Dems owe me
 

Got my financial reports on my investments today, lost nearly $85,000.
I have always been fiscally responsible, never carry any cc balance,
live within my means, save for retirement, dont own an expensive
house, etc.
So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy. DEMS OWE ME BIG MONEY. I figure I have paid
my share of the national debt, Dems can all pay the rest. If you
voted Dem, you pay. The market isnt coming back any time soon because
nobody in their right mind would invest knowing the crooks now control
the economy. I dun paid my part of the debt, so if you voted Dem, pay
up cuz YOU caused the problem.

Dems owe me
 

Dems owe me
 

wrote in message
...
Got my financial reports on my investments today, lost nearly $85,000.
I have always been fiscally responsible, never carry any cc balance,
live within my means, save for retirement, dont own an expensive
house, etc.
So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy. DEMS OWE ME BIG MONEY. I figure I have paid
my share of the national debt, Dems can all pay the rest. If you
voted Dem, you pay. The market isnt coming back any time soon because
nobody in their right mind would invest knowing the crooks now control
the economy. I dun paid my part of the debt, so if you voted Dem, pay
up cuz YOU caused the problem.

I wish it was only 85K.

Dems owe me
 

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

Cash dude - been saying that for years - in fact, since 2004.

Haven't lost a thing because I recognized the bubble and kept my
powder dry.

Another couple of months, I'm ready to get back in.

Dems owe me
 

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:58:20 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
Got my financial reports on my investments today, lost nearly $85,000.
I have always been fiscally responsible, never carry any cc balance,
live within my means, save for retirement, dont own an expensive
house, etc.
So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy. DEMS OWE ME BIG MONEY. I figure I have paid
my share of the national debt, Dems can all pay the rest. If you
voted Dem, you pay. The market isnt coming back any time soon because
nobody in their right mind would invest knowing the crooks now control
the economy. I dun paid my part of the debt, so if you voted Dem, pay
up cuz YOU caused the problem.

I feel your pain.

No pain, no gain. :)

Dems owe me
 

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:30:46 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
Got my financial reports on my investments today, lost nearly $85,000.
I have always been fiscally responsible, never carry any cc balance,
live within my means, save for retirement, dont own an expensive
house, etc.
So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy. DEMS OWE ME BIG MONEY. I figure I have paid
my share of the national debt, Dems can all pay the rest. If you
voted Dem, you pay. The market isnt coming back any time soon because
nobody in their right mind would invest knowing the crooks now control
the economy. I dun paid my part of the debt, so if you voted Dem, pay
up cuz YOU caused the problem.

I wish it was only 85K.

Back when CDOs were all the rage, the guy who handles our accounts
sent me a prospectus on a CDO he was organizing for some of his local
clients. I looked through the document - 32 pages long, full of
lawyer speak, blah, blah, blah, but I liked the whole concept of
spreading the risk around and what not. I was a little bothered about
the whole sub-prime thing as I couldn't understand how spreading the
risk kept people with no skin in the game, no document mortgages,
etc., was a good bet even with spreading the risk around.

But hey - he's a numbers guy (different kind of numbers), so we talked
it over and put a small number into the security along with a few
other folks. And it did pretty well, but I was still suspicious
because I just couldn't wrap my mind around the whole concept of
something for nothing with no chicks for free.

A month later, he sends me another prospectus - CDO squared - this
sucker is 276 pages long and complex as all hell. I looked it over
until my eyes crossed and took a pass - told him I'd wait to see how
the original investment worked out before jumping in.

Then I saw the CDO cubed which was 730 pages long and promptly sold
our interest in the original CDO at cost - I knew this was going to
blow up and it did.

TANSTAAFL dude. :)

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.


He hasn't "lost" anything unless he bailed.
Better to sit it out.

Eisboch

Dems owe me
 

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:27:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

He hasn't "lost" anything unless he bailed.
Better to sit it out.

Good point.

And I apologize for the stupid comment.

Uncalled for.

Dems owe me
 

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

Cash dude - been saying that for years - in fact, since 2004.

