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Texas, like Fl has law that says any of the beach between high and low
tide is public land and nothing me be built there. Of course, Ike has moved the beach so many homes there are now below high tide line so they cannot rebuild. Too effin bad I say. These idjits knew that was the case before they built but did anyway. |
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On Sep 19, 12:16*pm, wrote:
Texas, like Fl has law that says any of the beach between high and low tide is public land and nothing me be built there. *Of course, Ike has moved the beach so many homes there are now below high tide line so they cannot rebuild. *Too effin bad I say. *These idjits knew that was the case before they built but did anyway. Yeah, I love it! In old time Florida, the people knew better than to build right on the water! |
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On Sep 19, 1:48*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:16:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Texas, like Fl has law that says any of the beach between high and low tide is public land and nothing me be built there. *Of course, Ike has moved the beach so many homes there are now below high tide line so they cannot rebuild. *Too effin bad I say. *These idjits knew that was the case before they built but did anyway. The problem is they had a weak building code. This one did OK, built to a 150 MPH wind code and exceeding minimum FEMA elevationhttp://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/art.gilchrist.house.irpt.jpg The trouble is that even if a structure is built to resist the forces of a 200mph wind, it isn't practical to build one to resist the forces of wind blown debris. Once you have compromised the wall, which is acting as a diaphram to resist those wind forces with wind blown debris, bad things start happening quickly. |
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On Sep 19, 1:55 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:22:28 -0400, jim wrote: wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim My daughter lived in Pensacola and later in Mexico Beach (Port St Joe area). I have taken both routes many times (from SW Fla) In a motor home I would certainly use the interstate. 98 will drag you down some winding 2 lane blacktop. 98 is shorter but slower going. Even coming out of Mexico Beach where there is no easy way to get to I-10 without going out of your way, it is still faster. Quite frankly, I-10 is the most boring drive ever but you might consider stopping at Suwanee River State Park near Live Oak. There is also a small spring between the interstate and the park whose name I cannot remember but it is also state owned and there is a sign for it. West of Tallahassee, you should visit Torreya State Park because it has some of the highest hills in FL and will make you think you are int eh mountains. It overlooks the Apalachicola River. The roughly 2 mile hike on the bluff trail to the primitive campsite is really nice. Florida Caverns is a good park too near Marianna. The cave is sorta small but the park has a good spring for swimming. 98 is interesting but will take you forever. East of Tallahassee, there isnt much to see except for the Aucilla Sinks area but that is quite a walk and drive into wilderness. There are tiny coastal areas like Panacea but they are nothing to look at. Apalachicola is worth a visit. Get a drink at the Gibson Inn or go to the Boss Oyster bar on the water (its gotten very uppity lately). Walk out on the dock beside the bridge into the bay. St. George Island has a good beach but has become touristy. Near St. Joe I reccomend St Joseph State Park but it is a ways off 98. Panama City will make you pray for it to get a direct hurricane hit although St Andrews State Park is nice. |
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"jim" wrote in message ... wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim You live there & still don't know your way around? |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:19:55 -0400, jim wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:22:28 -0400, jim wrote: wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim My daughter lived in Pensacola and later in Mexico Beach (Port St Joe area). I have taken both routes many times (from SW Fla) In a motor home I would certainly use the interstate. 98 will drag you down some winding 2 lane blacktop. 98 is shorter but slower going. Even coming out of Mexico Beach where there is no easy way to get to I-10 without going out of your way, it is still faster. thanks for the feedback. Jim, sorry to OT you, but I just wanted to let you, et al, know that I got my money back from Thousand Trails. It took a little prompting from the Virginia Department of Consumer Affairs, but it's all back. Which of the Passport America's do you use? -- John H. |
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On Sep 19, 2:20*pm, wrote:
On Sep 19, 1:55 pm, wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:22:28 -0400, jim wrote: wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim My daughter lived in Pensacola and later in Mexico Beach (Port St Joe area). I have taken both routes many times (from SW Fla) In a motor home I would certainly use the interstate. 98 will drag you down some winding 2 lane blacktop. 98 is shorter but slower going. Even coming out of Mexico Beach where there is no easy way to get to I-10 without going out of your way, it is still faster. Quite frankly, I-10 is the most boring drive ever but you might consider stopping at Suwanee River State Park near Live Oak. *There is also a small spring between the interstate and the park whose name I cannot remember but it is also state owned and there is a sign for it. *West of Tallahassee, you should visit Torreya State Park because it has some of the highest hills in FL and will make you think you are int eh mountains. *It overlooks the Apalachicola River. *The roughly 2 mile hike on the bluff trail to the primitive campsite is really nice. *Florida Caverns is a good park too near Marianna. *The cave is sorta small but the park has a good spring for swimming. 