People did, and still do, sail guide boats.

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:56:38 GMT, steveJ wrote:

Well I actually have a guideboat that I built myself.
What I meant is that it's too narrow to sail. While I have not
tried putting a sail on it, I don't think it would sail
very well. It is also just a little too wide to paddle comfortably.
I think the guide boat is close to what I'm lookng for but it is
primarily a rowing craft.Be nice to have something to face foward in.
My boat is narrower at the water line than most canoes but wider at the
gunwales, so initiial stability is less than a canoe. Also, the
freeboard is a little low to handle power boat wakes.


WG wrote:
Hi--I'm kind of suprised that you reject a guideboat as being too narrow.
The seem much "beamier" than canoes to me. I don't know how they handle big
water (large wakes) though. As per Mike McCrea's post, Kruger boats seem
extraordinary. For me, however, one of those sitting by the fire type dreams
of a boat...

Good luck
Bill
"steveJ" wrote in message
...

What would be your choice for a non motorized minimalist long distance
touring boat suitable for extended trips on large rivers? I'm not so
much interested in manufactured name brand boats as I am in TYPES of
boats suitable for this use. The following criteria should be used.
1. Light enough for one person to portage over land and car top.80lbs
2. Able to carry enough food and water and gear for one week.
I'm guessing 300 lb capacity including person.
3. Able to allow the user to lie down and sleep in the boat if
necessary.
4. Able to be paddled by one person, rowed or sailed.
5. Able to withstand large wakes from commercial vessels and pleasure
motor boats.

Here are the boats that I have seen suggested for this type of use.
All fall short in some way, some more than others.

Oldtown Discovery Type canoe (difficult for one person to handle)
Greenland style kayak (Can't be rowed or sailed easily. Limited
capacity. Can't sleep in it. Can't row or
sail it.
St Lawrence type Skiff Too large to paddle, too heavy to car top.
Adirondack Guide boat Too narrow to sail
Aleut Style Baidarka Same as Greenland Kayak
Barnegat Sneak Box too heavy to car top or portage, can't
paddle.
Are there any others? Mabey I'm asking alot to be able to paddle, row
and sail a boat. Any thoughts appreciated.
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Well, what I am coming around to is modifying the design of the
guideboat I am using now and building one that is more suitable
for sailing yet narrow enough aft to paddle without scraping the
gunnel. I've also thought of making the height of the bow and stern
lower to reduce windage while making the center freeboard slighty
higher. Possibly a lapstrake hull would make the boat drier and
compensate for the lower bow height.
The boat I have seems too narrow to sail except in very light winds.
The folbot design others mentioned might work. But to me they seem slow
due to their width at the waterline.
I'd prefer to build my own boat so the manufactured boats mentioned
might work but it would involve copying an existing boat. I'd prefer to
find a design that is in the public domain but I will probably just
design my own.
I wonder if anyone knows where to find a lines drawing of MacGreggor's
Rob-Roy canoe?

wrote:
People did, and still do, sail guide boats.

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:56:38 GMT, steveJ wrote:


Well I actually have a guideboat that I built myself.
What I meant is that it's too narrow to sail. While I have not
tried putting a sail on it, I don't think it would sail
very well. It is also just a little too wide to paddle comfortably.
I think the guide boat is close to what I'm lookng for but it is
primarily a rowing craft.Be nice to have something to face foward in.
My boat is narrower at the water line than most canoes but wider at the
gunwales, so initiial stability is less than a canoe. Also, the
freeboard is a little low to handle power boat wakes.


WG wrote:

Hi--I'm kind of suprised that you reject a guideboat as being too narrow.
The seem much "beamier" than canoes to me. I don't know how they handle big
water (large wakes) though. As per Mike McCrea's post, Kruger boats seem
extraordinary. For me, however, one of those sitting by the fire type dreams
of a boat...

Good luck
Bill
"steveJ" wrote in message
...


What would be your choice for a non motorized minimalist long distance
touring boat suitable for extended trips on large rivers? I'm not so
much interested in manufactured name brand boats as I am in TYPES of
boats suitable for this use. The following criteria should be used.
1. Light enough for one person to portage over land and car top.80lbs
2. Able to carry enough food and water and gear for one week.
I'm guessing 300 lb capacity including person.
3. Able to allow the user to lie down and sleep in the boat if
necessary.
4. Able to be paddled by one person, rowed or sailed.
5. Able to withstand large wakes from commercial vessels and pleasure
motor boats.

Here are the boats that I have seen suggested for this type of use.
All fall short in some way, some more than others.

Oldtown Discovery Type canoe (difficult for one person to handle)
Greenland style kayak (Can't be rowed or sailed easily. Limited
capacity. Can't sleep in it. Can't row or
sail it.
St Lawrence type Skiff Too large to paddle, too heavy to car top.
Adirondack Guide boat Too narrow to sail
Aleut Style Baidarka Same as Greenland Kayak
Barnegat Sneak Box too heavy to car top or portage, can't
paddle.
Are there any others? Mabey I'm asking alot to be able to paddle, row
and sail a boat. Any thoughts appreciated.
SteveJ







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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:36:18 GMT, steveJ wrote:


I wonder if anyone knows where to find a lines drawing of MacGreggor's
Rob-Roy canoe?

Lots of them on the Web. Before I gave up the idea of building my own
boat, I found tons of drawings and plans, some for RobRoys.

Sounds as if what you want won't come anywhere near being a guide boat
with all the changes, so you might as well look at lots of plans until
you find one that does suit. Try www.duckworks.com as a starting
place. They should have links (as well as some free plans) that'll
lead you to links, ad infinitum.
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I tried the Duckworks.com url but it does not seem to work.

lid wrote:
Sounds as if what you want won't come anywhere near being a guide boat
with all the changes

Well actually the changes are not all that great. Most of the below the
waterline shape would be the same with the exception of when the boat is
heeled when sailing. I mentioned lapstrake. Guideboats
were originally lapstrake but evolved to smooth planked to make the
boats quieter when hunting, not a concern to me.
The other changes would be slight, not more than 10%.
But you are right, it's not an Adirondack guide boat. I know guideboat
enthusiasts that do not consider ANY modification to orignal historic
guideboats to be guideboats. But they are purists. I am not.
I will have to come up with a name for this new type of boat that I will
design.

lid wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:36:18 GMT, steveJ wrote:



I wonder if anyone knows where to find a lines drawing of MacGreggor's
Rob-Roy canoe?


Lots of them on the Web. Before I gave up the idea of building my own
boat, I found tons of drawings and plans, some for RobRoys.

Sounds as if what you want won't come anywhere near being a guide boat
with all the changes, so you might as well look at lots of plans until
you find one that does suit. Try www.duckworks.com as a starting
place. They should have links (as well as some free plans) that'll
lead you to links, ad infinitum.