Haven't lost a thing because I recognized the bubble and kept my
powder dry.

Another couple of months, I'm ready to get back in.
Except the 2% LOST to inflation every year. or about 100/1000 over the
four years. With the twit going to be in the White House expect that
to double hopefully not the double digit inflation during the Carter years.

Dems owe me
 

On Nov 5, 9:34*pm, wrote:
Got my financial reports on my investments today, lost nearly $85,000.
I have always been fiscally responsible, never carry any cc balance,
live within my means, save for retirement, dont own an expensive
house, etc.
So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy. *DEMS OWE ME BIG MONEY. *I figure I have paid
my share of the national debt, Dems can all pay the rest. *If you
voted Dem, you pay. *The market isnt coming back any time soon because
nobody in their right mind would invest knowing the crooks now control
the economy. *I dun paid my part of the debt, so if you voted Dem, pay
up cuz YOU caused the problem.

Hold up! What about the Republican mantra of don't interfere with my
possessions? Just how did the "dems" control your finances? You could
do anything you wanted with the money. Just because you chose to risk
it for a higher yield isn't anyone's fault but yours.

Dems owe me
 

On Nov 6, 6:02*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

Cash dude - been saying that for years - in fact, since 2004.

Haven't lost a thing because I recognized the bubble and kept my
powder dry.

Another couple of months, I'm ready to get back in.

Amen, brother!

Dems owe me
 

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:58:20 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
Got my financial reports on my investments today, lost nearly $85,000.
I have always been fiscally responsible, never carry any cc balance,
live within my means, save for retirement, dont own an expensive
house, etc.
So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy. DEMS OWE ME BIG MONEY. I figure I have paid
my share of the national debt, Dems can all pay the rest. If you
voted Dem, you pay. The market isnt coming back any time soon because
nobody in their right mind would invest knowing the crooks now control
the economy. I dun paid my part of the debt, so if you voted Dem, pay
up cuz YOU caused the problem.
I feel your pain.

No pain, no gain. :)
Not worried about gain just yet. Recovered over 20k the past 7 days.
That's a start.

Dems owe me
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
Got my financial reports on my investments today, lost nearly $85,000.
I have always been fiscally responsible, never carry any cc balance,
live within my means, save for retirement, dont own an expensive
house, etc.
So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy. DEMS OWE ME BIG MONEY. I figure I have paid
my share of the national debt, Dems can all pay the rest. If you
voted Dem, you pay. The market isnt coming back any time soon because
nobody in their right mind would invest knowing the crooks now control
the economy. I dun paid my part of the debt, so if you voted Dem, pay
up cuz YOU caused the problem.

I wish it was only 85K.

Ditto. This sucks.

Dems owe me
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.


He hasn't "lost" anything unless he bailed.
Better to sit it out.

Eisboch

Only to a point. Last April I bailed off the US markets but keep to much in
the foreign markets. I had the right idea, but underestimated the depth of
this one. Still, not hurting as bad as many.

I don't see a domestic buying opportunity, I suspect this depression of
stocks is going to be with us for some time to come.

Dems owe me
 

"Keith nuttle" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

Cash dude - been saying that for years - in fact, since 2004.

Haven't lost a thing because I recognized the bubble and kept my
powder dry.

Another couple of months, I'm ready to get back in.
Except the 2% LOST to inflation every year. or about 100/1000 over the
four years. With the twit going to be in the White House expect that to
double hopefully not the double digit inflation during the Carter years.

Good point, as I am at about 2005 valuations, at least I got more than 1%
return using Jan 2005 as a base. And in the bank, you might not get your
money. The last place to put it is the bank, find a brokerage account where
the broker does not do loans, mortgages and the like.

Dems owe me
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:58:20 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
Got my financial reports on my investments today, lost nearly $85,000.
I have always been fiscally responsible, never carry any cc balance,
live within my means, save for retirement, dont own an expensive
house, etc.
So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy. DEMS OWE ME BIG MONEY. I figure I have paid
my share of the national debt, Dems can all pay the rest. If you
voted Dem, you pay. The market isnt coming back any time soon because
nobody in their right mind would invest knowing the crooks now control
the economy. I dun paid my part of the debt, so if you voted Dem, pay
up cuz YOU caused the problem.
I feel your pain.

