Interesting discussions
 

Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of him.
We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of him.
We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch




I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch


I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today. She
is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.


Someone needs to tap her on the shoulder and whisper in her ear, "Sarah, the
election is over. You lost."

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch

I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today. She
is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.


Someone needs to tap her on the shoulder and whisper in her ear, "Sarah, the
election is over. You lost."

Eisboch




It's worse than that, although I have to admit she is less than
gracious. I'm hopeful her brand of simple-minded "social conservatism"
is dead as a national political agenda. It might still work in the
stuperstitious south and in Tennessee and West Virginia, but I hope the
rest of the country is sick and tired of the sort of the division it
breeds. It's time for the government to get the hell out of the bedroom
and the personal lives of adults, and stay out.

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"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch

I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.


Someone needs to tap her on the shoulder and whisper in her ear, "Sarah,
the election is over. You lost."

Eisboch


It's worse than that, although I have to admit she is less than gracious.
I'm hopeful her brand of simple-minded "social conservatism" is dead as a
national political agenda. It might still work in the stuperstitious south
and in Tennessee and West Virginia, but I hope the rest of the country is
sick and tired of the sort of the division it breeds. It's time for the
government to get the hell out of the bedroom and the personal lives of
adults, and stay out.

Well, if it makes you feel better, even some of us right wing nut cases are
tired of her.
She was initially unique, added a little spark to McCain's campaign, but
quickly proved herself to be completely uninformed and unqualified. The
fact that she considers herself to be a serious contender in 2012 provides
further proof that she is truely clueless.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

Someone needs to tap her on the shoulder and whisper in her ear, "Sarah,
the election is over. You lost."

Eisboch

It's worse than that, although I have to admit she is less than gracious.
I'm hopeful her brand of simple-minded "social conservatism" is dead as a
national political agenda. It might still work in the stuperstitious south
and in Tennessee and West Virginia, but I hope the rest of the country is
sick and tired of the sort of the division it breeds. It's time for the
government to get the hell out of the bedroom and the personal lives of
adults, and stay out.

Well, if it makes you feel better, even some of us right wing nut cases are
tired of her.
She was initially unique, added a little spark to McCain's campaign, but
quickly proved herself to be completely uninformed and unqualified. The
fact that she considers herself to be a serious contender in 2012 provides
further proof that she is truely clueless.

Eisboch




I certainly hope she heads the GOP ticket in 2012 or 2016.

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"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events,
I thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead
of him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

Someone needs to tap her on the shoulder and whisper in her ear,
"Sarah, the election is over. You lost."

Eisboch

It's worse than that, although I have to admit she is less than
gracious. I'm hopeful her brand of simple-minded "social conservatism"
is dead as a national political agenda. It might still work in the
stuperstitious south and in Tennessee and West Virginia, but I hope the
rest of the country is sick and tired of the sort of the division it
breeds. It's time for the government to get the hell out of the bedroom
and the personal lives of adults, and stay out.

Well, if it makes you feel better, even some of us right wing nut cases
are tired of her.
She was initially unique, added a little spark to McCain's campaign, but
quickly proved herself to be completely uninformed and unqualified. The
fact that she considers herself to be a serious contender in 2012
provides further proof that she is truely clueless.

Eisboch


I certainly hope she heads the GOP ticket in 2012 or 2016.

I bet she disappears off the national scene.
The Republicans will have to find quality people next time around. Wonder
if that Jeb Bush from Florida might step up?

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Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events,
I thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead
of him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.
Someone needs to tap her on the shoulder and whisper in her ear,
"Sarah, the election is over. You lost."

Eisboch
It's worse than that, although I have to admit she is less than
gracious. I'm hopeful her brand of simple-minded "social conservatism"
is dead as a national political agenda. It might still work in the
stuperstitious south and in Tennessee and West Virginia, but I hope the
rest of the country is sick and tired of the sort of the division it
breeds. It's time for the government to get the hell out of the bedroom
and the personal lives of adults, and stay out.
Well, if it makes you feel better, even some of us right wing nut cases
are tired of her.
She was initially unique, added a little spark to McCain's campaign, but
quickly proved herself to be completely uninformed and unqualified. The
fact that she considers herself to be a serious contender in 2012
provides further proof that she is truely clueless.

