Joe the plumber
 

It appears that the vicious attacks on Joe the Plumber by the Dems
(particularly by Joe "The Senator" Biden) is beginning to backfire.

It matters not if he is licensed or not, owes back taxes or not or is a
single parent. People can understand that and the majority of the public
can relate much easier to Joe the Plumber than they can to his critics and
media propaganda.

Gee, the Dems may even lose some close swing states by annoying too many
people.


Obama should install a remotely controlled muzzle on Biden.

Eisboch

Joe the plumber
 

Eisboch wrote:
It appears that the vicious attacks on Joe the Plumber by the Dems
(particularly by Joe "The Senator" Biden) is beginning to backfire.

It matters not if he is licensed or not, owes back taxes or not or is a
single parent. People can understand that and the majority of the public
can relate much easier to Joe the Plumber than they can to his critics and
media propaganda.

Gee, the Dems may even lose some close swing states by annoying too many
people.


Obama should install a remotely controlled muzzle on Biden.

Eisboch




What evidence are you offering that shows what you claim?

Joe is not the guy's real first name.
He's not a licensed plumber.
His boss is not a licensed plumber
Therefore, the business is running illegally.

Further, the business *grossed* about $100,000 a year and "Joe" earned
about $40,000 a year. He would have benefited from Obama's tax play.

The truth shall set you free.

The problem here is that the McCain campaign did not bother to vet...the
same problem it has with Ms. Palin.

Joe the plumber
 

On Oct 18, 8:00*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
It appears that the vicious attacks on Joe the Plumber by the Dems
(particularly by Joe "The Senator" Biden) *is beginning to backfire.

It matters not if he is licensed or not, owes back taxes or not or is a
single parent. *People can understand that and the majority of the public
can relate much easier to Joe the Plumber than they can to his critics and
media propaganda.

Gee, *the Dems may even *lose some close swing states by annoying too many
people.

Obama should install a remotely controlled muzzle on Biden.

Eisboch

The only muzzle he plans on putting on it the oppositition.. The
fairness doctrine, the removal of any id necessary to vote, the
elimination of the secret ballot... If Obama wins, it will be illegal
to be a conservative..

Joe the plumber
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...


What evidence are you offering that shows what you claim?

Joe is not the guy's real first name.

So what?

He's not a licensed plumber.

So what?

His boss is not a licensed plumber

So what?


Therefore, the business is running illegally.

And should pay the consequences.


Further, the business *grossed* about $100,000 a year and "Joe" earned
about $40,000 a year. He would have benefited from Obama's tax play.



The truth shall set you free.


The "truth" is that from a political point of view, Joe SixPack
understands and can relate to Joe the Plumber in a much more intimate way
than the politicians who are trying to use him as an example for their
political agenda. Furthermore, their reaction is often to get ****ed off at
the big, bad political blowhards picking on the average citizen.

If McCain's camp was behind this, it was a move of pure brilliance. He
seems to understand Joe Average Citizen much better than the Obama camp.
Kinda significant, if you think about it. It's why Kerry and Gore both
failed.

Even the empty headed Palin is still causing Obama supporters heartburn.
Why? Because the majority of the public can relate to her.

It's politics played well. Cerebral criticism against Joe the Plumber or
Sarah Palin only serves to annoy and helps McCain.

It's fascinating to watch.

Eisboch

Joe the plumber
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

What evidence are you offering that shows what you claim?

Joe is not the guy's real first name.

So what?

He's not a licensed plumber.

So what?

His boss is not a licensed plumber

So what?


Therefore, the business is running illegally.

And should pay the consequences.

Further, the business *grossed* about $100,000 a year and "Joe" earned
about $40,000 a year. He would have benefited from Obama's tax play.



The truth shall set you free.


The "truth" is that from a political point of view, Joe SixPack
understands and can relate to Joe the Plumber in a much more intimate way
than the politicians who are trying to use him as an example for their
political agenda. Furthermore, their reaction is often to get ****ed off at
the big, bad political blowhards picking on the average citizen.

If McCain's camp was behind this, it was a move of pure brilliance. He
seems to understand Joe Average Citizen much better than the Obama camp.
Kinda significant, if you think about it. It's why Kerry and Gore both
failed.

Even the empty headed Palin is still causing Obama supporters heartburn.
Why? Because the majority of the public can relate to her.