No pain, no gain. :)
Not worried about gain just yet. Recovered over 20k the past 7 days.
That's a start.

My foreign holdings are up. US Domestic is shot to hell.

Dems owe me
 

Canuck57 wrote:
"Keith nuttle" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy
No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

Cash dude - been saying that for years - in fact, since 2004.

Haven't lost a thing because I recognized the bubble and kept my
powder dry.

Another couple of months, I'm ready to get back in.
Except the 2% LOST to inflation every year. or about 100/1000 over the
four years. With the twit going to be in the White House expect that to
double hopefully not the double digit inflation during the Carter years.

Good point, as I am at about 2005 valuations, at least I got more than 1%
return using Jan 2005 as a base. And in the bank, you might not get your
money. The last place to put it is the bank, find a brokerage account where
the broker does not do loans, mortgages and the like.


Please explain. I think you got it backwards.

Dems owe me
 

wrote in message
...
On Nov 5, 9:34 pm, wrote:
Got my financial reports on my investments today, lost nearly $85,000.
I have always been fiscally responsible, never carry any cc balance,
live within my means, save for retirement, dont own an expensive
house, etc.
So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy. DEMS OWE ME BIG MONEY. I figure I have paid
my share of the national debt, Dems can all pay the rest. If you
voted Dem, you pay. The market isnt coming back any time soon because
nobody in their right mind would invest knowing the crooks now control
the economy. I dun paid my part of the debt, so if you voted Dem, pay
up cuz YOU caused the problem.

Hold up! What about the Republican mantra of don't interfere with my
possessions? Just how did the "dems" control your finances? You could
do anything you wanted with the money. Just because you chose to risk
it for a higher yield isn't anyone's fault but yours.
----
Everyone is entitled to their own

I privately manage my own portfolio and in any 2 year cycle (except for
2008) I have beat bank returns by at least twice the amount, often 5 times!
Over time that adds up nice. But I don't own a single bond or mutual fund.
Been this way for over 15 years. 2004/2005 was obscene, I make far more
than was lost in this year. And I don't subscribe to buy and hold. The
longest stock I have is just 4 years old.

Mutual funds and large investment houses are at a disadvantage, they can't
get in, do the high and dump as I can. Often I only trade 1000 shares, but
they need to do a million or more. I call it the small investors hands on
advantage.

Heavy in cash right now, have been since April but have bought about 5
recently. One is down 5%, 2 went sideways and 2 put on 25% so far. At
least one I am going to sell as it is ultra short term.

Dems owe me
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.


He hasn't "lost" anything unless he bailed.
Better to sit it out.

Eisboch

Only to a point. Last April I bailed off the US markets but keep to much
in the foreign markets. I had the right idea, but underestimated the
depth of this one. Still, not hurting as bad as many.

I don't see a domestic buying opportunity, I suspect this depression of
stocks is going to be with us for some time to come.


You might want to read this:

http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/arti...einvest/118916

Eisboch

Dems owe me
 

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500, wrote:


Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it
didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican
messes.

Getting in your excuses early?

Stick with what's on your pedo mind.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Dems owe me
 

On Nov 6, 9:30 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message

...





"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:ofj5h41uc5ji8khccpgaa15ti22hkli31t@4ax .com...

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

He hasn't "lost" anything unless he bailed.
Better to sit it out.

Eisboch

Only to a point. Last April I bailed off the US markets but keep to much
in the foreign markets. I had the right idea, but underestimated the
depth of this one. Still, not hurting as bad as many.

I don't see a domestic buying opportunity, I suspect this depression of
stocks is going to be with us for some time to come.

