Get excercise or work on one of the boats, thats my
choice. Workin on a boat beats excercise. gotta chisel
out about 60 old mild stel screws in the old MiniCup sailboat. Redeck
her and then glass her, gonna take some time. Found some scraps of
1/4 marine ply leftover from my dinghy I'll use for the deck.
Debate got boring and I think Biden won anyway so I went outside o
figger a way to mount all-round light on my Tolman Bimini. I have 4
stainless steel u-bolts and some glassed 1/4' ply I can make a mount
fom. I'll get some pics and post em.
Got the waterpump ready for the big sailboat diesel too

On Oct 2, 10:52*pm, wrote:
Get excercise or work on one of the boats, thats my
choice. * * * * * * Workin on a boat beats excercise. *gotta chisel
out about 60 old mild stel screws in the old MiniCup sailboat. *Redeck
her and then glass her, gonna take some time. *Found some scraps of
1/4 marine ply leftover from my dinghy I'll use for the deck.
Debate got boring and I think Biden won anyway so I went outside o
figger a way to mount all-round light on my Tolman Bimini. *I have 4
stainless steel u-bolts and some glassed 1/4' ply I can make a mount
fom. *I'll get some pics and post em.
Got the waterpump ready for the big sailboat diesel too

How old is that Mini-Cup? Who's design was it, Atkinson?.. I know I
have seen the plans at one time but don't remember who designed it..

On Oct 2, 11:00 pm, wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:52 pm, wrote:

Get excercise or work on one of the boats, thats my
choice. Workin on a boat beats excercise. gotta chisel
out about 60 old mild stel screws in the old MiniCup sailboat. Redeck
her and then glass her, gonna take some time. Found some scraps of
1/4 marine ply leftover from my dinghy I'll use for the deck.
Debate got boring and I think Biden won anyway so I went outside o
figger a way to mount all-round light on my Tolman Bimini. I have 4
stainless steel u-bolts and some glassed 1/4' ply I can make a mount
fom. I'll get some pics and post em.
Got the waterpump ready for the big sailboat diesel too

How old is that Mini-Cup? Who's design was it, Atkinson?.. I know I
have seen the plans at one time but don't remember who designed it..

Mine is only 5 yrs old and I do not know the designer but it is from
the mid 70s.

wrote:
On Oct 2, 11:37 pm, wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:15 pm, wrote:


How old is that Mini-Cup? Who's design was it, Atkinson?.. I know I
have seen the plans at one time but don't remember who designed it..

Mine is only 5 yrs old and I do not know the designer but it is from
the mid 70s.

Ahhh, I knew I had seen it, I have plans for a couple of this guys
boats. He has since died and his kids after some prodding decided to
keep selling his plans..

http://www.stevproj.com/FastSailrs.html

The guy had a great hydro years ago, but they stopped selling plans
before I picked them up. It was a three ski enclosed vehicle that ran
on a very small engine...


In fact, this guy was one of the first real designers to go on line.
After talking to him a couple of times on the phone, I got into the
business and developed the "backyard renegade" attitude of selling
plans at reasonable prices while other guys were charging hundreds for
small dingies and sailboats. Some of the bigger plan hawkers were none
too happy

and the Minicup plans are now a freebie so the rest of us who maybe will
never have the time or desire to build a ply dinghy from scratch can see
what o'Hara's been building, sailing & now fixing.

http://www.stevproj.com/MiniCup.pdf

I do wonder however if it might be better *NOT* to try and save the hull
but rebuild with better quality materials, epoxy and marine sealents.
By the time all those screws have been chisled out of the stringers
which are apparantly 3/4" x 5/8" with a screw every 3" they are going to
look like swiss cheese. Depends on the relative value he puts on his
time against a few sheets of ply. It will be no fun at all having to
replace the bottom in a year or two and the 'quick fix' will probably
take longer than building from scratch.

There really isn't that much wood required:

LUMBER:
5 - 4' X 8' panels of 1/4" ACX (or better) exterior grade plywood
1 - 14' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 12" stock
1 - 12' clear fir 1" x 3" stock
1 - 5' clear fir 2" x 4" stock


Upgrade a bit - say hardwood faced marine ply for the decks and transom
fininshed bright and eveyone will be admiring this boat for the next 20
years. With a bit of TLC, it should last three generations.