It's politics played well. Cerebral criticism against Joe the Plumber or
Sarah Palin only serves to annoy and helps McCain.

It's fascinating to watch.

Eisboch




As far as I have seen, Palin appeals only to the basest of the base, and
if McCain loses, her selection will be listed as one of the significant
reasons. The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed
opportunist.

Joe the plumber
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...


As far as I have seen, Palin appeals only to the basest of the base, and
if McCain loses, her selection will be listed as one of the significant
reasons. The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed
opportunist.




It may be the way you see it, but be prepared for a possible (but remote)
surprise.
Politically, you do not represent the average "Joe SixPack" citizen.

Unless Obama stumbles it appears he's on his way, but....

McCain's current strong suit is the popularity of airhead Palin and now Joe
the Plumber. He's also getting some points for his "speech" at the
traditional Al Smith Memorial Dinner and his recent, delayed appearance on
Letterman's show where he completely disarmed Letterman by simply saying, "I
screwed up". People relate and appreciate this type of personality and
the media is helping, unknowingly.

The backlash created by the attention and criticism the Dems are giving to
both Palin and the Plumber may bite them in the rear.

BTW ... in case you missed it .... Palin will appear on SNL tonight.
Watch the polls swing slightly towards McCain again.

Eisboch

Joe the plumber
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

As far as I have seen, Palin appeals only to the basest of the base, and
if McCain loses, her selection will be listed as one of the significant
reasons. The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed
opportunist.




It may be the way you see it, but be prepared for a possible (but remote)
surprise.
Politically, you do not represent the average "Joe SixPack" citizen.

Unless Obama stumbles it appears he's on his way, but....

McCain's current strong suit is the popularity of airhead Palin and now Joe
the Plumber. He's also getting some points for his "speech" at the
traditional Al Smith Memorial Dinner and his recent, delayed appearance on
Letterman's show where he completely disarmed Letterman by simply saying, "I
screwed up". People relate and appreciate this type of personality and
the media is helping, unknowingly.

The backlash created by the attention and criticism the Dems are giving to
both Palin and the Plumber may bite them in the rear.

BTW ... in case you missed it .... Palin will appear on SNL tonight.
Watch the polls swing slightly towards McCain again.

Eisboch




Seriously, I cannot tell the difference between Palin and Tina Fey. I'm
sure the SNL crowd will be kind to Palin...they usually are to guests.

I can't wait for the "Live from New York" shout out from Sarah...

"Live from...(where am I?)...?"

"It's...(what day is this?)...?"


Palin is a ditz. If American voters take her seriously, they ought to be
disenfranchised.

Joe the plumber
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...


Seriously, I cannot tell the difference between Palin and Tina Fey. I'm
sure the SNL crowd will be kind to Palin...they usually are to guests.


Fey does an incredible job. CNN has a clip showing them both speaking in
split screen. The first time I saw it, I had a hard time determining who
the "real" Palin was.



Palin is a ditz. If American voters take her seriously, they ought to be
disenfranchised.


You just identified your weakness. Airhead or not, many, many American
voters like her and find her personality and politics refreshing. Question
is, "How many?"

Eisboch

Joe the plumber
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Seriously, I cannot tell the difference between Palin and Tina Fey. I'm
sure the SNL crowd will be kind to Palin...they usually are to guests.


Fey does an incredible job. CNN has a clip showing them both speaking in
split screen. The first time I saw it, I had a hard time determining who
the "real" Palin was.


Palin is a ditz. If American voters take her seriously, they ought to be
disenfranchised.


You just identified your weakness. Airhead or not, many, many American
voters like her and find her personality and politics refreshing. Question
is, "How many?"

Eisboch




I suppose it is a weakness. I like national political leaders to be
smart and knowledgeable . Brilliance is not necessary, perhaps not even
desired, but smart and knowledgeable are. Palin is neither. The fact
that many Americans like her is fine, but that they "like her" for the
vice presidency is *not* fine.

Moving away from Palin for the moment, the "rumor" is that Colin Powell
will endorse Obama tomorrow on "Meet the Press." I'd be surprised if he
endorses anyone but, even if he does, I wonder if his endorsement
carries any water anywhere. It seems to me that political endorsements,
like newspaper endorsements, don't mean much, if they ever did.

Joe the plumber
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...