Eisboch

I certainly hope she heads the GOP ticket in 2012 or 2016.

I bet she disappears off the national scene.
The Republicans will have to find quality people next time around. Wonder
if that Jeb Bush from Florida might step up?


Almost forgot about him. He was a good governor and a likable fellow.

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"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch

I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.


Someone needs to tap her on the shoulder and whisper in her ear, "Sarah,
the election is over. You lost."

Eisboch


It's worse than that, although I have to admit she is less than gracious.
I'm hopeful her brand of simple-minded "social conservatism" is dead as a
national political agenda. It might still work in the stuperstitious south
and in Tennessee and West Virginia, but I hope the rest of the country is
sick and tired of the sort of the division it breeds. It's time for the
government to get the hell out of the bedroom and the personal lives of
adults, and stay out.

Maybe if the taxpayers were not having to pay for a lot of those escapades
in the bedroom, we could all agree to ignore the action.

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Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events,
I thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead
of him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.
Someone needs to tap her on the shoulder and whisper in her ear,
"Sarah, the election is over. You lost."

Eisboch
It's worse than that, although I have to admit she is less than
gracious. I'm hopeful her brand of simple-minded "social conservatism"
is dead as a national political agenda. It might still work in the
stuperstitious south and in Tennessee and West Virginia, but I hope the
rest of the country is sick and tired of the sort of the division it
breeds. It's time for the government to get the hell out of the bedroom
and the personal lives of adults, and stay out.
Well, if it makes you feel better, even some of us right wing nut cases
are tired of her.
She was initially unique, added a little spark to McCain's campaign, but
quickly proved herself to be completely uninformed and unqualified. The
fact that she considers herself to be a serious contender in 2012
provides further proof that she is truely clueless.

Eisboch

I certainly hope she heads the GOP ticket in 2012 or 2016.

I bet she disappears off the national scene.
The Republicans will have to find quality people next time around. Wonder
if that Jeb Bush from Florida might step up?



Maybe...he's certainly the brighter of the Bush boys. But he seems to
have disappeared.

Palin is the heroine of the mindless evangelical base of the
GOP...they'll continue to push her candidacy.

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch

I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today. She
is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

You seem to hate women so much you should become a Muslim.

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Canuck57 wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today. She
is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

You seem to hate women so much you should become a Muslim.





Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and
just the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She
is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

You seem to hate women so much you should become a Muslim.

Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and just
the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.

Well give your fixation on Palin a break until 2012. Or are you republican
wieners and leaches already worried?

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"Jim" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:

I bet she disappears off the national scene.
The Republicans will have to find quality people next time around.
Wonder if that Jeb Bush from Florida might step up?


Almost forgot about him. He was a good governor and a likable fellow.

I remember from the few years we wintered in Florida that Jeb was very
popular and well regarded.
In fact, I really don't remember anybody, personally or in the media that
had any bad things to say about him. He was certainly on top of things when
it came to the 3 hurricanes we experienced during our time down there.

He would probably have to change his last name though, to be seriously
considered.

Eisboch

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She
is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

You seem to hate women so much you should become a Muslim.





Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and just
the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.

You may regret that statement. You may have to put up with her come 2013.
Obama could very likely be a 1 term candidate. The economic morass may even
be worse by then after the government, which is already on the hook for
about $5 trillion puts more into the mix. And like TARP, which required
oversight and Congress has still not appointed anybody to the position. I
doubt the R's will run her at the top of the ticket, but it may be anybody
the R's run will win. Just like Obama won this time on mostly the economic
meltdown, he could lose if the meltdown is still in major play.

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Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and just
the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.


You see Harry, a statement like that tells all.

We have no idea who will be running in 2012. We have no proof of how well
or badly Obama will govern. We have no idea how well or badly a Democrat
controlled Congress is going to perform. We have no idea which party or
person will be best for the situation and conditions in 2012.

With all these unknows, and 4 years away, you are already lined up to vote
Democratic.
Takes a lot of wind out of your sails with regard to your advocacy of a
particular candidate.

Eisboch

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You may regret that statement. You may have to put up with her come 2013.
Obama could very likely be a 1 term candidate. The economic morass may
even be worse by then after the government, which is already on the hook
for about $5 trillion puts more into the mix. And like TARP, which
required oversight and Congress has still not appointed anybody to the
position. I doubt the R's will run her at the top of the ticket, but it
may be anybody the R's run will win. Just like Obama won this time on
mostly the economic meltdown, he could lose if the meltdown is still in
major play.


