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Colin Powell endorses Barack Obama for president
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher,
Associated Press Writer 8 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Former Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed Democrat
Barack Obama for president Sunday, describing the Illinois senator as a
"transformational figure."

Powell said both Obama and Republican John McCain are qualified to be
commander in chief. But he said Obama is better suited to handle the
nation's economic problems as well as help improve its standing in the
world.

"It isn't easy for me to disappoint Sen. McCain in the way that I have
this morning, and I regret that," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"But I firmly believe that at this point in America's history, we need a
president that will not just continue, even with a new face and with the
changes and with some maverick aspects, who will not just continue
basically the policies that we have been following in recent years,"
Powell said.

"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."

Powell's endorsement has been much anticipated because he is a
Republican with impressive foreign policy credentials. At the same time,
he is a black man and Obama would be the nation's first black president.

Powell said he was cognizant of the racial aspect of his endorsement,
but said that was not the dominant factor in his decision. If it was, he
said, he would have made the endorsement months ago.

Powell served as secretary of state in President Bush's first term, and
helped make the case before the United Nations for the U.S.-led invasion
of Iraq in March 2003. A retired general, Powell also was the nation's
top military commander, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, during
the first Gulf war under President George H.W. Bush.

McCain said he disagreed that Obama is qualified to be president.

"We have a respectful disagreement," McCain, interviewed on "Fox News
Sunday," said of Powell.

Powell said McCain has been a good friend for 25 years. But Powell
expressed disappointment in the negative tone of McCain's campaign, as
well as in his choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as the Republican vice
presidential nominee.

"I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States,"
Powell said.

Powell said he does not plan to campaign for Obama.

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"Boater" wrote in message
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"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."



As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and wrong
before. He's only human.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."



As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and wrong
before. He's only human.

Eisboch



The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

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On Oct 19, 10:13*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."

As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and wrong
before. *He's only human.

Eisboch

The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

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"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."

As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.

Eisboch

The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.

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jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.




Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign. I don't think I've ever
heard a more direct and erudite non-endorsement and endorsement of two
candidates.

The righties on one of the gun boards I read are just this side of a
mass stroke of the collective and, predictably, are now claiming that
Colin Powell is a traitor to America. This is precisely the sort of
commentary the McCain campaign is dredging up with its over-the-top
negative campaigning.

I think Obama will win in a squeaker in the popular vote and will do
better in the EC. My preference would be for Obama to absolutely
slaughter McCain and Palin in the popular vote, too, since, because of
the trash campaign they are running, they deserve humiliation, along
with the Republican base. If Obama were white, he'd probably be 15
points ahead right now.

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On Oct 20, 9:31*am, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:



Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."

As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.

Eisboch

The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. *Even before 2004. *His leaving was no surprise to many. *He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. *A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. *They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. *Clearly proven in
this current mess. *Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, I'm not disputing that, but I thought it was intresting that Harry
would use an such an indirect comment (which i didn't see had much to
do with the thread) of:

"The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and
2004. "

So that told me that if the Bush campaign/administraiton is full of
nothing but "sinners" then that would have to include Mr. Powell as
well.

Guilt by association, y'know.

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:36:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


So that told me that if the Bush campaign/administraiton is full of
nothing but "sinners" then that would have to include Mr. Powell as
well.

Guilt by association, y'know.

Powell made a fool of himself getting up there in the UN and pointing
out satellite pics as WMD factories.
It was all proven to be BS.
The one that stands out was one location he went into a bunch of
detail about, pointing at this vehicle being for this WMD purpose, and
that vehicle being for that WMD purpose.
I saw the on-the-ground video of the place when our boys got there.
It was just a semi-trailer junk yard.
Lost all respect for him then.
Any time I look at him his face takes on the appearance of an omelet.

--Vic

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On Oct 20, 10:45*am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
....
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004..