Moving away from Palin for the moment, the "rumor" is that Colin Powell
will endorse Obama tomorrow on "Meet the Press." I'd be surprised if he
endorses anyone but, even if he does, I wonder if his endorsement carries
any water anywhere. It seems to me that political endorsements, like
newspaper endorsements, don't mean much, if they ever did.


I'll be surprised if he endorses Obama, but anything is possible.

If he does, I think it will be based more on his feeling of being dissed,
abandoned or frustrated by Bush and Co.
That's unfortunate because it's emotional rather than professional.
Powell's politics and views have always been much more in line with the
conservatives than the liberals.

Eisboch

Joe the plumber
 

On Oct 18, 9:36*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message

...



Seriously, I cannot tell the difference between Palin and Tina Fey. I'm
sure the SNL crowd will be kind to Palin...they usually are to guests.

Fey does an incredible job. * CNN has a clip showing them both speaking in
split screen. *The first time I saw it, I had a hard time determining who
the "real" Palin was.



Palin is a ditz. If American voters take her seriously, they ought to be
disenfranchised.

You just identified your weakness. * *Airhead or not, many, many American
voters like her and find her personality and politics refreshing. *Question
is, "How many?"

Eisboch

His weak point is that like most elitists, they feel that half the
country should not even have a say. If they win, we will not..

Joe the plumber
 

Joe the plumber
 

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:29:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Even the empty headed Palin is still causing Obama supporters heartburn.
Why? Because the majority of the public can relate to her.

Not to enter the fray here, but here's an interesting side bar.

One of Mrs. Wave's friends, much like Mrs. Wave by the way, is a
registered Democrat and WAS an ardent Obama supporter.

Know what turned her from supporting Obama to McCain?

Palin and Trig.

Why?

Because she has a DS child, Jack, who is a great kid and all the
nonsense surrounding the lefties "attacks" and commentary about
aborting "useless" children.

I sense there are more out there like her than not.

The average American isn't as stupid as the MSM and elite commentators
think they are. They see the obvious biases, they can't relate to
intellectual nuances and constant "on the other hand" arguments and
they get ****ed when their own representatives like Murtha call them
racists. This whole Joe the Plumber backfired on Obama in particular
when Bloomberg news illustrated that two of Obama's advisors companies
owe a hell of a lot more in back taxes than $1,200.

And that is America's saving grace.

PS: Mrs. Wave has come around to my way of thinking - thirty years of
marriage and we have NEVER agreed on political issues or candidates.
And when I mean never, I mean never - ever - as in no way Jose.

She's votin' McCain.

WHOO HOO!!!

Joe the plumber
 

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:36:24 -0400, Boater
wrote:

The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed
opportunist

Um...no?

When she appears, she draws more crowds than Biden and has since she
was selected.

That doens't seem to me to indicate they think of her as an "airhead".

And besides, who thinks that the left wing represents the majority of
the public?

Only you. :)

Joe the plumber
 

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Hey! Answer your email, or I'll take away your percocets.

Joe the plumber
 

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:36:24 -0400, Boater
wrote:

The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed
opportunist

Um...no?

When she appears, she draws more crowds than Biden and has since she
was selected.

That doens't seem to me to indicate they think of her as an "airhead".

And besides, who thinks that the left wing represents the majority of
the public?

Only you. :)


Biden wasn't selected to "draw crowds."

Palin attracts "the base," and very little more. The fact that 10,000 or
15,000 of "the base" show up to watch Palin slam the Democrats doesn't
mean she is attracting more than "the base." Her negatives are higher
than her positives.

The question is does she have the chops to take over as POTUS is McCain
drops dead. The answer is...no.

Joe the plumber
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Boater" wrote in message
...


As far as I have seen, Palin appeals only to the basest of the base, and
if McCain loses, her selection will be listed as one of the significant
reasons. The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed
opportunist.




It may be the way you see it, but be prepared for a possible (but remote)
surprise.
Politically, you do not represent the average "Joe SixPack" citizen.

Unless Obama stumbles it appears he's on his way, but....

McCain's current strong suit is the popularity of airhead Palin and now
Joe the Plumber. He's also getting some points for his "speech" at the
traditional Al Smith Memorial Dinner and his recent, delayed appearance on
Letterman's show where he completely disarmed Letterman by simply saying,
"I screwed up". People relate and appreciate this type of personality
and the media is helping, unknowingly.

The backlash created by the attention and criticism the Dems are giving to
both Palin and the Plumber may bite them in the rear.

