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O's 50 Billion Plan
So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Yes, it Whoooooooosh right over you. |
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On Nov 13, 12:09*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. *Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. * Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. * Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Yes, it Whoooooooosh right over you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. |
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On Nov 13, 12:17*pm, wrote:
On Nov 13, 12:09*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. *Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. * Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. * Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Yes, it Whoooooooosh right over you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hell, I'm still trying to find out about this temporary manufacturing facility the union workers had to be able to accurately bend stainless steel, weld it, treat it, etc. on site!!! He also said they didn't use butt welds, so I'd like to know what kind of weld they did use. Can't wait to see the pictures he said he'd post! Now, I'll bet it'll be of the finished stairs....not the manufacturing of said stairs, if ANY little bit of it is the truth!! |
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Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Unions, a just a powerful special interest group. Better funded than and listened to more often than most of the K street lobbying firms. |
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On Nov 13, 8:54*pm, BAR wrote:
Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. *Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. * Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. * Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Unions, a just a powerful special interest group. Better funded than and listened to more often than most of the K street lobbying firms.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Union protection is just glorified welfare for those who don't want to work. of people like Harry who wouldn't know how. Working for a union, on the working end of the table, I saw it all the time. The union going to bat for lazy bitches who wreren't worth 2 dollars an hour. And before our resident asshole says anything, I was the smallest guy in the shop of over 350 men, and never had a week where I was not in the top ten percent of production. BTW, the union hated guys like me, used to come to some of us and "ask" us to slow down to spare the bums having to do a days work, for a days pay... |
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BAR wrote:
Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Unions, a just a powerful special interest group. Better funded than and listened to more often than most of the K street lobbying firms. I wish that were so. |
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On Nov 13, 9:45*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote: On Nov 13, 8:54 pm, BAR wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. *Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. * Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. * Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Unions, a just a powerful special interest group. Better funded than and listened to more often than most of the K street lobbying firms.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Union protection is just glorified welfare for those who don't want to work. of people like Harry who wouldn't know how. Working for a union, on the working end of the table, I saw it all the time. The union going to bat for lazy bitches who wreren't worth 2 dollars an hour. And before our resident asshole says anything, I was the smallest guy in the shop of over 350 men, and never had a week where I was not in the top ten percent of production. BTW, the union hated guys like me, used to come to some of us and "ask" us to slow down to spare the bums having to do a days work, for a days pay... Bull****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - **** you, I don't lie here, you do.. |
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On Nov 13, 10:11*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote: On Nov 13, 9:45 pm, Boater wrote: wrote: On Nov 13, 8:54 pm, BAR wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. *Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. * Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. * Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Unions, a just a powerful special interest group. Better funded than and listened to more often than most of the K street lobbying firms.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Union protection is just glorified welfare for those who don't want to work. of people like Harry who wouldn't know how. Working for a union, on the working end of the table, I saw it all the time. The union going to bat for lazy bitches who wreren't worth 2 dollars an hour. And before our resident asshole says anything, I was the smallest guy in the shop of over 350 men, and never had a week where I was not in the top ten percent of production. BTW, the union hated guys like me, used to come to some of us and "ask" us to slow down to spare the bums having to do a days work, for a days pay... Bull****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - **** you, I don't lie here, you do.. Accusing any neighbors of crimes lately and then denying you did? I'm sure you are just the kind of rat who sells out your fellow workers to suck up to management and management, of course, disposes of suckers like you as easily as someone with a cold disposes of a Kleenex.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Uh, you are being dishonest again.... but you know that already.. |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Unions, a just a powerful special interest group. Better funded than and listened to more often than most of the K street lobbying firms. Heard on the radio today $100,000,000 was contributed to Democrat politicians this election cycle. $10,000,000 to Republicans. Payback time. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. So do those who attempt a rational debate with him. But, they persist in doing so. Maybe it's just for the laughs at his stupidity. I hope so. John, just for the record, I am personally getting tired of reading your comments on who I or anyone else should converse or "debate" with. It's really none of your business. Eisboch |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer. Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message. You're being phased out. Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older group tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves. What they don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching and sharing that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their value's worth and benefit many, many times. Eisboch |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Unions, a just a powerful special interest group. Better funded than and listened to more often than most of the K street lobbying firms. Heard on the radio today $100,000,000 was contributed to Democrat politicians this election cycle. $10,000,000 to Republicans. Payback time. I sure hope so. |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: Heard on the radio today $100,000,000 was contributed to Democrat politicians this election cycle. $10,000,000 to Republicans. Payback time. I sure hope so. I think this election cycle is going to prove to be even more interesting as the next 2 or 3 years unfold. I am going to go out on a limb here and make a prediction. Please note this is not based on personal political beliefs or bias. It is based simply on history and my amateur observation of human nature. I predict: 2010 off year elections will result in the GOP recapturing many of the seats lost in Congress, possibily regaining a majority. 2012 elections will boot Obama out and elect a Republican. Harry will convert to a Republ..... no forget that one. Let's see if I am correct. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: Heard on the radio today $100,000,000 was contributed to Democrat politicians this election cycle. $10,000,000 to Republicans. Payback time. I sure hope so. I think this election cycle is going to prove to be even more interesting as the next 2 or 3 years unfold. I am going to go out on a limb here and make a prediction. Please note this is not based on personal political beliefs or bias. It is based simply on history and my amateur observation of human nature. I predict: 2010 off year elections will result in the GOP recapturing many of the seats lost in Congress, possibily regaining a majority. 2012 elections will boot Obama out and elect a Republican. Harry will convert to a Republ..... no forget that one. Let's see if I am correct. Eisboch Obama is going to be very busy the next few years cleaning out the messes left behind by Bush and the Republicans. Hopefully he will constantly refer to those messes in those terms...Republican-created messes. I think the public will get it. I'm hoping for lots of indictments of former Republican officials. Lots of indictments. Maybe Bush will issue a few thousand blanket pardons, eh? |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... I'm hoping for lots of indictments of former Republican officials. Lots of indictments. Maybe Bush will issue a few thousand blanket pardons, eh? Can't think of a reason why he should be any different than Clinton. If you recall, ol' Bill burned the midnight oil issuing pardons the night before he moved out. Oh .... but then they had to drop by later and return the silverware. Eisboch |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 13, 12:09 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Yes, it Whoooooooosh right over you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. So do those who attempt a rational debate with him. But, they persist in doing so. Maybe it's just for the laughs at his stupidity. I hope so. -- Johnny... when will you get it through your thick head that not all posters are members of your Drone Army. Some like to think for themselves. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message ... Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer. Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message. You're being phased out. Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older group tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves. What they don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching and sharing that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their value's worth and benefit many, many times. Eisboch Like we always used to say at work......what would happen if so & so was hit by a bus? You should have someone below you ready to step up if needed. |
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Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 13, 12:09 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Yes, it Whoooooooosh right over you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. So do those who attempt a rational debate with him. But, they persist in doing so. Maybe it's just for the laughs at his stupidity. I hope so. -- Johnny... when will you get it through your thick head that not all posters are members of your Drone Army. Some like to think for themselves. When are you going to start thinking for yourself Donnie? |
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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message ... Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer. Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message. You're being phased out. Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older group tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves. What they don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching and sharing that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their value's worth and benefit many, many times. Eisboch Like we always used to say at work......what would happen if so & so was hit by a bus? You should have someone below you ready to step up if needed. Everything I do is documented and placed in a "public location." But, sometimes issues come up that need some creative thinking or are more easily solved based upon experience. A guy 25 years old doesn't have 25 years of experience in my field. |
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Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 13, 12:09 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Yes, it Whoooooooosh right over you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. So do those who attempt a rational debate with him. But, they persist in doing so. Maybe it's just for the laughs at his stupidity. I hope so. -- Johnny... when will you get it through your thick head that not all posters are members of your Drone Army. Some like to think for themselves. It takes all kinds. Some folks get hitched in behind a rabid lead dog. Follow his lead and sniff his gas. Know anyone like that, Donnie? |