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. *Even before 2004. *His leaving was no surprise to many. *He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. *A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. *They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. *Clearly proven in
this current mess. *Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.

Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

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On Oct 20, 2:00*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45*am, Boater wrote:





jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
....
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. *Even before 2004. *His leaving was no surprise to many. *He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. *A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. *They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. *Clearly proven in
this current mess. *Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.

Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. *It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Some of your statement is true. There are those that no matter what
their party leader has done to them, and their country, will vote for
the next one to come along no matter what. Like those who'll vote for
McCain because he's republican, no matter that he's a leading
proponent of Bush's failed economy.

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JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.


The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help more
non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

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On Oct 20, 2:20*pm, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
....
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. *Even before 2004. *His leaving was no surprise to many. *He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. *A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. *They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. *Clearly proven in
this current mess. *Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. *It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help more
non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

Perhaps, but his endorsement and comments yesterday were certainly not
"absolutely devastating" to the McCain campaign as you suggest.

If an endorsement sways a voter......that voter needs to visit the
wizard in hopes of getting a brain.

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign. I don't think I've ever
heard a more direct and erudite non-endorsement and endorsement of two
candidates.


And he still considers himself to be a Republican. Interesting, isn't it?

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign. I don't think I've ever
heard a more direct and erudite non-endorsement and endorsement of two
candidates.


And he still considers himself to be a Republican. Interesting, isn't it?

Eisboch



Tradition. Or perhaps he hopes his party will come to its senses if it
is handed a catastrophic loss. A more moderate Republican party might be
more successful in the future. But if it continues to run lousy
candidates and almost totally negative campaigns, it deserves to lose
and lose and lose.

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JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

The endorsement of a newspaper or a public figure is a self serving act.
Why would the older Powell wait until now to endorse Obama? The younger
Powell has endorsed McCain. Both endorsements are irrelevant.

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Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a
president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and
2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the
current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to
many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly
proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a
return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.


The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help more
non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

Sheep shouldn't vote.

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Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards,
were absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign. I don't think
I've ever heard a more direct and erudite non-endorsement and
endorsement of two candidates.


And he still considers himself to be a Republican. Interesting,
isn't it?

Eisboch


Tradition. Or perhaps he hopes his party will come to its senses if it
is handed a catastrophic loss. A more moderate Republican party might be
more successful in the future. But if it continues to run lousy
candidates and almost totally negative campaigns, it deserves to lose
and lose and lose.

The more the Democrats become liberal the more the loose the
presidential elections. It seems that when the Democrats move to the
right they win and when the Republicans move to the right they win. 1976
is an exception.

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BAR wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a
president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and
2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the
current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to
many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly
proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a
return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

The endorsement of a newspaper or a public figure is a self serving act.
Why would the older Powell wait until now to endorse Obama? The younger
Powell has endorsed McCain. Both endorsements are irrelevant.



I'm glad to see the grapes of wrath are going to be so bitter this year
for the "Base."

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BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a
president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and
2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the
current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to
many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A
lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly
proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a
return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards,
were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.


The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help
more non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

Sheep shouldn't vote.



Awwwwwww...poor baser.

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:10:18 -0400, BAR wrote:


The more the Democrats become liberal the more the loose the
presidential elections. It seems that when the Democrats move to the
right they win and when the Republicans move to the right they win. 1976
is an exception.

That's because this country is ruled from the center, and I would dispute
Republicans moving right and winning. Remember, Bush was elected as a
"compassionate conservative".

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t...
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:10:18 -0400, BAR wrote:


The more the Democrats become liberal the more the loose the
presidential elections. It seems that when the Democrats move to the
right they win and when the Republicans move to the right they win. 1976
is an exception.

That's because this country is ruled from the center, and I would dispute
Republicans moving right and winning. Remember, Bush was elected as a
"compassionate conservative".


That was before 9/11.

Eisboch

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--
A Harry Krause truism:

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Narcissistic Hypocrite]