BTW ... in case you missed it .... Palin will appear on SNL tonight.
Watch the polls swing slightly towards McCain again.

Eisboch

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11472733@N08/2166775145/
"I know what I'll do, GWB was surrounded by smart people which made him look
even dumber than he was- I'll surround myself with idiots!" "bwahahahaha!"

Joe the plumber
 

WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:29:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

His boss is not a licensed plumber
So what?


Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on
the list of licensees.


Are they practicing plumbing at the moment?

Joe the plumber
 

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
It appears that the vicious attacks on Joe the Plumber by the Dems
(particularly by Joe "The Senator" Biden) is beginning to backfire.

It matters not if he is licensed or not, owes back taxes or not or is
a single parent. People can understand that and the majority of the
public can relate much easier to Joe the Plumber than they can to his
critics and media propaganda.

Gee, the Dems may even lose some close swing states by annoying too
many people.


Obama should install a remotely controlled muzzle on Biden.

Eisboch



What evidence are you offering that shows what you claim?

Joe is not the guy's real first name.

Irrelevant.

He's not a licensed plumber.

According to the law the doesn't need to have a license. His employer is
supposed to have a license.

His boss is not a licensed plumber.

Then go after the boss and not the employee who did nothing wrong.

Therefore, the business is running illegally.

Then go after the business owner and not the employees.


Further, the business *grossed* about $100,000 a year and "Joe" earned
about $40,000 a year. He would have benefited from Obama's tax play.

Joe the Plumber is thinking about 10 and 20 years out, not about
immediate satisfaction or gratification. The country could use a couple
of million Joe the Plumbers.

The truth shall set you free.

Please keep that in mind when talking about your own accomplishments.

The problem here is that the McCain campaign did not bother to vet...the
same problem it has with Ms. Palin.

The guy talked to Obama when Obama was walking down the street. It was
an Obama event. You and Hillary need to get a room so that you can talk
about the VRWC.

Joe the plumber
 

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
It appears that the vicious attacks on Joe the Plumber by the Dems
(particularly by Joe "The Senator" Biden) is beginning to backfire.

It matters not if he is licensed or not, owes back taxes or not or is
a single parent. People can understand that and the majority of the
public can relate much easier to Joe the Plumber than they can to his
critics and media propaganda.

Gee, the Dems may even lose some close swing states by annoying too
many people.


Obama should install a remotely controlled muzzle on Biden.

Eisboch



What evidence are you offering that shows what you claim?

Joe is not the guy's real first name.

Irrelevant.

He's not a licensed plumber.

According to the law the doesn't need to have a license. His employer is
supposed to have a license.

His boss is not a licensed plumber.

Then go after the boss and not the employee who did nothing wrong.

Therefore, the business is running illegally.

Then go after the business owner and not the employees.


Further, the business *grossed* about $100,000 a year and "Joe" earned
about $40,000 a year. He would have benefited from Obama's tax play.

Joe the Plumber is thinking about 10 and 20 years out, not about
immediate satisfaction or gratification. The country could use a couple
of million Joe the Plumbers.

The truth shall set you free.

Please keep that in mind when talking about your own accomplishments.

The problem here is that the McCain campaign did not bother to
vet...the same problem it has with Ms. Palin.

The guy talked to Obama when Obama was walking down the street. It was
an Obama event. You and Hillary need to get a room so that you can talk
about the VRWC.



If you are going to tout someone 15 or so times as McCain did, you ought
to make sure of his bona fides.

It is the responsibility of the individual to assure he is working
according to the laws. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse in this
instance. I'll bet both Sam and his boss knew the licensing requirements.

I appreciate your lack of appreciation for those pieces of paper that
say you have accomplished something.

Joe the plumber
 

Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:36:24 -0400, Boater
wrote:

The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed opportunist

Um...no?

When she appears, she draws more crowds than Biden and has since she
was selected.

That doens't seem to me to indicate they think of her as an "airhead".

And besides, who thinks that the left wing represents the majority of
the public?

Only you. :)


Biden wasn't selected to "draw crowds."

Biden was the first to say yes on the list of many who said no before
that reached Biden.

Palin attracts "the base," and very little more. The fact that 10,000 or
15,000 of "the base" show up to watch Palin slam the Democrats doesn't
mean she is attracting more than "the base." Her negatives are higher
than her positives.