98 is interesting but will take you forever. *East of Tallahassee, there isnt much to see except for the Aucilla Sinks area but that is quite a walk and drive into wilderness. There are tiny coastal areas like Panacea but they are nothing to look at. *Apalachicola is worth a visit. *Get a drink at the Gibson Inn or go to the Boss Oyster bar on the water (its gotten very uppity lately). *Walk out on the dock beside the bridge into the bay. *St. George Island has a good beach but has become touristy. *Near St. Joe I reccomend St Joseph State Park but it is a ways off 98. *Panama City will make you pray for it to get a direct hurricane hit although St Andrews State Park is nice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you're looking for some damned good catfish, some of the best I've ever had, and don't mind eating in little known truck stop like places, hit Sheffield's Catfish House just off of I-75 near Live Oak. You'll see neon colored signs for the place. |
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Don White wrote:
"jim" wrote in message ... wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim You live there & still don't know your way around? No surprise there. |
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On Sep 19, 2:32*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message ... wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim You live there & still don't know your way around? Don, you live in Canada, do you know every place to go there? Do you know everything to do there? Do you know every place do eat there? I didn't think so. Because of your hatred, you're sounding quite dumb. |
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On Sep 19, 3:36*pm, wrote:
On Sep 19, 2:32*pm, "Don White" wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida.. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim You live there & still don't know your way around? Don, you live in Canada, do you know every place to go there? Do you know everything to do there? Do you know every place do eat there? I didn't think so. Because of your hatred, you're sounding quite dumb. Pssstt.......Loogy........for starters (I will go slow for you, one by one)......Canada is a Country........Florida is a State. Let me know when you finally understand that so I can post the next fact. |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:48:15 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:16:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Texas, like Fl has law that says any of the beach between high and low tide is public land and nothing me be built there. Of course, Ike has moved the beach so many homes there are now below high tide line so they cannot rebuild. Too effin bad I say. These idjits knew that was the case before they built but did anyway. The problem is they had a weak building code. This one did OK, built to a 150 MPH wind code and exceeding minimum FEMA elevation http://esteroriverheights.com/electr...house.irpt.jpg What storm was that ? |
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On Sep 19, 2:11*pm, wrote:
On Sep 19, 1:48*pm, wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:16:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Texas, like Fl has law that says any of the beach between high and low tide is public land and nothing me be built there. *Of course, Ike has moved the beach so many homes there are now below high tide line so they cannot rebuild. *Too effin bad I say. *These idjits knew that was the case before they built but did anyway. The problem is they had a weak building code. This one did OK, built to a 150 MPH wind code and exceeding minimum FEMA elevationhttp://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/art.gilchrist.house.irpt.jpg The trouble is that even if a structure is built to resist the forces of a 200mph wind, it isn't practical to build one to resist the forces of wind blown debris. Once you have compromised the wall, which is acting as a diaphram to resist those wind forces with wind blown debris, bad things start happening quickly. I would think that being able to absorb impact forces of debris would be one of the criteria for a structure being rated as being able to resists the forces of a 200 mph wind. |
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JimH wrote:
On Sep 19, 3:36 pm, wrote: On Sep 19, 2:32 pm, "Don White" wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim You live there & still don't know your way around? Don, you live in Canada, do you know every place to go there? Do you know everything to do there? Do you know every place do eat there? I didn't think so. Because of your hatred, you're sounding quite dumb. Pssstt.......Loogy........for starters (I will go slow for you, one by one)......Canada is a Country........Florida is a State. Let me know when you finally understand that so I can post the next fact. Further, the distance between the Florida starting point and the destination is not far, and there are first-rate interstate highways for most of the trip. I've hauled boats up and down I-75 and east and west along I-10. Why someone would think there might be a "road problem" for hauling around a land cruiser is beyond me. Floridians tend to travel all over their state, much more than the residents of many other states where I have lived. |
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wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 2:32 pm, "Don White" wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim You live there & still don't know your way around? Don, you live in Canada, do you know every place to go there? Do you know everything to do there? Do you know every place do eat there? I didn't think so. Because of your hatred, you're sounding quite dumb. mmmm. I do know the main and secondary roads around my home province. Do you need help getting from Atlanta to.....say..Savannah?? |