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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message ... Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer. Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message. You're being phased out. Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older group tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves. What they don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching and sharing that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their value's worth and benefit many, many times. Eisboch Like we always used to say at work......what would happen if so & so was hit by a bus? You should have someone below you ready to step up if needed. You always used to say that? What a hoot it must have been to work with you. |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... But, sometimes issues come up that need some creative thinking or are more easily solved based upon experience. A guy 25 years old doesn't have 25 years of experience in my field. So how does the 25 year old get experience in creative thinking? How did you become experienced in creative thinking? I know .... it's hard, but the results and rewards are much greater by developing depth. Eisboch |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 13, 12:09 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Yes, it Whoooooooosh right over you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. So do those who attempt a rational debate with him. But, they persist in doing so. Maybe it's just for the laughs at his stupidity. I hope so. -- Johnny... when will you get it through your thick head that not all posters are members of your Drone Army. Some like to think for themselves. It takes all kinds. Some folks get hitched in behind a rabid lead dog. Follow his lead and sniff his gas. Know anyone like that, Donnie? Hee hee...looks like I flushed out a couple of them dar Drone Army irregulars. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... But, sometimes issues come up that need some creative thinking or are more easily solved based upon experience. A guy 25 years old doesn't have 25 years of experience in my field. So how does the 25 year old get experience in creative thinking? How did you become experienced in creative thinking? I know .... it's hard, but the results and rewards are much greater by developing depth. Sometimes the pressure, from above, to get it done doesn't allow for the 25 year old think or be "guided" through the process towards resolution. Telling the boss to back off and let me teach when the customer is breathing down his neck isn't received well. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... But, sometimes issues come up that need some creative thinking or are more easily solved based upon experience. A guy 25 years old doesn't have 25 years of experience in my field. So how does the 25 year old get experience in creative thinking? How did you become experienced in creative thinking? I know .... it's hard, but the results and rewards are much greater by developing depth. Eisboch BAR exhibits no creative thinking here. |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:45:55 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. So do those who attempt a rational debate with him. But, they persist in doing so. Maybe it's just for the laughs at his stupidity. I hope so. John, just for the record, I am personally getting tired of reading your comments on who I or anyone else should converse or "debate" with. It's really none of your business. Eisboch First, I am surprised you took that comment so personally. If you think your 'debating' with Harry is a good thing, then we see things differently. I thought you were doing it for the laughs he provides, not the debating exercise. I am personally getting tired of Krause's bull****, which you and others seem to facilitate. -- A Harry Krause truism: "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" |
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JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:45:55 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. So do those who attempt a rational debate with him. But, they persist in doing so. Maybe it's just for the laughs at his stupidity. I hope so. John, just for the record, I am personally getting tired of reading your comments on who I or anyone else should converse or "debate" with. It's really none of your business. Eisboch First, I am surprised you took that comment so personally. If you think your 'debating' with Harry is a good thing, then we see things differently. I thought you were doing it for the laughs he provides, not the debating exercise. I am personally getting tired of Krause's bull****, which you and others seem to facilitate. snerk |
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Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 13, 12:09 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Yes, it Whoooooooosh right over you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. So do those who attempt a rational debate with him. But, they persist in doing so. Maybe it's just for the laughs at his stupidity. I hope so. -- Johnny... when will you get it through your thick head that not all posters are members of your Drone Army. Some like to think for themselves. And then there is you. What else did WAFA tell you to post? |
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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message ... Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer. Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message. You're being phased out. Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older group tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves. What they don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching and sharing that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their value's worth and benefit many, many times. Eisboch Like we always used to say at work......what would happen if so & so was hit by a bus? You should have someone below you ready to step up if needed. That's deep. Now go take your nap. You earned it! |
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Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 13, 12:09 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a while. Here's a quoted passage from the article: "If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy." Here's what I don't understand. To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a much smaller percentage. So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce? What about the millions of people working in non-union small businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work for in business? Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration? Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan? Eisboch Whoooooooosh. Yes, it Whoooooooosh right over you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it didn't, he just won't address facts or debate in an intellectually honest manner.. You know that.. So do those who attempt a rational debate with him. But, they persist in doing so. Maybe it's just for the laughs at his stupidity. I hope so. -- Johnny... when will you get it through your thick head that not all posters are members of your Drone Army. Some like to think for themselves. It takes all kinds. Some folks get hitched in behind a rabid lead dog. Follow his lead and sniff his gas. Know anyone like that, Donnie? Hee hee...looks like I flushed out a couple of them dar Drone Army irregulars. So now you're trolling? Do you think *anyone* believes that? This should be a lesson for you - STFU. |
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