like when I'm on the water and I see a fin circling me. Then you realize you must meet your fate and dress like a knight... (hey, this is heavy duty stuff, like to charge at the giant corporations behind SUVs and motorboats) DON QUIXOTE VS THE WINDMILLS! When the environmental crisis worsens, how can one remain passive? Neither the Rio Earth Summit nor the Kyoto Protocol, regrettably, will do much, particularly when the worst predator refuses to participate. A big change is needed--or else. I have been long enough on this planet to witness, not the use, but the reckless abuse of resources. While the system measures "success" by the size of the vehicle and the motorboat there can be no solution. And while the system denies space for bicycles and other efficient alternatives there can be no solution. I have, however, a few earthy proposals: 1. INCREASE THE PRICE OF GASOLINE, such as in Europe and Japan. The revenue so raised could be used to IMPROVE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION*, from fast trains to the creation of BICICLE LANES along all major streets. 2. Open letters from parents to children, perhaps encouraged via the schools, in which the parents vow to specific lifestyle changes. Such letters are to be conspicuously displayed in the home. For example, it could say, "Ride bicycle to work," etc. Let's give life to our children, not a subsistence of rats. Don Quixote would have said: "Sancho, let's go for the giants!" *"A massive public works project that did not expand the deficit would help; something like a massive clean energy program or nationwide high- speed rail network financed by new taxes on pollution and fossil fuels. A more progressive tax system would help as well. Both seem inconceivable since the Bush administration wants to spend public works dollars on Mars not earth, and Congress that has just enacted tax breaks that exacerbate the wealth gap." http://www.eugenelinden.com/news280.html *** Don Quixotes of the Environment "I feel like Don Quixote, but quite the contrary," says Marina Silva. "Don Quixote fought windmills, thinking he was fighting giants. I fight giants thinking I am fighting windmills." http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et0298/et0298s6.html |
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I fight giants thinking I am fighting windmills
On Feb 21, 1:16 pm, "donquijote1954"
wrote: On Feb 21, 3:03 pm, "Moby Dick" wrote: On Feb 21, 12:11 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: On Feb 21, 12:24 pm, " wrote: On Feb 18, 4:03 pm, "donquijote1954" wrote: T-SHIRTS TO CHANGE THE WORLD... In any case, you may have decided you had it with the stupid beast, and you've decided to give a chance to the smart and small, just like a bike or canoe. "Do not feed the dinosaur" seems like a good start. I'm OK with the sentiment, but I'm having trouble with the metaphor. SUVs and motorboats run on dead dinosaurs. They don't feed them. Good luck with your campaign. Steve Oh, that's ANOTHER metaphor. Why would God wipe out the dinosaurs, to provide oil for his worshippers in SUVs and motorboats? Oh sure, they are fulfilling the prophecies that big is good, if you ever find one. They no doubt would have sided with Rome at its prime (not the Vatican but the Roman Empire). But what if God decides to wipe out the new dinosaurs and make room for the furry little mammals? Perhaps that would be the Second Coming of Jesus on a donkey --or bicycle or canoe. Then the cyclists and canoeists will lead the next revolution... For those who only listen to the preacherman, here's what the Bible says... John's gospel records that Jesus rejected the call to be their warrior king. Mounting a young donkey, he rode into Jerusalem, fulfilling the prophecy of Zephaniah: "Fear not, Daughter of Sion, your king is coming, mounted on a donkey's colt." Not a fearsome warrior, he was the humble king the prophet described. In Jerusalem he would open his arms to the poor outcasts of the world.. "At the time his disciples did not understand this..." John concludes. http://www.cptryon.org/prayer/season/palm.html Seems to me the best metaphor (or maybe contrast) is Don Quixote attacking windmills that he believes to be ferocious giants. One would think that a poster called donquijote might pick up on this....