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wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 2:32 pm, "Don White" wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim You live there & still don't know your way around? Don, you live in Canada, do you know every place to go there? Do you know everything to do there? Do you know every place do eat there? I didn't think so. Because of your hatred, you're sounding quite dumb. mmmm. I do know the main and secondary roads around my home province. Do you need help getting from Atlanta to.....say..Savannah?? I can drive from the Atlantic to the Pacific without consulting a map at any time. So can millions of other Americans. It's not a great feat. Neither is driving from Boston to Key West. I doubt Loogy can tie his shoes without a primer. |
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:19:55 -0400, jim wrote: wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:22:28 -0400, jim wrote: wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim My daughter lived in Pensacola and later in Mexico Beach (Port St Joe area). I have taken both routes many times (from SW Fla) In a motor home I would certainly use the interstate. 98 will drag you down some winding 2 lane blacktop. 98 is shorter but slower going. Even coming out of Mexico Beach where there is no easy way to get to I-10 without going out of your way, it is still faster. thanks for the feedback. Jim, sorry to OT you, but I just wanted to let you, et al, know that I got my money back from Thousand Trails. It took a little prompting from the Virginia Department of Consumer Affairs, but it's all back. Which of the Passport America's do you use? Glad you got out of 1000T OK Just in case I can't find your Email addy., send me an Email and I will give you a heads up on PA. |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:41:54 -0400, jim wrote:
John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:19:55 -0400, jim wrote: wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:22:28 -0400, jim wrote: wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim My daughter lived in Pensacola and later in Mexico Beach (Port St Joe area). I have taken both routes many times (from SW Fla) In a motor home I would certainly use the interstate. 98 will drag you down some winding 2 lane blacktop. 98 is shorter but slower going. Even coming out of Mexico Beach where there is no easy way to get to I-10 without going out of your way, it is still faster. thanks for the feedback. Jim, sorry to OT you, but I just wanted to let you, et al, know that I got my money back from Thousand Trails. It took a little prompting from the Virginia Department of Consumer Affairs, but it's all back. Which of the Passport America's do you use? Glad you got out of 1000T OK Just in case I can't find your Email addy., send me an Email and I will give you a heads up on PA. On the way, over. -- John H. |
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"jim" wrote in message ... wrote: On Sep 19, 2:32 pm, "Don White" wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim You live there & still don't know your way around? Don, you live in Canada, do you know every place to go there? Do you know everything to do there? Do you know every place do eat there? I didn't think so. Because of your hatred, you're sounding quite dumb. Dumb Donny doesn't realize that Florida is a big state. From Central Florida to that corner of the state is 400 miles. Sheesh! Well, get your wife/mommy to write your name, address& phone number on a tag to be attached to your shirt. You'll be ok...some kind soul will send you home. |
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wrote: On Sep 19, 2:32 pm, "Don White" wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... wrote: Sorry to pull this OT but I'm coming up your way from Central Florida. If I take 75 and I 10 would there be any road or traffic problems for a large RV? Any interesting scenery or stops along that route? The destination is Destin beach area. I also mapped out going via 19/98. I'd like the same information for that route. I might rent a small boat in Destin for a day.Do you have any suggestions on that? Thanks, Jim You live there & still don't know your way around? Don, you live in Canada, do you know every place to go there? Do you know everything to do there? Do you know every place do eat there? I didn't think so. Because of your hatred, you're sounding quite dumb. Dumb Donny doesn't realize that Florida is a big state. From Central Florida to that corner of the state is 400 miles. Sheesh! So? How long have you lived in Florida? I lived in the state for about five years and visited all over it. |
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"Arrrrgh!" wrote in message ... " I've hauled boats up and down I-75 and east and west along I-10. Why someone would think there might be a "road problem" for hauling around a land cruiser is beyond me." This, from the guy who lectures and critizes everyone about towing boats. His experience consists of "hauling" a dinky little SeaPro behind a fairy Ford Ranger "Splash". He writes of his insistance on flying instead of driving or boating. But now, he's an expert on road travel, towing a boat or driving an RV. Holy crap, what an ass. Eisboch |