IanM wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 2, 11:37 pm, wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:15 pm, wrote:


How old is that Mini-Cup? Who's design was it, Atkinson?.. I know I
have seen the plans at one time but don't remember who designed it..

Mine is only 5 yrs old and I do not know the designer but it is from
the mid 70s.

Ahhh, I knew I had seen it, I have plans for a couple of this guys
boats. He has since died and his kids after some prodding decided to
keep selling his plans..

http://www.stevproj.com/FastSailrs.html

The guy had a great hydro years ago, but they stopped selling plans
before I picked them up. It was a three ski enclosed vehicle that ran
on a very small engine...


In fact, this guy was one of the first real designers to go on line.
After talking to him a couple of times on the phone, I got into the
business and developed the "backyard renegade" attitude of selling
plans at reasonable prices while other guys were charging hundreds for
small dingies and sailboats. Some of the bigger plan hawkers were none
too happy

and the Minicup plans are now a freebie so the rest of us who maybe will
never have the time or desire to build a ply dinghy from scratch can see
what o'Hara's been building, sailing & now fixing.

http://www.stevproj.com/MiniCup.pdf

I do wonder however if it might be better *NOT* to try and save the hull
but rebuild with better quality materials, epoxy and marine sealents. By
the time all those screws have been chisled out of the stringers which
are apparantly 3/4" x 5/8" with a screw every 3" they are going to look
like swiss cheese. Depends on the relative value he puts on his time
against a few sheets of ply. It will be no fun at all having to replace
the bottom in a year or two and the 'quick fix' will probably take
longer than building from scratch.

There really isn't that much wood required:

LUMBER:
5 - 4' X 8' panels of 1/4" ACX (or better) exterior grade plywood
1 - 14' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 12" stock
1 - 12' clear fir 1" x 3" stock
1 - 5' clear fir 2" x 4" stock


Upgrade a bit - say hardwood faced marine ply for the decks and transom
fininshed bright and eveyone will be admiring this boat for the next 20
years. With a bit of TLC, it should last three generations.


For that sort of boat, I'd rather have a tried, true, properly
manufactured and properly balanced Alcort Sunfish, but I wouldn't mind
building a nice, round, planks on frame catboat as a daysailer.

On Oct 2, 10:52*pm, wrote:
Get excercise or work on one of the boats, thats my
choice. * * * * * * Workin on a boat beats excercise. *gotta chisel
out about 60 old mild stel screws in the old MiniCup sailboat. *Redeck
her and then glass her, gonna take some time. *Found some scraps of
1/4 marine ply leftover from my dinghy I'll use for the deck.
Debate got boring and I think Biden won anyway so I went outside o
figger a way to mount all-round light on my Tolman Bimini. *I have 4
stainless steel u-bolts and some glassed 1/4' ply I can make a mount
fom. *I'll get some pics and post em.
Got the waterpump ready for the big sailboat diesel too

I use my dremel tool instead of chiseling.

On Oct 3, 7:19*am, IanM wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 2, 11:37 pm, wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:15 pm, wrote:

How old is that Mini-Cup? Who's design was it, Atkinson?.. I know I
have seen the plans at one time but don't remember who designed it..

Mine is only 5 yrs old and I do not know the designer but it is from
the mid 70s.

Ahhh, I knew I had seen it, I have plans for a couple of this guys
boats. He has since died and his kids after some prodding decided to
keep selling his plans..

http://www.stevproj.com/FastSailrs.html

The guy had a great hydro years ago, but they stopped selling plans
before I picked them up. It was a three ski enclosed vehicle that ran
on a very small engine...

In fact, this guy was one of the first real designers to go on line.
After talking to him a couple of times on the phone, I got into the
business and developed the "backyard renegade" attitude of selling
plans at reasonable prices while other guys were charging hundreds for
small dingies and sailboats. Some of the bigger plan hawkers were none
too happy

and the Minicup plans are now a freebie so the rest of us who maybe will
never have the time or desire to build a ply dinghy from scratch can see
what o'Hara's been building, sailing & now fixing.

http://www.stevproj.com/MiniCup.pdf

I do wonder however if it might be better *NOT* to try and save the hull
but rebuild with better quality materials, epoxy and marine sealents.
By the time all those screws have been chisled out of the stringers
which are apparantly 3/4" x 5/8" with a screw every 3" they are going to
look like swiss cheese. * Depends on the relative value he puts on his
time against a few sheets of ply. It will be no fun at all having to
replace the bottom in a year or two and the 'quick fix' will probably
take longer than building from scratch.