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you stand your ground before a charging motorboat, then you really fear no giants. But I do. They give me the creeps, just like when I'm on the water and I see a fin circling me. Then you realize you must meet your fate and dress like a knight... (hey, this is heavy duty stuff, like to charge at the giant corporations behind SUVs and motorboats) DON QUIXOTE VS THE WINDMILLS! When the environmental crisis worsens, how can one remain passive? Neither the Rio Earth Summit nor the Kyoto Protocol, regrettably, will do much, particularly when the worst predator refuses to participate. A big change is needed--or else. I have been long enough on this planet to witness, not the use, but the reckless abuse of resources. While the system measures "success" by the size of the vehicle and the motorboat there can be no solution. And while the system denies space for bicycles and other efficient alternatives there can be no solution. I have, however, a few earthy proposals: 1. INCREASE THE PRICE OF GASOLINE, such as in Europe and Japan. The revenue so raised could be used to IMPROVE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION*, from fast trains to the creation of BICICLE LANES along all major streets. 2. Open letters from parents to children, perhaps encouraged via the schools, in which the parents vow to specific lifestyle changes. Such letters are to be conspicuously displayed in the home. For example, it could say, "Ride bicycle to work," etc. Let's give life to our children, not a subsistence of rats. Don Quixote would have said: "Sancho, let's go for the giants!" *"A massive public works project that did not expand the deficit would help; something like a massive clean energy program or nationwide high- speed rail network financed by new taxes on pollution and fossil fuels. A more progressive tax system would help as well. Both seem inconceivable since the Bush administration wants to spend public works dollars on Mars not earth, and Congress that has just enacted tax breaks that exacerbate the wealth gap."http://www.eugenelinden.com/news280.html *** Don Quixotes of the Environment "I feel like Don Quixote, but quite the contrary," says Marina Silva. "Don Quixote fought windmills, thinking he was fighting giants. I fight giants thinking I am fighting windmills."http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et0298/et0298s6.html Good responses but I take issue with a few things. I'm not convinced the government can do better at developing alternative fuels than the competive marketplace. In fact, investors may be holding out in hopes of getting a piece of pie from the govenrment instead fo forging investments themselves. Also, I view the biggest impediments to mass transit like trains and subways as the airline and auto lobby, not the gas lobby. Oh, and our devotion to property rights isn't helping either. I've spent a lot of time in Europe. I don't think the price of gas is preventing them from pollutiong. I think they have population density advantages. When a European can afford a big car, they get one, just like Americans. That's just my experience, not a scientific study. Regarding the Kyoto protocol and the "worst predator": heck no I wouldn't join up for these either since somehow China and India are left out. On the whole those countries may be second or third world but regions are definitely some of the world's worse polluters, east China for example. Regarding public works -- FDR proved deficit spending can spur the econmy. Various presidents have used that technique again and again. Putting someone or something on Mars wilpsur technology just like putting a man on the moon did. BTW, IIIRC, Bush is spending a lot on fuel cells and clean coal. Both are good things. We should be allowing nuclear power, too. Just my opinion. Not wanting to start a fight. |
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WE THE PEOPLE
On Feb 21, 3:50 pm, "Moby Dick" wrote:
Good responses but I take issue with a few things. I'm not convinced the government can do better at developing alternative fuels than the competive marketplace. In fact, investors may be holding out in hopes of getting a piece of pie from the govenrment instead fo forging investments themselves. Also, I view the biggest impediments to mass transit like trains and subways as the airline and auto lobby, not the gas lobby. Oh, and our devotion to property rights isn't helping either. The government can do EVERYTHING if not directly, indirectly via the private market. The private market is stupid however, just GREEDY for the most part, so only the government can keep THE BEAST in check. The question is WHO keeps the government (that seems to be controlled by the beast) from doing extravagant projects (Iraq or Mars) and not the environment? Well, WE THE PEOPLE. If only we had the right issues (not gay marriage) before the elections... There are many good ideas sitting out there, but the LOW OIL PRICES don't make them competitive, and we go back to square one where nothing is done. NATURAL CAPITALISM "The book will find its