I'll have to read Timmy's book sometime

Why not just have someone drive screws through your toes?


I think his sponsonbabble is hysterical. When he was getting it on with the
folks back on Wavelength, it was like having a ringside seat at the circus.
I love it.

I agree with felsenmeer. Not enough boat and not enough experience
and training are the formula for disaster.

There is a reason why they make WW, rec and touring boats.

Read the subject line WW in a rec boat? Doesn't that answer the
question.

Felsenmeer wrote:

Volunteer! Glad to see you're not part of the canoe and kayak scam that
killed 1000 americans....


OK, I'll bite- how has the ACA instructor program killed 1000 Americans?
Let's see some good, solid, factual info...


Now I get it :-) Obviously "good, solid, factual info" will not be
forthcoming anytime soon. I'll have to read Timmy's book sometime (assuming
I can get a copy at the library so I don't have to plunk down any cash for
it...)

Then you'll probably have to buy it in E-book form, as the book is not
"published" in the traditional sense. It's just available from an E-book
website. Think about it, what publisher would invest any money in this crackpot?

--
Regards

Brian

(ckayak) wrote in news:1bd7a8d0.0308122031.59e7ec16
@posting.google.com:

I agree with felsenmeer. Not enough boat and not enough experience
and training are the formula for disaster.

If you wouldn't have removed the context it would have been obvious that
nobody was claiming that someone without experience/training should paddle a
recreational boat on whitewater.

My contention is that with a bit of experience/training and a properly
equipped boat (float bags, spray deck) and paddler (wearing a PFD and
helmet) one *can* paddle whitewater up to class II fairly safely. I also
contend that someone without experience/training paddling a whitewater boat
is just as unsafe as an inexperienced/untrained paddler in a rec boat.

There is a reason why they make WW, rec and touring boats.

To sell more kayaks?

Read the subject line WW in a rec boat? Doesn't that answer the
question.

No, it doesn't. The subject line doesn't indicate what class of whitewater
your talking about nor does it indicate how much experience the paddler has.

Categorically stating that it's unsafe to paddle whitewater (even class II
or lower) in a recreational boat implies that a whitewater boat somehow
makes a paddler safer. Boats don't make paddlers safer. Experience,
training, and common sense makes paddlers safer.

"John Fereira" wrote in message . ..
(ckayak) wrote in news:1bd7a8d0.0308122031.59e7ec16
@posting.google.com:

Categorically stating that it's unsafe to paddle whitewater (even class II
or lower) in a recreational boat implies that a whitewater boat somehow
makes a paddler safer. Boats don't make paddlers safer. Experience,
training, and common sense makes paddlers safer.


I disagree completely. Non-WW designs are much more edgy, much harder to keep upright, and much more likely to result in a swim.
They can be paddled successfully in WW but it takes experience and skill which a novice does not possess.
The original poster in this thread just didn't want to buy another hull and figured he could take his rec kayak in WW. My first
thoughts were, this guy is obviously inexperienced with WW and even if he possessed the skills to complete a WW run in a rec kayak,
who wants that headache ? It can be done but it's no fun !
Doesn't this discussion belong in the WW paddling newsgroup anyhow ?

Te Canaille