There really isn't that much wood required:

LUMBER:
5 - 4' X 8' panels of 1/4" ACX (or better) exterior grade plywood
1 - 14' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 12" stock
1 - 12' clear fir 1" x 3" stock
1 - 5' clear fir 2" x 4" stock

Upgrade a bit - say hardwood faced marine ply for the decks and transom
fininshed bright and eveyone will be admiring this boat for the next 20
years. *With a bit of TLC, it should last three generations.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Most folks don't mess with boats to save time or money.. Like the OP
said, it's just better than exercise

On Oct 3, 7:45 am, Boater wrote:
IanM wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 2, 11:37 pm, wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:15 pm, wrote:

How old is that Mini-Cup? Who's design was it, Atkinson?.. I know I
have seen the plans at one time but don't remember who designed it..

Mine is only 5 yrs old and I do not know the designer but it is from
the mid 70s.

Ahhh, I knew I had seen it, I have plans for a couple of this guys
boats. He has since died and his kids after some prodding decided to
keep selling his plans..

http://www.stevproj.com/FastSailrs.html

The guy had a great hydro years ago, but they stopped selling plans
before I picked them up. It was a three ski enclosed vehicle that ran
on a very small engine...

In fact, this guy was one of the first real designers to go on line.
After talking to him a couple of times on the phone, I got into the
business and developed the "backyard renegade" attitude of selling
plans at reasonable prices while other guys were charging hundreds for
small dingies and sailboats. Some of the bigger plan hawkers were none
too happy

and the Minicup plans are now a freebie so the rest of us who maybe will
never have the time or desire to build a ply dinghy from scratch can see
what o'Hara's been building, sailing & now fixing.

http://www.stevproj.com/MiniCup.pdf

I do wonder however if it might be better *NOT* to try and save the hull
but rebuild with better quality materials, epoxy and marine sealents. By
the time all those screws have been chisled out of the stringers which
are apparantly 3/4" x 5/8" with a screw every 3" they are going to look
like swiss cheese. Depends on the relative value he puts on his time
against a few sheets of ply. It will be no fun at all having to replace
the bottom in a year or two and the 'quick fix' will probably take
longer than building from scratch.

There really isn't that much wood required:

LUMBER:
5 - 4' X 8' panels of 1/4" ACX (or better) exterior grade plywood
1 - 14' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 12" stock
1 - 12' clear fir 1" x 3" stock
1 - 5' clear fir 2" x 4" stock

Upgrade a bit - say hardwood faced marine ply for the decks and transom
fininshed bright and eveyone will be admiring this boat for the next 20
years. With a bit of TLC, it should last three generations.

For that sort of boat, I'd rather have a tried, true, properly
manufactured and properly balanced Alcort Sunfish, but I wouldn't mind
building a nice, round, planks on frame catboat as a daysailer.

I built two MiniCups so my kids could race them (never happened). #2
is in very good shape because I tore her apart last year and epoxied
and glassed her. You are right that building new might be better but I
think re-doing this one will be faster, I only need to replace part of
the top decking, the transom and a bulkhead. Every time I fix them I
experiment making them better. This time I will put in a cockpit
drain and make a reefable sewn sail. The original plans called for
duct taped sails. That actually worked well for a little while but
they soon fell apart. I experimented with a lot of things and finally
started making sewn polytarp sails. This one will be more complicated
with the reefing (it is a lateen rig) but there have been a few days I
couldnt sail due to high wind.
Eventually, I'd like to redo the MiniCup plans to incorporate modern
materials and methods. The boat as originally built would last only a
few years and time is too valuable to use cheap materials and have
them fall apart. I've made several major modifications so she works
much better and these need to be in the new plans.
I also built a trailer to carry the two MiniCups and a dolly to
transport them to the water, both work very well.

"IanM" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Oct 2, 11:37 pm, wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:15 pm, wrote:


How old is that Mini-Cup? Who's design was it, Atkinson?.. I know I
have seen the plans at one time but don't remember who designed it..

Mine is only 5 yrs old and I do not know the designer but it is from
the mid 70s.

