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A racial incident
On Oct 2, 10:06*pm, wrote:
On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. *In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? *I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. Am on 2nd clutch and this time it isnt the clutch but is the transmission simply being too worn to shift smoothly. *I dont understand transmissions so I cannot say why, *Worn out rear end with differential making noise, cannot align her anymore due to all the front end being worn out. *Yes, could rebuild her but I'd get revolution from my wife if I decided to. *2nd engine is at only 115,000 miles though. Am I living in the past thinking that $20,000 is too much to pay for a double cab truck with less than 30,000 miles? Huh? |
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On Oct 2, 8:42*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:37*pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. *In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? *I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. |
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On Oct 3, 8:26*am, wrote:
On Oct 2, 8:42*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37*pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. *In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? *I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. You really are a simple simon Loogy. Lay off the pot. |
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On Oct 3, 9:07*am, JimH wrote:
On Oct 3, 8:26*am, wrote: On Oct 2, 8:42*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37*pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. *In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? *I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. You really are a simple simon Loogy. *Lay off the pot.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What pot? Be specific. Again, if you have any knowledge of illegal activity, it is your responsibilty BY LAW to report that to law enforcement. |
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wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. Am on 2nd clutch and this time it isnt the clutch but is the transmission simply being too worn to shift smoothly. I dont understand transmissions so I cannot say why, Worn out rear end with differential making noise, cannot align her anymore due to all the front end being worn out. Yes, could rebuild her but I'd get revolution from my wife if I decided to. 2nd engine is at only 115,000 miles though. Am I living in the past thinking that $20,000 is too much to pay for a double cab truck with less than 30,000 miles? Check Craigslist Most likely lots on there for that or less. My 2004 Duramax Chevy is probably worth less than that at 80k miles, and it is still in great shape. |
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wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. |
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. |
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On Oct 5, 2:49*pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. |
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JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. |
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On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message .... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice. |
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JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice. We have a gas cooktop, gas fireplace, gas hot water heater, gas backup on our heat pumps. Our electric dryer will be heading out the door in a year or so. Dunno whether to get a gas dryer. There's access to the laundry room from the gas lines, but I'd have to get a plumber to run the lines. I'm not sure how much it would save to get a gas dryer versus a new electric dryer. |
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Boater wrote:
JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice. We have a gas cooktop, gas fireplace, gas hot water heater, gas backup on our heat pumps. Our electric dryer will be heading out the door in a year or so. Dunno whether to get a gas dryer. There's access to the laundry room from the gas lines, but I'd have to get a plumber to run the lines. I'm not sure how much it would save to get a gas dryer versus a new electric dryer. Who asked? WAFA... |
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DK wrote:
Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice. We have a gas cooktop, gas fireplace, gas hot water heater, gas backup on our heat pumps. Our electric dryer will be heading out the door in a year or so. Dunno whether to get a gas dryer. There's access to the laundry room from the gas lines, but I'd have to get a plumber to run the lines. I'm not sure how much it would save to get a gas dryer versus a new electric dryer. Who asked? WAFA... I think I'll make a donation to Planned Parenthood in your name to honor Sarah Palin. |
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On Oct 5, 7:37*pm, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice. We have a gas cooktop, gas fireplace, gas hot water heater, gas backup on our heat pumps. Our electric dryer will be heading out the door in a year or so. Dunno whether to get a gas dryer. There's access to the laundry room from the gas lines, but I'd have to get a plumber to run the lines. I'm not sure how much it would save to get a gas dryer versus a new electric dryer. We have a gas dryer, gas range, gas heat and gas hot water tank. Our gas bills through the summer averaged $25. All of those white goods are a year or less old and energy star rated. We also do most of our cooking in the summer on the outdoor propane grill. |
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On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The savings would be greater if you and yours bathed. Using more energy is a smart choice? |
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On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message .... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - BTU's dumbass. |
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On Oct 5, 2:49*pm, JimH wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The filter that "plugs up" can be cleaned in a few minutes, if there is a problem. I've known of three to run for the last four or five years and are still working just wonderfully, and saving those families enough so that they will recoup in seven years. They bathe. |
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:06:19 -0700 (PDT), JimH
wrote: On Oct 5, 7:37*pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice. We have a gas cooktop, gas fireplace, gas hot water heater, gas backup on our heat pumps. Our electric dryer will be heading out the door in a year or so. Dunno whether to get a gas dryer. There's access to the laundry room from the gas lines, but I'd have to get a plumber to run the lines. I'm not sure how much it would save to get a gas dryer versus a new electric dryer. We have a gas dryer, gas range, gas heat and gas hot water tank. Our gas bills through the summer averaged $25. All of those white goods are a year or less old and energy star rated. We also do most of our cooking in the summer on the outdoor propane grill. When I was a kid more than fifty years ago, we had a gas refrigerator. Casady |