You might want to read this:

http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/arti...einvest/118916

Eisboch

I do not expect the real value of the market to significantly increase
in the next 4 years because the crooks who caused the problem are now
firmly entrenched in congress and nobody in their right mind would
invest in mutual funds, etc under that condition. Specific stocks may
go up but funds that are arranged to minimize risk will not.
Furthermore, I have realized that a traditional IRA is not a good deal
for me because I expect to still be working at age 70 and to still be
in a high tax bracket so there is no tax savings at all.

Dems owe me
 

Dems owe me
 

Dems owe me
 

wrote in message
...



You snipped a lot of what I wrote because you know its the truth, and
your position is unsupportable.

Here is my post again in its entirety:


When the last Democratic President took office there was what was
considered an insurmountable deficit. Wghen he left office, eight
years later, he handed over a country that had a surplus, to a
Republican President. What';s the current deficit or surplus after 8
years of Republicans? Don't worry, the Democrats will fix your massive
screw ups AGAIN. Just bear in muind that they cant fix yuoru 8 years
of hard work in the wrong direction, overnight. We may need to
maintain Democratic control for the next 30 years or so to make sure
you don't go stupid on us again.

Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it
didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican
messes. We might be in a much better position in so many areas that
they can't even get to.

We'd probably still be the world leader in manufacturing, and be
admired and respected around the world.

Toyota would being trying to emulate Chrysler, and Michigan would be
swamped with work and not enough workers to fill all the positions.




I no longer participate in political discussions. If I did, I would
probably suggest that most financial experts
consider Clinton's "balanced budget" to be nothing more than the result of
some v e rrrrr y creative accounting.

The deficit actually increased. Spending per the budget *was* getting under
better control, but Clinton really can't take the credit, although he still
tries to this day. You can actually thank Ronald Regan and a Republican
controlled Congress, as hard as that may be for some to accept.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6107

But, it doesn't matter because I don't get involved in political
discussions.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...


You snipped a lot of what I wrote because you know its the truth, and
your position is unsupportable.

Here is my post again in its entirety:


When the last Democratic President took office there was what was
considered an insurmountable deficit. Wghen he left office, eight
years later, he handed over a country that had a surplus, to a
Republican President. What';s the current deficit or surplus after 8
years of Republicans? Don't worry, the Democrats will fix your massive
screw ups AGAIN. Just bear in muind that they cant fix yuoru 8 years
of hard work in the wrong direction, overnight. We may need to
maintain Democratic control for the next 30 years or so to make sure
you don't go stupid on us again.

Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it
didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican
messes. We might be in a much better position in so many areas that
they can't even get to.

We'd probably still be the world leader in manufacturing, and be
admired and respected around the world.

Toyota would being trying to emulate Chrysler, and Michigan would be
swamped with work and not enough workers to fill all the positions.



I no longer participate in political discussions. If I did, I would
probably suggest that most financial experts
consider Clinton's "balanced budget" to be nothing more than the result of
some v e rrrrr y creative accounting.

The deficit actually increased. Spending per the budget *was* getting under
better control, but Clinton really can't take the credit, although he still
tries to this day. You can actually thank Ronald Regan and a Republican
controlled Congress, as hard as that may be for some to accept.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6107

But, it doesn't matter because I don't get involved in political
discussions.

Eisboch


You show such great restraint. ;-)

Dems owe me
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...


You snipped a lot of what I wrote because you know its the truth, and
your position is unsupportable.

Here is my post again in its entirety:


When the last Democratic President took office there was what was
considered an insurmountable deficit. Wghen he left office, eight
years later, he handed over a country that had a surplus, to a
Republican President. What';s the current deficit or surplus after 8
years of Republicans? Don't worry, the Democrats will fix your massive
screw ups AGAIN. Just bear in muind that they cant fix yuoru 8 years
of hard work in the wrong direction, overnight. We may need to
maintain Democratic control for the next 30 years or so to make sure
you don't go stupid on us again.

Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it
didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican
messes. We might be in a much better position in so many areas that
they can't even get to.

We'd probably still be the world leader in manufacturing, and be
admired and respected around the world.

Toyota would being trying to emulate Chrysler, and Michigan would be
swamped with work and not enough workers to fill all the positions.