It ensures that they will show up to vote rather than stay at home.

The question is does she have the chops to take over as POTUS is McCain
drops dead. The answer is...no.


Nobody thought Turman had the chops to take over, FDR treated him like a
mushroom.

Joe the plumber
 

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:36:24 -0400, Boater
wrote:

The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed opportunist

Um...no?

When she appears, she draws more crowds than Biden and has since she
was selected.

That doens't seem to me to indicate they think of her as an "airhead".

And besides, who thinks that the left wing represents the majority of
the public?

Only you. :)


Biden wasn't selected to "draw crowds."

Biden was the first to say yes on the list of many who said no before
that reached Biden.


You've said this at least three times here, and you have nothing with
which to back it up.




Palin attracts "the base," and very little more. The fact that 10,000
or 15,000 of "the base" show up to watch Palin slam the Democrats
doesn't mean she is attracting more than "the base." Her negatives are
higher than her positives.

It ensures that they will show up to vote rather than stay at home.


Good...then their disappointment will be greater.



The question is does she have the chops to take over as POTUS is
McCain drops dead. The answer is...no.


Nobody thought Turman had the chops to take over, FDR treated him like a
mushroom.

Truman was an experienced county official and national legislator who
held numerous hearings in the U.S. Senate. He was qualified by intellect
and experience. Palin is an uninformed ditz.

Joe the plumber
 

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:00:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

It appears that the vicious attacks on Joe the Plumber by the Dems
(particularly by Joe "The Senator" Biden) is beginning to backfire.

It matters not if he is licensed or not, owes back taxes or not or is a
single parent. People can understand that and the majority of the public
can relate much easier to Joe the Plumber than they can to his critics and
media propaganda.

Gee, the Dems may even lose some close swing states by annoying too many
people.


Obama should install a remotely controlled muzzle on Biden.

All that sounds like typical McCain campaign boilerplate.
IMO "Joe the Plumber" is an idiot. He thinks SS is socialism.
His right to think that, but it doesn't say much for his brainpower.
What is it up to now that all the Joes are kicking in to Wall Street?
A $trillion and counting?
That's socialism.
And "Shareholder Value."
Joe's a typical sucker. Might be the nicest guy in the world.
Still a sucker.
I don't care about him being a sucker. His problem.
But I don't like deadbeats.
He's got a lien on his house because he's a deadbeat.
Just like the Repub and Dem pols got a lien put on our country.
Deadbeats.
And that's bad for business.

--Vic

Joe the plumber
 

Boater wrote:
WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:29:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

His boss is not a licensed plumber
So what?


Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on
the list of licensees.


Are they practicing plumbing at the moment?

It is my understanding that to be an officer of a trade union you
actually have to remain proficient in that trade. Which means you have
to actually turn a wrench for a certain number of hours a year. This is
to ensure that you stay in touch with they members you represent. At
least this is the way it is in the long shore mans union. A guy who was
a Director of Software Engineering at a company where I worked had to
actually go work the docks one day a month to keep his $75,000 a year
union officer job.

Joe the plumber
 

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:49:50 -0400, Boater
wrote:

WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:29:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

His boss is not a licensed plumber
So what?


Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on
the list of licensees.


Are they practicing plumbing at the moment?

The question is are they accepting plumbing jobs, sending guys out to
do the work, and taking the money? That is what requires the license.
The owner/operator of the business needs a license, but the plumbers
who work for him don't.

Joe the plumber
 

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
It appears that the vicious attacks on Joe the Plumber by the Dems
(particularly by Joe "The Senator" Biden) is beginning to backfire.

It matters not if he is licensed or not, owes back taxes or not or
is a single parent. People can understand that and the majority of
the public can relate much easier to Joe the Plumber than they can
to his critics and media propaganda.

Gee, the Dems may even lose some close swing states by annoying
too many people.


Obama should install a remotely controlled muzzle on Biden.

Eisboch



What evidence are you offering that shows what you claim?

Joe is not the guy's real first name.

Irrelevant.

He's not a licensed plumber.

According to the law the doesn't need to have a license. His employer
is supposed to have a license.

His boss is not a licensed plumber.

Then go after the boss and not the employee who did nothing wrong.

Therefore, the business is running illegally.

Then go after the business owner and not the employees.


Further, the business *grossed* about $100,000 a year and "Joe"
earned about $40,000 a year. He would have benefited from Obama's tax
play.