I was ready to denounce our Democrat led Congress for not appointing the
oversight inspector as required by the TARP legislation, but in doing a
little research I discovered that the person is supposed to be first
nominated by Bush. He hasn't done that yet, and a third of the 700B has
already been spent.

Just being fair.

Eisboch

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Canuck57 wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She
is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.
You seem to hate women so much you should become a Muslim.
Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and just
the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.

Well give your fixation on Palin a break until 2012. Or are you republican
wieners and leaches already worried?




snerk

Tell you what, Canuck...ESAD.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today.
She
is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.
You seem to hate women so much you should become a Muslim.




Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and just
the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.

You may regret that statement. You may have to put up with her come 2013.


Why? Is she going to read a newspaper between now and then? You think
those "classic" tv interviews of her exhibiting her ignorance are going
to disappear from tape? You think her brand of simple-minded social
conservatism is going to have broader appeal in 2012? Is she going to
have another baby? Will her youngest daughter get pregnant?

I can only hope Palin remains "active" on the national political scene,
to remind the voters over and over and over that there is nothing
between her ears.

She's terrific.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...

Don White wrote:
I bet she disappears off the national scene.
The Republicans will have to find quality people next time around.
Wonder if that Jeb Bush from Florida might step up?


Almost forgot about him. He was a good governor and a likable fellow.

I remember from the few years we wintered in Florida that Jeb was very
popular and well regarded.
In fact, I really don't remember anybody, personally or in the media that
had any bad things to say about him. He was certainly on top of things when
it came to the 3 hurricanes we experienced during our time down there.

He would probably have to change his last name though, to be seriously
considered.

Eisboch



Jeb seems to have disappeared...

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...


Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and just
the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.


You see Harry, a statement like that tells all.

We have no idea who will be running in 2012. We have no proof of how well
or badly Obama will govern. We have no idea how well or badly a Democrat
controlled Congress is going to perform. We have no idea which party or
person will be best for the situation and conditions in 2012.

With all these unknows, and 4 years away, you are already lined up to vote
Democratic.
Takes a lot of wind out of your sails with regard to your advocacy of a
particular candidate.

Eisboch




Get back to me when the GOP candidates dump "social conservatism" and
the evangelicals. Until they do, I don't consider them fit for high
office. We've just lived through eight years of that nonsense...not again.

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and
just the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.


You see Harry, a statement like that tells all.

We have no idea who will be running in 2012. We have no proof of how
well or badly Obama will govern. We have no idea how well or badly a
Democrat controlled Congress is going to perform. We have no idea which
party or person will be best for the situation and conditions in 2012.

With all these unknows, and 4 years away, you are already lined up to
vote Democratic.
Takes a lot of wind out of your sails with regard to your advocacy of a
particular candidate.

Eisboch


Get back to me when the GOP candidates dump "social conservatism" and the
evangelicals. Until they do, I don't consider them fit for high office.
We've just lived through eight years of that nonsense...not again.


So, in other words, your "faith" in the Democratic Party is just that ....
sorta like belief in an organized religion, rather than in individual
ideals.

Ok. I understand now.

Eisboch

Eisboch

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...

Don White wrote:
I bet she disappears off the national scene.
The Republicans will have to find quality people next time around.
Wonder if that Jeb Bush from Florida might step up?


Almost forgot about him. He was a good governor and a likable fellow.

I remember from the few years we wintered in Florida that Jeb was very
popular and well regarded.
In fact, I really don't remember anybody, personally or in the media that
had any bad things to say about him. He was certainly on top of things
when it came to the 3 hurricanes we experienced during our time down
there.

He would probably have to change his last name though, to be seriously
considered.

Eisboch

Jeb seems to have disappeared...

Maybe he already changed his name.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and
just the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.

You see Harry, a statement like that tells all.

We have no idea who will be running in 2012. We have no proof of how
well or badly Obama will govern. We have no idea how well or badly a
Democrat controlled Congress is going to perform. We have no idea which
party or person will be best for the situation and conditions in 2012.