I no longer participate in political discussions. If I did, I would
probably suggest that most financial experts
consider Clinton's "balanced budget" to be nothing more than the result
of some v e rrrrr y creative accounting.

The deficit actually increased. Spending per the budget *was* getting
under better control, but Clinton really can't take the credit, although
he still tries to this day. You can actually thank Ronald Regan and a
Republican controlled Congress, as hard as that may be for some to
accept.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6107

But, it doesn't matter because I don't get involved in political
discussions.

Eisboch
You show such great restraint. ;-)


Oh, I am expecting a scolding at any moment now.

Eisboch

Dems owe me
 

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:21:11 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:10:06 GMT, JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500, wrote:


Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it
didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican
messes.

Getting in your excuses early?

Stick with what's on your pedo mind.

You snipped a lot of what I wrote because you know its the truth, and
your position is unsupportable.

I snipped what you wrote because your mind is in a pedophile gutter.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*

Dems owe me
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
snip...
Unions, regulation, taxes, un-motivated, expensive, work forces, greed and
corruption. Killed our industrial complex. Granted, there were republicans
and democrats who were involved.


Unions?? Only a small fraction of the US workforce is unionized, yet clowns
like you still blame them for your situation.
Wake up & blame the greedy *******s who run the companies.

Dems owe me
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...

You snipped a lot of what I wrote because you know its the truth, and
your position is unsupportable.

Here is my post again in its entirety:


When the last Democratic President took office there was what was
considered an insurmountable deficit. Wghen he left office, eight
years later, he handed over a country that had a surplus, to a
Republican President. What';s the current deficit or surplus after 8
years of Republicans? Don't worry, the Democrats will fix your massive
screw ups AGAIN. Just bear in muind that they cant fix yuoru 8 years
of hard work in the wrong direction, overnight. We may need to
maintain Democratic control for the next 30 years or so to make sure
you don't go stupid on us again.

Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it
didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican
messes. We might be in a much better position in so many areas that
they can't even get to.

We'd probably still be the world leader in manufacturing, and be
admired and respected around the world.

Toyota would being trying to emulate Chrysler, and Michigan would be
swamped with work and not enough workers to fill all the positions.


I no longer participate in political discussions. If I did, I would
probably suggest that most financial experts
consider Clinton's "balanced budget" to be nothing more than the result
of some v e rrrrr y creative accounting.

The deficit actually increased. Spending per the budget *was* getting
under better control, but Clinton really can't take the credit, although
he still tries to this day. You can actually thank Ronald Regan and a
Republican controlled Congress, as hard as that may be for some to
accept.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6107

But, it doesn't matter because I don't get involved in political
discussions.

Eisboch
You show such great restraint. ;-)


Oh, I am expecting a scolding at any moment now.

Eisboch


Remain unprovoked. :-)

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:09:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Oh, I am expecting a scolding at any moment now.

Would that include latex bustiers, fishnet stockings, 8 inch stilleto
heels on thigh high boots, whips and/or chains?

Just askin'... :)

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:27:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

He hasn't "lost" anything unless he bailed.
Better to sit it out.

Good point.

And I apologize for the stupid comment.

Uncalled for.

You are not excused.

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Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:10:06 GMT, JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500, wrote:


Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it
didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican
messes.
Getting in your excuses early?

Stick with what's on your pedo mind.

You snipped a lot of what I wrote because you know its the truth, and
your position is unsupportable.

Here is my post again in its entirety:


When the last Democratic President took office there was what was
considered an insurmountable deficit. Wghen he left office, eight
years later, he handed over a country that had a surplus, to a
Republican President. What';s the current deficit or surplus after 8
years of Republicans? Don't worry, the Democrats will fix your massive
screw ups AGAIN. Just bear in muind that they cant fix yuoru 8 years
of hard work in the wrong direction, overnight. We may need to
maintain Democratic control for the next 30 years or so to make sure
you don't go stupid on us again.