Joe the Plumber is thinking about 10 and 20 years out, not about
immediate satisfaction or gratification. The country could use a
couple of million Joe the Plumbers.

The truth shall set you free.

Please keep that in mind when talking about your own accomplishments.

The problem here is that the McCain campaign did not bother to
vet...the same problem it has with Ms. Palin.

The guy talked to Obama when Obama was walking down the street. It was
an Obama event. You and Hillary need to get a room so that you can
talk about the VRWC.



If you are going to tout someone 15 or so times as McCain did, you ought
to make sure of his bona fides.

You are missing the main point. Joe's dream is the main point and how
government can help Joe attain the dream by getting out of his way or
how government can prevent Joe from attaining the dream by taking his
profits from him and giving them to some homeless guy under the notion
that Joe has an obligation to pull lazy people up with him.

It is the responsibility of the individual to assure he is working
according to the laws. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse in this
instance. I'll bet both Sam and his boss knew the licensing requirements.

Do you have knowledge of any and all laws that pertain to consulting and
taxing? That's why as a part of business you hire lawyers.

I appreciate your lack of appreciation for those pieces of paper that
say you have accomplished something.

I have plenty of pieces of paper that say I have accomplished something.
The fact that I took a different route in life and succeeded far
beyond you really gets your goat.

Joe the plumber
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...


If you are going to tout someone 15 or so times as McCain did, you ought
to make sure of his bona fides.



http://features.csmonitor.com/politi...3/picture1.jpg

Eisboch

Joe the plumber
 

Richard Casady wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:49:50 -0400, Boater
wrote:

WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:29:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

His boss is not a licensed plumber
So what?

Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on
the list of licensees.

Are they practicing plumbing at the moment?

The question is are they accepting plumbing jobs, sending guys out to
do the work, and taking the money? That is what requires the license.
The owner/operator of the business needs a license, but the plumbers
who work for him don't.

That depends upon where you are working. There is no uniform set of
rules, obviously.

Joe the plumber
 

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:29:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

His boss is not a licensed plumber
So what?


Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on
the list of licensees.


Are they practicing plumbing at the moment?

It is my understanding that to be an officer of a trade union you
actually have to remain proficient in that trade.

Your understanding is wrong. Further, proficient if it is require does
not mean working at the trade. Typically in the building trades you have
to have worked at the trade and been a journeyman/journeywoman, and, of
course, your book has to be current to hold office. Some locals require
officers to be "active" members, and therefore theoretically available
for work. Others allow non-active, retired members to hold office. There
are no national rules for such.

My "book" is up to date and I pay monthly dues, but I am by choice
"inactive" in my local and therefore ineligible to run for office.

Joe the plumber
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...


Joe's a typical sucker. Might be the nicest guy in the world.
Still a sucker.
I don't care about him being a sucker. His problem.
But I don't like deadbeats.
He's got a lien on his house because he's a deadbeat.
Just like the Repub and Dem pols got a lien put on our country.
Deadbeats.
And that's bad for business.

--Vic\


Used to sorta feel that way until one year, early in business as a sub-S
corp, my accountant announced that I owed over $50K in state and federal
taxes due to the screwy way we recognized revenues. Didn't have it. A
lien on our house was the next step.

Found out the IRS is pretty understanding if you are honest with them. Paid
the back taxes off over 6 months and paid the state when I finally got some
money in.

Sometimes **** happens.

Eisboch

Joe the plumber
 

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:36:24 -0400, Boater
wrote:

The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed opportunist

Um...no?

When she appears, she draws more crowds than Biden and has since she
was selected.

That doens't seem to me to indicate they think of her as an "airhead".

And besides, who thinks that the left wing represents the majority of
the public?

Only you. :)


Biden wasn't selected to "draw crowds."

Biden was the first to say yes on the list of many who said no before
that reached Biden.


You've said this at least three times here, and you have nothing with
which to back it up.




Palin attracts "the base," and very little more. The fact that 10,000
or 15,000 of "the base" show up to watch Palin slam the Democrats
doesn't mean she is attracting more than "the base." Her negatives
are higher than her positives.

It ensures that they will show up to vote rather than stay at home.


Good...then their disappointment will be greater.



The question is does she have the chops to take over as POTUS is
McCain drops dead. The answer is...no.