With all these unknows, and 4 years away, you are already lined up to
vote Democratic.
Takes a lot of wind out of your sails with regard to your advocacy of a
particular candidate.

Eisboch

Get back to me when the GOP candidates dump "social conservatism" and the
evangelicals. Until they do, I don't consider them fit for high office.
We've just lived through eight years of that nonsense...not again.


So, in other words, your "faith" in the Democratic Party is just that ....
sorta like belief in an organized religion, rather than in individual
ideals.

Ok. I understand now.

Eisboch

Eisboch




Nice try. My lack of faith in the GOP at the national level is partially
based upon its adherence to "social conservatism" and its dependence
upon evangelicals. There are innumerable other factors about the
"modern" GOP that are turn offs for me, and some of those are wrapped up
in what you are calling "Republican ideals." These include the
destruction of individual liberties the last eight years, the intrusion
into privacy, the opposition to abortion, the opposition to science, the
opposition to birth control, the excesses of corporations, wall street,
insurance companies, overly aggressive foreign policies, overspending on
the military, ignoring our crumbling infrastructure, and so on and so
forth, ad nauseum.

Oh yeah...the Republican governors consider Sarah Palin a leader of the
party. I would have categorized her as a national embarrassment.

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Nice try. My lack of faith in the GOP at the national level is partially
based upon its adherence to "social conservatism" and its dependence upon
evangelicals. There are innumerable other factors about the "modern" GOP
that are turn offs for me, and some of those are wrapped up in what you
are calling "Republican ideals." These include the destruction of
individual liberties the last eight years, the intrusion into privacy, the
opposition to abortion, the opposition to science, the opposition to birth
control, the excesses of corporations, wall street, insurance companies,
overly aggressive foreign policies, overspending on the military, ignoring
our crumbling infrastructure, and so on and so forth, ad nauseum.


Thanks. I thought it was good too.

Anyway, you seem to be primarily opposed to Bush and Co. and not necessarily
moderate Republicans that make the majority of the party. Good. I tend to
agree with you.

Neither party is going to have all the elements to it that 100 percent
satisfies everybody.
But, with a little bit of flexibility on your part, you could be a candidate
for conversion.


Oh yeah...the Republican governors consider Sarah Palin a leader of the
party. I would have categorized her as a national embarrassment.

Forget Sarah Palin. She's a non-event. Tell you what ... if the
Republican party nominates her for anything other than moose catcher in
2012, I'll vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Eisboch

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On Nov 14, 5:42*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and
just the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.

You see Harry, a statement like that tells all.

We have no idea who will be running in 2012. *We have no proof of how
well or badly Obama will govern. *We have no idea how well or badly a
Democrat controlled Congress is going to perform. We have no idea which
party or person will be best for the situation and conditions in 2012..

With all these unknows, and 4 years away, *you are already lined up to
vote Democratic.
Takes a lot of wind out of your sails with regard to your advocacy of a
particular candidate.

Eisboch

Get back to me when the GOP candidates dump "social conservatism" and the
evangelicals. Until they do, I don't consider them fit for high office..
We've just lived through eight years of that nonsense...not again.

So, in other words, your "faith" in the Democratic Party is just that .....
sorta like belief in an organized religion, rather than in individual
ideals.

Ok. *I understand now.

Eisboch

Eisboch

Nice try. My lack of faith in the GOP at the national level is partially
based upon its adherence to "social conservatism" and its dependence
upon evangelicals. There are innumerable other factors about the
"modern" GOP that are turn offs for me, and some of those are wrapped up
in what you are calling "Republican ideals." These include the
destruction of individual liberties the last eight years, the intrusion
into privacy, the opposition to abortion, the opposition to science, the
opposition to birth control, the excesses of corporations, wall street,
insurance companies, overly aggressive foreign policies, overspending on
the military, ignoring our crumbling infrastructure, and so on and so
forth, ad nauseum.

Oh yeah...the Republican governors consider Sarah Palin a leader of the
party. I would have categorized her as a national embarrassment.