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On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume.../mytopic=12820 Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. |
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On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote:
On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. Don't you have a daytime job? |
A racial incident
JimH wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:24 am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. Don't you have a daytime job? Bingo! Who the hell would hire a loser like Loogy? |
A racial incident
On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more with a tankless? |
A racial incident
On Oct 6, 1:06*pm, wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't.. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c.... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more with a tankless? Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain. |
A racial incident
On Oct 6, 1:09*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 6, 1:06*pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more with a tankless? Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's cute, you're taking a page right from Harry. When found out to be dead wrong, and not a leg to stand on, start insulting and name calling. |
A racial incident
On Oct 6, 11:37*am, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24 am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c.... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you have a daytime job? Bingo! *Who the hell would hire a loser like Loogy?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This from the person that has to make up wild lies about every single aspect of his sorry life. Hey, does your wife know that you aren't comfortable with her station in life so you made up lies about her career? What would your father think of the fact that you need to make up lies about him? |
A racial incident
On Oct 6, 1:24*pm, wrote:
On Oct 6, 1:09*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:06*pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more with a tankless? Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's cute, you're taking a page right from Harry. When found out to be dead wrong, and not a leg to stand on, start insulting and name calling. Go pick a fight with someone else. That is your sole purpose here. Why you are such a nasty, negative little guy is beyond me. As a start I suggest you start spending your time to actually working instead of posting here all day and night. See ya. |
A racial incident
On Oct 6, 1:30*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 6, 1:24*pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 1:09*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:06*pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 11:36*am, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24*am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26*pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45*pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month.......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more with a tankless? Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's cute, you're taking a page right from Harry. When found out to be dead wrong, and not a leg to stand on, start insulting and name calling. Go pick a fight with someone else. *That is your sole purpose here. Why you are such a nasty, negative little guy is beyond me. As a start I suggest you start spending your time to actually working instead of posting here all day and night. See ya.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Negative? It's not my fault you are wrong about the tankless water heater. Do you still contend that if you use more water your savings would be greater? |
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A racial incident
wrote:
On Oct 6, 1:30 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:24 pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 1:09 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 11:36 am, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24 am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month.......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. Don't you have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more with a tankless? Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's cute, you're taking a page right from Harry. When found out to be dead wrong, and not a leg to stand on, start insulting and name calling. Go pick a fight with someone else. That is your sole purpose here. Why you are such a nasty, negative little guy is beyond me. As a start I suggest you start spending your time to actually working instead of posting here all day and night. See ya.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Negative? It's not my fault you are wrong about the tankless water heater. Do you still contend that if you use more water your savings would be greater? The best part of this exchange is WAFA's lapdog repeatedly coming to his rescue and attacking him for his political BS in another post. I guess it's a love/hate relationship. |
A racial incident
DK wrote:
wrote: On Oct 6, 1:30 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:24 pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 1:09 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 11:36 am, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24 am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month.......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. Don't you have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more with a tankless? Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's cute, you're taking a page right from Harry. When found out to be dead wrong, and not a leg to stand on, start insulting and name calling. Go pick a fight with someone else. That is your sole purpose here. Why you are such a nasty, negative little guy is beyond me. As a start I suggest you start spending your time to actually working instead of posting here all day and night. See ya.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Negative? It's not my fault you are wrong about the tankless water heater. Do you still contend that if you use more water your savings would be greater? The best part of this exchange is WAFA's lapdog repeatedly coming to his rescue and attacking him for his political BS in another post. I guess it's a love/hate relationship. If you were capable of abstract thinking, schitt-for-brains, you'd realize that JimH and I agree that we will never agree on politics, and that we have also agreed that that shouldn't be a point of ignition between us. But since you have no more brain power than a turd, you'd can't figure it out. |
A racial incident
"Boater" wrote in message . .. If you were capable of abstract thinking, schitt-for-brains, you'd realize that JimH and I agree that we will never agree on politics, and that we have also agreed that that shouldn't be a point of ignition between us. But since you have no more brain power than a turd, you'd can't figure it out. ~~ Snerk ~~ That Dingy Dan is a piece of work. |