audience, regardless. It is that important. The authors are setting out a boldly different framework for understanding the ecological crisis.... This perspective has something to offend nearly everyone: Business interests will choke on the apocalyptic description of the earth in crisis but may be flattered by the suggestion that they have the means to solve it. Most environmentalists agree on the vast dimensions of the threat to nature but may dismiss the authors' can-do optimism as dangerously naive. I have particular doubts of my own. Nevertheless, Natural Capitalism poses an intelligent challenge to lazy assumptions on both sides of the political divide and ought to jump-start a reinvigorated environmental debate." -William Greider http://www.natcap.org/ I've spent a lot of time in Europe. I don't think the price of gas is preventing them from pollutiong. I think they have population density advantages. When a European can afford a big car, they get one, just like Americans. That's just my experience, not a scientific study. So are many Americans too affluent too drive anything but the biggest behemoths they can lay their hands on? How about taxing gas to SUBSIDIZE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT INCLUDE THE BIKE. Yep, it's not always high tech, sometimes it's simple, like GOING BACK TO BASICS, you know. HOW ABOUT LAUNCHING A NATIOWIDE CAMPAIGN TO ENCOURAGE *SAVING*. You know the message people get from watching commercials? Yep, YOU NEED AN SUV, even if you pollute whatever is left. YOU ARE THE KING OF THE JUNGLE AND... PHUCK (?) THE WORLD. Regarding the Kyoto protocol and the "worst predator": heck no I wouldn't join up for these either since somehow China and India are left out. On the whole those countries may be second or third world but regions are definitely some of the world's worse polluters, east China for example. Well America uses 25% of resources and pollutes accordingly and it's the only major power to retire from any Kyoto commitment. We're only committed to victory in Iraq... (?) Regarding public works -- FDR proved deficit spending can spur the econmy. Various presidents have used that technique again and again. Putting someone or something on Mars wilpsur technology just like putting a man on the moon did. BTW, IIIRC, Bush is spending a lot on fuel cells and clean coal. Both are good things. We should be allowing nuclear power, too. And BIKES and SAVING too. Any real change must take into account the individual who can then ride a bike, switch to fluorescent lights, plant trees, etc, etc. The rest is BS and balloney. ECONOMIC APARTHEID? Is there a solution? Maybe. A massive public works project that did not expand the deficit would help; something like a massive clean energy program or nationwide high-speed rail network financed by new taxes on pollution and fossil fuels. A more progressive tax system would help as well. Both seem inconceivable since the Bush administration wants to spend public works dollars on Mars not earth, and Congress that has just enacted tax breaks that exacerbate the wealth gap. http://www.eugenelinden.com/news280.html Just my opinion. Not wanting to start a fight.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No fight. We follow here Jesus on the donkey --or canoe. And he was still crucified! |
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On Feb 22, 8:44 am, "donquijote1954"
wrote: On Feb 21, 3:50 pm, "Moby Dick" wrote: Good responses but I take issue with a few things. I'm not convinced the government can do better at developing alternative fuels than the competive marketplace. In fact, investors may be holding out in hopes of getting a piece of pie from the govenrment instead fo forging investments themselves. Also, I view the biggest impediments to mass transit like trains and subways as the airline and auto lobby, not the gas lobby. Oh, and our devotion to property rights isn't helping either. The government can do EVERYTHING if not directly, indirectly via the private market. The private market is stupid however, just GREEDY for the most part, so only the government can keep THE BEAST in check. The question is WHO keeps the government (that seems to be controlled by the beast) from doing extravagant projects (Iraq or Mars) and not the environment? Well, WE THE PEOPLE. If only we had the right issues (not gay marriage) before the elections... There are many good ideas sitting out there, but the LOW OIL PRICES don't make them competitive, and we go back to square one where nothing is done. NATURAL CAPITALISM "The book will find its audience, regardless. It is that important. The authors are setting out a boldly different framework for understanding the ecological