Anything seems to be a national embarrassment to you if it isn't
Union, and Marxist.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Nice try. My lack of faith in the GOP at the national level is partially
based upon its adherence to "social conservatism" and its dependence upon
evangelicals. There are innumerable other factors about the "modern" GOP
that are turn offs for me, and some of those are wrapped up in what you
are calling "Republican ideals." These include the destruction of
individual liberties the last eight years, the intrusion into privacy, the
opposition to abortion, the opposition to science, the opposition to birth
control, the excesses of corporations, wall street, insurance companies,
overly aggressive foreign policies, overspending on the military, ignoring
our crumbling infrastructure, and so on and so forth, ad nauseum.


Thanks. I thought it was good too.

Anyway, you seem to be primarily opposed to Bush and Co. and not necessarily
moderate Republicans that make the majority of the party. Good. I tend to
agree with you.

Neither party is going to have all the elements to it that 100 percent
satisfies everybody.
But, with a little bit of flexibility on your part, you could be a candidate
for conversion.


Oh yeah...the Republican governors consider Sarah Palin a leader of the
party. I would have categorized her as a national embarrassment.

Forget Sarah Palin. She's a non-event. Tell you what ... if the
Republican party nominates her for anything other than moose catcher in
2012, I'll vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Eisboch




Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican Party.

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"Boater" wrote in message
...


Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican Party.

Why?

You are already deeply rooted in your religion.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Nice try. My lack of faith in the GOP at the national level is partially
based upon its adherence to "social conservatism" and its dependence upon
evangelicals. There are innumerable other factors about the "modern" GOP
that are turn offs for me, and some of those are wrapped up in what you
are calling "Republican ideals." These include the destruction of
individual liberties the last eight years, the intrusion into privacy, the
opposition to abortion, the opposition to science, the opposition to birth
control, the excesses of corporations, wall street, insurance companies,
overly aggressive foreign policies, overspending on the military, ignoring
our crumbling infrastructure, and so on and so forth, ad nauseum.


Thanks. I thought it was good too.

Anyway, you seem to be primarily opposed to Bush and Co. and not necessarily
moderate Republicans that make the majority of the party. Good. I tend to
agree with you.

Neither party is going to have all the elements to it that 100 percent
satisfies everybody.
But, with a little bit of flexibility on your part, you could be a candidate
for conversion.


Oh yeah...the Republican governors consider Sarah Palin a leader of the
party. I would have categorized her as a national embarrassment.

Forget Sarah Palin. She's a non-event. Tell you what ... if the
Republican party nominates her for anything other than moose catcher in
2012, I'll vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Eisboch




Forget Sarah? No way. She's going to remain a constant reminder of the
contempt in which the GOP holds the United States. :)

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican Party.

Why?

You are already deeply rooted in your religion.

Eisboch




The real answer, of course, is that there is no proof that "moderates"
make up the majority of the GOP. In fact, if you look through the state
by state returns from the last election, you'll see the pattern emerge
of who most Republican voters are...mainly older, whiter, evangelicals.
Hardly moderates.

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:53 -0500, Boater wrote:


Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.

Before this last election, there were quite a few moderate Republicans.
Unfortunately, many of them lost. The end result is the Republican Party
is now further to the right. You will probably disagree with me on this,
but I'm hoping for a strong moderate Republican rebirth. A two party
system needs two strong parties. It helps keep corruption at bay, and
the bashing about of competing ideas is an overall plus.

The religious fundies, however, can pound sand.

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wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:53 -0500, Boater wrote:


Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.

Before this last election, there were quite a few moderate Republicans.
Unfortunately, many of them lost. The end result is the Republican Party
is now further to the right. You will probably disagree with me on this,
but I'm hoping for a strong moderate Republican rebirth. A two party
system needs two strong parties. It helps keep corruption at bay, and
the bashing about of competing ideas is an overall plus.

The religious fundies, however, can pound sand.


I was about to respond to Harry, but you said it better.
This election was not typical. Too many extreme factors ... disgust with
Bush, the War and then the economic meltdown starting September 15th. Add
to them the Palin factor and it was over.

I agree that many moderate Republicans voted for Obama this time around. I
also believe that once the GOP gets reorganized, it will make a strong
comeback in future elections.

Eisboch

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On Nov 14, 6:12*am, Boater wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Canuck57 wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Not much about boats, but given the critical nature of global events, I
thought today's spirited discussions were interesting.

I know I learned a few things and even had a couple of chuckles.

Good luck to everybody. *We're gonna need it.