Nobody thought Turman had the chops to take over, FDR treated him like
a mushroom.

Truman was an experienced county official and national legislator who
held numerous hearings in the U.S. Senate. He was qualified by intellect
and experience. Palin is an uninformed ditz.

Following your logic anyone who didn't attend an esteemed higher
educational institution such as Yale, oops I mean Kansas, is wholly
incompetent. You are an elitist snob.

Joe the plumber
 

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:36:24 -0400, Boater
wrote:

The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed opportunist

Um...no?

When she appears, she draws more crowds than Biden and has since she
was selected.

That doens't seem to me to indicate they think of her as an "airhead".

And besides, who thinks that the left wing represents the majority of
the public?

Only you. :)


Biden wasn't selected to "draw crowds."

Biden was the first to say yes on the list of many who said no before
that reached Biden.


You've said this at least three times here, and you have nothing with
which to back it up.




Palin attracts "the base," and very little more. The fact that
10,000 or 15,000 of "the base" show up to watch Palin slam the
Democrats doesn't mean she is attracting more than "the base." Her
negatives are higher than her positives.

It ensures that they will show up to vote rather than stay at home.


Good...then their disappointment will be greater.



The question is does she have the chops to take over as POTUS is
McCain drops dead. The answer is...no.


Nobody thought Turman had the chops to take over, FDR treated him
like a mushroom.

Truman was an experienced county official and national legislator who
held numerous hearings in the U.S. Senate. He was qualified by
intellect and experience. Palin is an uninformed ditz.

Following your logic anyone who didn't attend an esteemed higher
educational institution such as Yale, oops I mean Kansas, is wholly
incompetent. You are an elitist snob.


Harry S Truman was never graduated from college, schitt-for-brains. But,
unlike you, he was smart. He did attend law school for two years,
something you would not be capable of doing.

Joe the plumber
 

On Oct 19, 8:39*am, Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:36:24 -0400, Boater
wrote:

The majority of the public thinks she is an empty-headed opportunist

Um...no?

When she appears, she draws more crowds than Biden and has since she
was selected.

That doens't seem to me to indicate they think of her as an "airhead".

And besides, who thinks that the left wing represents the majority of
the public?

Only you. *:)

Biden wasn't selected to "draw crowds."

Biden was the first to say yes on the list of many who said no before
that reached Biden.

You've said this at least three times here, and you have nothing with
which to back it up.

Palin attracts "the base," and very little more. The fact that
10,000 or 15,000 of "the base" show up to watch Palin slam the
Democrats doesn't mean she is attracting more than "the base." Her
negatives are higher than her positives.

It ensures that they will show up to vote rather than stay at home.

Good...then their disappointment will be greater.

The question is does she have the chops to take over as POTUS is
McCain drops dead. The answer is...no.

Nobody thought Turman had the chops to take over, FDR treated him
like a mushroom.

Truman was an experienced county official and national legislator who
held numerous hearings in the U.S. Senate. He was qualified by
intellect and experience. Palin is an uninformed ditz.

Following your logic anyone who didn't attend an esteemed higher
educational institution such as Yale, oops I mean Kansas, is wholly
incompetent. You are an elitist snob.

Harry S Truman was never graduated from college, schitt-for-brains. But,
unlike you, he was smart. He did attend law school for two years,
something you would not be capable of doing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You base intelligence on one's ability to "attend law school"?????
This from someone who has to lie about an alleged degree from Yale.
WAFA

Joe the plumber
 

On Oct 18, 12:14*pm, Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:29:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

His boss is not a licensed plumber
So what?

Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on
the list of licensees.

Are they practicing plumbing at the moment?

It is my understanding that to be an officer of a trade union you
actually have to remain proficient in that trade.

Your understanding is wrong. Further, proficient if it is require does
not mean working at the trade. Typically in the building trades you have
to have worked at the trade and been a journeyman/journeywoman, and, of
course, your book has to be current to hold office. Some locals require
officers to be "active" members, and therefore theoretically available
for work. Others allow non-active, retired members to hold office. There
are no national rules for such.

My "book" is up to date and I pay monthly dues, but I am by choice
"inactive" in my local and therefore ineligible to run for office.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Further, proficient if it is require does not mean working at the
trade"
This sentence from the person who claims to have graduated from Yale
with a liberal arts degree!!!!! WAFA

Joe the plumber
 

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"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Narcissistic Hypocrite]