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A racial incident
wrote in message ... On Oct 6, 11:37 am, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24 am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. Don't you have a daytime job? Bingo! Who the hell would hire a loser like Loogy?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This from the person that has to make up wild lies about every single aspect of his sorry life. Hey, does your wife know that you aren't comfortable with her station in life so you made up lies about her career? What would your father think of the fact that you need to make up lies about him? Why do you bother?? Why? Even when you're right, you can't win with these morons, so what's the point. We know harry is a liar. Even if he wasn't, the fact that you state it over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, would probably make us believe that he is. Repetition is kinda annoying aint it? I have the 3 stooges plonked, but you continue to respond to them, and that sort of unplonks them. I've had enough. So.... plonk sorry. You need to be bigger than them. --Mike |
A racial incident
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:56:31 -0400, BAR wrote:
Don White wrote: "DK" wrote in message snipped We're not on the metric system. This is America. ;) You'll be on the metric system soon enough, or the civilized world will just put you in a corner and ignore you. That's what the rest of the world said 40 years ago. A Canadian discussing a country being ignored? -- John H. |
A racial incident
On Oct 6, 7:12*pm, Boater wrote:
DK wrote: wrote: On Oct 6, 1:30 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:24 pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 1:09 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 11:36 am, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24 am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. This from a person who can't afford an on-demand water heater that would return his investment in a few years and had to settle for adding another energy hog conventional water heater. On demand water heaters also have problems. Especially with older plumbing. they have a filter that plugs up easily. You are correct. * As usual Loogy does not know what he is talking about. I did not have the proper sized gas line at the spot I was to put the heater and I would have had to spend some big bucks to correct the problem as my basement is finished with a drywall ceiling. Additionally, I found out that due to our incoming water temperature during the winter the water would not heat up to our deisred 125F. Lastly, considering my total costs I did a cost benefit analysis and found it would take me a over 20 years to recoup the costs of installing a tanklesss system. I had the water tanks removed and replaced with a single 40 gallon unit for $750. *It burns about $35 of NG each month and has plenty of supply for 4 showers. Check that figure on the cost to heat the water/month.......should be ~ $20-$25, not $35. How do you separate out how much fuel a particular appliance uses a month, other than the general info on the label? Oh...Loogy...the best way to deal with Loogy is either not to deal with him at all or ridicule him. There's no content in his posts.. I estimated a 50% savings or $10~$13 month. *Not worth the effort or cost to install a tankless system. The savings would have been more if the kids were still living with us but with just 2 in the house we made the smart choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, there's your problem! your "cost analysis" is backwards!! Your actual savings are greater percentage wise if you use LESS water. Why? Because you are paying to store hot water with a conventional water heater. Here, learn something: http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/consume...eating/index.c... Which states in part: For homes that use 41 gallons or less of hot water daily, demand water heaters can be 24%–34% more energy efficient than conventional storage tank water heaters. They can be 8%–14% more energy efficient for homes that use a lot of hot water—around 86 gallons per day. You can achieve even greater energy savings of 27%–50% if you install a demand water heater at each hot water outlet. As usual, you don't have a clue. Why you are so obsessed with my life is a big question. *Don't you have a daytime job?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont' have a clue? Do you refute the facts above? Do you refute the fact that YOU stated that if you used more water that you'd save more with a tankless? Your assignment next weekend is to go out and find the clue you don't have,then make a visit to the wizard to get a brain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's cute, you're taking a page right from Harry. When found out to be dead wrong, and not a leg to stand on, start insulting and name calling. Go pick a fight with someone else. *That is your sole purpose here. Why you are such a nasty, negative little guy is beyond me. As a start I suggest you start spending your time to actually working instead of posting here all day and night. See ya.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Negative? It's not my fault you are wrong about the tankless water heater. Do you still contend that if you use more water your savings would be greater? The best part of this exchange is WAFA's lapdog repeatedly coming to his rescue and attacking him for his political BS in another post. *I guess it's a love/hate relationship. If you were capable of abstract thinking, schitt-for-brains, you'd realize that JimH and I agree that we will never agree on politics, and that we have also agreed that that shouldn't be a point of ignition between us. In other words, JimH will put up (or does he actually believe?) all of Harry's lies! But since you have no more brain power than a turd, you'd can't figure it out.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Typically, when shown to be either a moron or a liar, the name calling and insults start. That's very refined and cultured. |
A racial incident
On Oct 6, 7:09*pm, DK wrote:
wrote: On Oct 6, 1:30 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:24 pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 1:09 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 1:06 pm, wrote: On Oct 6, 11:36 am, JimH wrote: On Oct 6, 11:24 am, wrote: On Oct 5, 7:26 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 6:45 pm, Boater wrote: JimH wrote: On Oct 5, 2:49 pm, JimH wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:31:41 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 8:42 pm, JimH wrote: On Oct 2, 7:37 pm, DK wrote: BAR wrote: I never pay cash for cars or boats. Always pay with somebody else's money and pay it back over time with cheaper money. I don't understand your theory. In the end, you are paying for it with your money and you are paying more than the selling price unless you found a 0% deal. What it "cheaper money"? I'd like to get some! From 2002 through 2007 my investments earned 10+% (often significantly higher) while car and boat loans were below that. Not a hard thing to understand but we all know why you don't. |
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