I even wish Obama well and hope he is ready for the challenges ahead of
him. We could have done worse.

We could have had Hillary.

Eisboch
I watched Palin's speech and suddenly aborted press conference today..
She
is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.
You seem to hate women so much you should become a Muslim.
Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and just
the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.

Well give your fixation on Palin a break until 2012. *Or are you republican
wieners and leaches already worried?

*snerk

Tell you what, Canuck...ESAD.- Hide quoted text -

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wow, what refinement and culture......

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:53 -0500, Boater wrote:


Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.
Before this last election, there were quite a few moderate Republicans.
Unfortunately, many of them lost. The end result is the Republican Party
is now further to the right. You will probably disagree with me on this,
but I'm hoping for a strong moderate Republican rebirth. A two party
system needs two strong parties. It helps keep corruption at bay, and
the bashing about of competing ideas is an overall plus.

The religious fundies, however, can pound sand.


I was about to respond to Harry, but you said it better.
This election was not typical. Too many extreme factors ... disgust with
Bush, the War and then the economic meltdown starting September 15th. Add
to them the Palin factor and it was over.

I agree that many moderate Republicans voted for Obama this time around. I
also believe that once the GOP gets reorganized, it will make a strong
comeback in future elections.

Eisboch




Reorganized as what, and by whom?

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:17:53 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


I agree that many moderate Republicans voted for Obama this time around.
I also believe that once the GOP gets reorganized, it will make a
strong comeback in future elections.

Honestly, it depends on how the Republican Party responds. If it moves
to the right, as some suggest it should, it will become a regional party
until it sees the light. This country is governed from the center. It's
the nature of a two party system.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...


Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and just
the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.


You see Harry, a statement like that tells all.

We have no idea who will be running in 2012. We have no proof of how well
or badly Obama will govern. We have no idea how well or badly a Democrat
controlled Congress is going to perform. We have no idea which party or
person will be best for the situation and conditions in 2012.

With all these unknows, and 4 years away, you are already lined up to vote
Democratic.
Takes a lot of wind out of your sails with regard to your advocacy of a
particular candidate.

Eisboch



It makes life a lot easier for him. Vote strictly democratic. No
thinking, judgment or common sense required.

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Jim wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...


Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and
just the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.


You see Harry, a statement like that tells all.

We have no idea who will be running in 2012. We have no proof of how
well or badly Obama will govern. We have no idea how well or badly a
Democrat controlled Congress is going to perform. We have no idea
which party or person will be best for the situation and conditions in
2012.

With all these unknows, and 4 years away, you are already lined up to
vote Democratic.
Takes a lot of wind out of your sails with regard to your advocacy of
a particular candidate.

Eisboch


It makes life a lot easier for him. Vote strictly democratic. No
thinking, judgment or common sense required.


Indeed, in the last 12 years, the choices the GOP offered up included
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, and John
McCain and Sarah Palin.

No thinking or judgment was required to turn down those choices.
Instinct and my gut told me they were wrong for America. I was spot on
with turning down Bush and Cheney. America agreed with me on turning
down McCain and Palin.

Silly me...I didn't vote for the idiot Bush and the thug Cheney, and I
didn't vote for No Judgment McCain or JesusFreak Palin.

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Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.

Why?

You are already deeply rooted in your religion.

Eisboch



The real answer, of course, is that there is no proof that "moderates"
make up the majority of the GOP. In fact, if you look through the state
by state returns from the last election, you'll see the pattern emerge
of who most Republican voters are...mainly older, whiter, evangelicals.
Hardly moderates.

More racist bigoted remarks from krause. That's a doozie. I'll have to
save this comment for later.

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Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.

Why?

You are already deeply rooted in your religion.

Eisboch



The real answer, of course, is that there is no proof that "moderates"
make up the majority of the GOP. In fact, if you look through the
state by state returns from the last election, you'll see the pattern
emerge of who most Republican voters are...mainly older, whiter,
evangelicals. Hardly moderates.

More racist bigoted remarks from krause. That's a doozie. I'll have to
save this comment for later.


D'oh...there have been several national surveys of those who voted last
week, and you know what? My description is spot-on. Nothing racist in my
remark. Nothing bigoted, either. Just reality.

Hey...aren't you an older, whiter, evangelical? Didn't you vote for
McCain-Palin?

Case closed.