Ahhh, I knew I had seen it, I have plans for a couple of this guys
boats. He has since died and his kids after some prodding decided to
keep selling his plans..

http://www.stevproj.com/FastSailrs.html

The guy had a great hydro years ago, but they stopped selling plans
before I picked them up. It was a three ski enclosed vehicle that ran
on a very small engine...


In fact, this guy was one of the first real designers to go on line.
After talking to him a couple of times on the phone, I got into the
business and developed the "backyard renegade" attitude of selling
plans at reasonable prices while other guys were charging hundreds for
small dingies and sailboats. Some of the bigger plan hawkers were none
too happy

and the Minicup plans are now a freebie so the rest of us who maybe will
never have the time or desire to build a ply dinghy from scratch can see
what o'Hara's been building, sailing & now fixing.

http://www.stevproj.com/MiniCup.pdf

I do wonder however if it might be better *NOT* to try and save the hull
but rebuild with better quality materials, epoxy and marine sealents. By
the time all those screws have been chisled out of the stringers which are
apparantly 3/4" x 5/8" with a screw every 3" they are going to look like
swiss cheese. Depends on the relative value he puts on his time against
a few sheets of ply. It will be no fun at all having to replace the bottom
in a year or two and the 'quick fix' will probably take longer than
building from scratch.

There really isn't that much wood required:

LUMBER:
5 - 4' X 8' panels of 1/4" ACX (or better) exterior grade plywood
1 - 14' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 12" stock
1 - 12' clear fir 1" x 3" stock
1 - 5' clear fir 2" x 4" stock


Upgrade a bit - say hardwood faced marine ply for the decks and transom
fininshed bright and eveyone will be admiring this boat for the next 20
years. With a bit of TLC, it should last three generations.

What do you think about using stitch and glue instead of framing the hull?
It's a lot faster, easier and plenty strong for the application.
MMC

On Oct 3, 10:01*am, "mmc" wrote:
"IanM" wrote in message

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wrote:
On Oct 2, 11:37 pm, wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:15 pm, wrote:

How old is that Mini-Cup? Who's design was it, Atkinson?.. I know I
have seen the plans at one time but don't remember who designed it..

Mine is only 5 yrs old and I do not know the designer but it is from
the mid 70s.

Ahhh, I knew I had seen it, I have plans for a couple of this guys
boats. He has since died and his kids after some prodding decided to
keep selling his plans..

http://www.stevproj.com/FastSailrs.html

The guy had a great hydro years ago, but they stopped selling plans
before I picked them up. It was a three ski enclosed vehicle that ran
on a very small engine...

In fact, this guy was one of the first real designers to go on line.
After talking to him a couple of times on the phone, I got into the
business and developed the "backyard renegade" attitude of selling
plans at reasonable prices while other guys were charging hundreds for
small dingies and sailboats. Some of the bigger plan hawkers were none
too happy

and the Minicup plans are now a freebie so the rest of us who maybe will
never have the time or desire to build a ply dinghy from scratch can see
what o'Hara's been building, sailing & now fixing.

http://www.stevproj.com/MiniCup.pdf

I do wonder however if it might be better *NOT* to try and save the hull
but rebuild with better quality materials, epoxy and marine sealents. By
the time all those screws have been chisled out of the stringers which are
apparantly 3/4" x 5/8" with a screw every 3" they are going to look like
swiss cheese. * Depends on the relative value he puts on his time against
a few sheets of ply. It will be no fun at all having to replace the bottom
in a year or two and the 'quick fix' will probably take longer than
building from scratch.

There really isn't that much wood required:

LUMBER:
5 - 4' X 8' panels of 1/4" ACX (or better) exterior grade plywood
1 - 14' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 6" stock
1 - 8' clear fir 1" x 12" stock
1 - 12' clear fir 1" x 3" stock
1 - 5' clear fir 2" x 4" stock

Upgrade a bit - say hardwood faced marine ply for the decks and transom
fininshed bright and eveyone will be admiring this boat for the next 20
years. *With a bit of TLC, it should last three generations.

What do you think about using stitch and glue instead of framing the hull?
It's a lot faster, easier and plenty strong for the application.
MMC- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, without studying the plans I would note that not every boat is
right for S+T. There needs to be a good amount of curve in adjoining
edges to make the plywood strong. Some feel that fiberglass can be
used for strength, but a good S+T uses curved ply for strength, and
glass as a protectant and sealer.