Just think what a Democratic Administration might accomplish if it
didn't have to expend all it's time and energy correcting Republican
messes. We might be in a much better position in so many areas that
they can't even get to.
We'd probably still be the world leader in manufacturing, and be
admired and respected around the world.

Toyota would being trying to emulate Chrysler, and Michigan would be
swamped with work and not enough workers to fill all the positions.


Your thoughts mimic Krause's. Are you related?

Unions, regulation, taxes, un-motivated, expensive, work forces, greed
and corruption. Killed our industrial complex. Granted, there were
republicans and democrats who were involved.
What is sad that the first black president is going to be remember in
history as the president who created the depression of 2008. With his
advisers polosi, dodd, frank, and reid it is inevitable. All of
Roosevelt's social welfare programs could not pull the country out of
that depression. The Reagan/Bush tax cuts created more jobs than all of
the social democrats welfare programs create since 1929.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:27:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

He hasn't "lost" anything unless he bailed.
Better to sit it out.

Good point.

And I apologize for the stupid comment.

Uncalled for.

You are not excused.

uhhh....shouldn't that be up to the grieved party to decide?

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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:27:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:34:01 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So, my retirement fund loses $80,000 due to Dem Chris Dodd of the
banking comitttee and Barney Frank and the other dems who refused to
take action in 2005 when they were warned their actions were
endangering the economy

No - you lost $85,000 because you were stupid enough to keep your
funds in whatever type of account you had it in.

He hasn't "lost" anything unless he bailed.
Better to sit it out.

Good point.

And I apologize for the stupid comment.

Uncalled for.

You are not excused.

uhhh....shouldn't that be up to the grieved party to decide?


Then why are you here?

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Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
snip...
Unions, regulation, taxes, un-motivated, expensive, work forces, greed and
corruption. Killed our industrial complex. Granted, there were republicans
and democrats who were involved.


Unions?? Only a small fraction of the US workforce is unionized, yet clowns
like you still blame them for your situation.
Wake up & blame the greedy *******s who run the companies.

The greedy *******s who run the companies write me a check every two
weeks. And, tomorrow is Q3 bonus payouts!

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
snip...
Unions, regulation, taxes, un-motivated, expensive, work forces, greed
and corruption. Killed our industrial complex. Granted, there were
republicans and democrats who were involved.


Unions?? Only a small fraction of the US workforce is unionized, yet
clowns like you still blame them for your situation.
Wake up & blame the greedy *******s who run the companies.

The greedy *******s who run the companies write me a check every two
weeks. And, tomorrow is Q3 bonus payouts!

And some of the worst performing industries are unionized. Including
government employees. But it is not all the unions fault in the auto
industry. The management caved all the time, when the US controlled 80% of
the market. One of the reason that GM had thousands getting a salary, but
did not have to come to work. One of the reason Toyota, etc can make a
profit, is they have not been here long enough to build up a huge retirees
retirement pay and medical. Plus they negotiated better contracts. The
Toyota contract does not specify all the job classifications. They can send
the lugnut installer to clean floors tomorrow.

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:53:39 -0500, Keith nuttle
wrote:

What is sad that the first black president is going to be remember in
history as the president who created the depression of 2008.

You are quite the moron, and this post from you proves it
conclusively. Obama will not even take office until 2009.


Keith probably showed up to vote on Wednesday so he could avoid the crowds.

I am taking special delight in the angst of the "conservative"
Republicans. CNN had a bit on Rush Limbaugh yesterday, and the video
being shown made it look as if Rush was abou five blood pressure points
away from a stroke.

Now *that* would be a small step for mankind.

The Republicans who are engaging in "PalinBashing" now are making
revelations that are pretty frightening if true...that she didn't know
"Africa" was a continent, that she refused to be briefed before her
Couric interview, that she spent a lot more than $150,000...they're
frightening because they reveal an amazing amount of shallowness on the
part of the guy who picked her.

What fun Tueday night was...an almost complete repudiation of
"conservative" Republicanism.

Quit dwelling in the past. Start thinking about how the armchair
quarterback is going to perform once he gets in the game and goes to the
line of scrimmage.