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D.Duck wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote: If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the process of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural born U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of justice? I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup. The courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to this issue, as they should. I would also point out, this does not only concern Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural born" status is not a certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves, let the voters decide. http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621 If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you a natural born US citizen? If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a natural born US citizen? The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this bill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of a mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen... snerk |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote: If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the process of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural born U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of justice? I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup. The courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to this issue, as they should. I would also point out, this does not only concern Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural born" status is not a certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves, let the voters decide. http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621 If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you a natural born US citizen? If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a natural born US citizen? The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this bill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of a mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen... snerk Not quite. "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea..." It reads children of citizens, plural. |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:27:17 -0500, D.Duck wrote:
It reads children of citizens, plural. Yeah, but that's been updated. " When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US." From: http://www.visalaw.com/01mar2/12mar201.html But then, apparently, Obama's Mom was young when she had him. So, there's a question about the five years after the age of 14. This stuff will give you a headache. |
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wrote in message t... On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:27:17 -0500, D.Duck wrote: It reads children of citizens, plural. Yeah, but that's been updated. " When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US." From: http://www.visalaw.com/01mar2/12mar201.html But then, apparently, Obama's Mom was young when she had him. So, there's a question about the five years after the age of 14. This stuff will give you a headache. Yep, my head hurts, I'm going to vote. |
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D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote: If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the process of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural born U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of justice? I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup. The courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to this issue, as they should. I would also point out, this does not only concern Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural born" status is not a certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves, let the voters decide. http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621 If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you a natural born US citizen? If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a natural born US citizen? The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this bill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of a mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen... snerk Not quite. "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea..." It reads children of citizens, plural. That argument wont hold up. As much as I would like it to. |
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Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote: If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the process of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural born U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of justice? I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup. The courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to this issue, as they should. I would also point out, this does not only concern Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural born" status is not a certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves, let the voters decide. http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621 If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you a natural born US citizen? If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a natural born US citizen? The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this bill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of a mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen... I'd like to challenge that law. And, I have legal standing to do so. |
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BAR wrote:
Boater wrote: D.Duck wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote: If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the process of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural born U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of justice? I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup. The courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to this issue, as they should. I would also point out, this does not only concern Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural born" status is not a certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves, let the voters decide. http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621 If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you a natural born US citizen? If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a natural born US citizen? The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this bill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of a mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen... I'd like to challenge that law. And, I have legal standing to do so. But not the smarts. Or the money. Tough tittie. |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:46:30 -0500, BAR wrote: Boater wrote: D.Duck wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:39:58 -0800, Tim wrote: If Barry O is elected POTUS, and after it was taken through the process of the Supreme Court ; it was found out that he was not a natural born U.S citizen.... what would happen? Would he be forced to resign the Presidency due to fraud, withholding evidence and/or obstruction of justice? I think you may be missing the point. If he is elected, he will be elected by the *people*. Any messing with that is called a coup. The courts have consistently maintained a hands off approach to this issue, as they should. I would also point out, this does not only concern Obama, it also concerns McCain. McCain's "natural born" status is not a certainty. Let's make it easy on ourselves, let the voters decide. http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheor...el-j-chin.html http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1157621 If you are born of US citizens in a local hospital in France are you a natural born US citizen? If you are born of US citizens in a US embassy in France are you a natural born US citizen? The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this bill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen Gosharoonie, that means that Obama, even if he were born in Kenya of a mom who was a U.S. citizen is...a natural born citizen... I'd like to challenge that law. And, I have legal standing to do so. You don't have a legal standing to do squat until a final ruling that you have such standing. Let us know when you prevail - or even get a preliminary hearing. Sure I have legal standing. I am a US citizen, a citizen of one of the several states and a legal voter. How much more standing can I have? Just because a judge doesn't want to hear the case and issues an opinion that I don't have standing doesn't mean I don't have standing to challenge Obama's ability to comply with the provisions of Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution. |
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