crisis.... This perspective has something to offend nearly everyone: Business interests will choke on the apocalyptic description of the earth in crisis but may be flattered by the suggestion that they have the means to solve it. Most environmentalists agree on the vast dimensions of the threat to nature but may dismiss the authors' can-do optimism as dangerously naive. I have particular doubts of my own. Nevertheless, Natural Capitalism poses an intelligent challenge to lazy assumptions on both sides of the political divide and ought to jump-start a reinvigorated environmental debate." -William Greider http://www.natcap.org/ I've spent a lot of time in Europe. I don't think the price of gas is preventing them from pollutiong. I think they have population density advantages. When a European can afford a big car, they get one, just like Americans. That's just my experience, not a scientific study. So are many Americans too affluent too drive anything but the biggest behemoths they can lay their hands on? How about taxing gas to SUBSIDIZE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT INCLUDE THE BIKE. Yep, it's not always high tech, sometimes it's simple, like GOING BACK TO BASICS, you know. HOW ABOUT LAUNCHING A NATIOWIDE CAMPAIGN TO ENCOURAGE *SAVING*. You know the message people get from watching commercials? Yep, YOU NEED AN SUV, even if you pollute whatever is left. YOU ARE THE KING OF THE JUNGLE AND... PHUCK (?) THE WORLD. Regarding the Kyoto protocol and the "worst predator": heck no I wouldn't join up for these either since somehow China and India are left out. On the whole those countries may be second or third world but regions are definitely some of the world's worse polluters, east China for example. Well America uses 25% of resources and pollutes accordingly and it's the only major power to retire from any Kyoto commitment. We're only committed to victory in Iraq... (?) Regarding public works -- FDR proved deficit spending can spur the econmy. Various presidents have used that technique again and again. Putting someone or something on Mars wilpsur technology just like putting a man on the moon did. BTW, IIIRC, Bush is spending a lot on fuel cells and clean coal. Both are good things. We should be allowing nuclear power, too. And BIKES and SAVING too. Any real change must take into account the individual who can then ride a bike, switch to fluorescent lights, plant trees, etc, etc. The rest is BS and balloney. ECONOMIC APARTHEID? Is there a solution? Maybe. A massive public works project that did not expand the deficit would help; something like a massive clean energy program or nationwide high-speed rail network financed by new taxes on pollution and fossil fuels. A more progressive tax system would help as well. Both seem inconceivable since the Bush administration wants to spend public works dollars on Mars not earth, and Congress that has just enacted tax breaks that exacerbate the wealth gap. http://www.eugenelinden.com/news280.html Just my opinion. Not wanting to start a fight.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No fight. We follow here Jesus on the donkey --or canoe. And he was still crucified! We let's agree to disagree. I do not believe government should be in the social engineering business or the wealth redistribution business. I also don't beleive in progressive tax. How do you decide how progressive it should be -- so progressive that everybody makes the same? I believe in equal opportunity but no equal outcomes. I believe government is the solution of last resort, not first resort. Deficits don't matter much. Read P.J O'Rourkes new book on the Wealth of Nations. Stop griping about the Iraq war and help us win it. |
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ARE THE POOR BETTER ENVIRONMENTALISTS?
--I thought its was because we either can't afford powerboats or were
too cheap to buy one.-- Well, originally you may buy it because of that. But then you say, "Gee, I'm also doing the right thing!" (I hate motorboats, but would love to have a sailboat --and my canoe/kayak!) Which brings us to the issue, ARE THE POOR BETTER ENVIRONMENTALISTS? Well, some lions --a tiny minority-- got money and also have a small footprint. Here for example is Paul Newman and his daughter. I was reading last night how she defended having a Porsche, but only using it once a week and then use public transportation the rest of the week. Something understandable, no? The very poor though may not have the inspiration to own a small watercraft or bike for lack of education, and some, given the chance, would love to become lions. Just some thoughts about the jungle. |
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