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wrote in message ... The trouble is that even if a structure is built to resist the forces of a 200mph wind, it isn't practical to build one to resist the forces of wind blown debris. Once you have compromised the wall, which is acting as a diaphram to resist those wind forces with wind blown debris, bad things start happening quickly. --------------------------------------- Yep. The house we had in Florida was built in the late 90's and was designed to withstand 150 mph winds. The house structure was fine. But during one of the 3 hurricanes that hit back in 2002-2003, the double door "French Doorway" opened during a gust. The rest was history. Totally destroyed much of the interior, blowing open three more double doors to the outside. If the main, double door had held tight, minimal damage to the house would have occurred. Eisboch |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:28:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Arrrrgh!" wrote in message ... " I've hauled boats up and down I-75 and east and west along I-10. Why someone would think there might be a "road problem" for hauling around a land cruiser is beyond me." This, from the guy who lectures and critizes everyone about towing boats. His experience consists of "hauling" a dinky little SeaPro behind a fairy Ford Ranger "Splash". He writes of his insistance on flying instead of driving or boating. But now, he's an expert on road travel, towing a boat or driving an RV. Holy crap, what an ass. Eisboch Again. Unreal. -- John H. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Arrrrgh!" wrote in message ... " I've hauled boats up and down I-75 and east and west along I-10. Why someone would think there might be a "road problem" for hauling around a land cruiser is beyond me." This, from the guy who lectures and critizes everyone about towing boats. His experience consists of "hauling" a dinky little SeaPro behind a fairy Ford Ranger "Splash". He writes of his insistance on flying instead of driving or boating. But now, he's an expert on road travel, towing a boat or driving an RV. Holy crap, what an ass. Eisboch I commuted on I-10 from Jacksonville to Tallahassee almost every other weekend. Several times I towed my 19' SeaPro to the Panacea area. There were hundreds of big RVs, buses, and trucks on I-10 highway all the time. It's an easy, straight, almost hill-less drive. I'll give you a C for effort on this one, though. |
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On Sep 19, 9:39*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message ... The trouble is that even if a structure is built to resist the forces of a 200mph wind, it isn't practical to build one to resist the forces of wind blown debris. Once you have compromised the wall, which is acting as a diaphram to resist those wind forces with wind blown debris, bad things start happening quickly. --------------------------------------- Yep. *The house we had in Florida was built in the late 90's and was designed to withstand 150 mph winds. The house structure was fine. *But during one of the 3 hurricanes that hit back in 2002-2003, the double door "French Doorway" opened during a gust. The rest was history. * Totally destroyed much of the interior, blowing open three more double doors to the outside. If the main, double door had held tight, minimal damage to the house would have occurred. Eisboch A hit on any piece of unprotected or improperly secured door or window opening on a 200 mph rated structure will indeed impact on the integrity of the structure. And? |
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On Sep 19, 10:00*pm, JimH wrote:
On Sep 19, 9:39*pm, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message .... The trouble is that even if a structure is built to resist the forces of a 200mph wind, it isn't practical to build one to resist the forces of wind blown debris. Once you have compromised the wall, which is acting as a diaphram to resist those wind forces with wind blown debris, bad things start happening quickly. --------------------------------------- Yep. *The house we had in Florida was built in the late 90's and was designed to withstand 150 mph winds. The house structure was fine. *But during one of the 3 hurricanes that hit back in 2002-2003, the double door "French Doorway" opened during a gust. |
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On Sep 19, 10:26 pm, wrote:
On Sep 19, 10:00 pm, JimH wrote: On Sep 19, 9:39 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... The trouble is that even if a structure is built to resist the forces of a 200mph wind, it isn't practical to build one to resist the forces of wind blown debris. Once you have compromised the wall, which is acting as a diaphram to resist those wind forces with wind blown debris, bad things start happening quickly. --------------------------------------- Yep. The house we had in Florida was built in the late 90's and was designed to withstand 150 mph winds. The house structure was fine. But during one of the 3 hurricanes that hit back in 2002-2003, the double door "French Doorway" opened during a gust. The rest was history. Totally destroyed much of the interior, blowing open three more double doors to the outside. If the main, double door had held tight, minimal damage to the house would have occurred. Eisboch A hit on any piece of unprotected or improperly secured door or window opening on a 200 mph rated structure will indeed impact on the integrity of the structure. Hilarious. JimH, the Ohio idiot, is now an expert on hurricane rated structures. What a laugh. Real Florida natives do not live on the coast, we have better sense. The coast moves around and a 20' surge can ruin things. FL Crackers who needed to be at the coast to fish for mullet would have frame houses with the electrical stuff coming from the ceiling in case of flooding and none of that dry wall either, and insulation, hell, this is FL. They'd furnish it from a rummage sale and when it flooded you'd see all the mattresses being burned and then they'd go to another rummage sale. Now, these fools have homes worth millions of dollars in a place where they are guaranteed to get hit and they expect me o help pay their insurance, morons. AS far as things o see here, Thank God ppl are stupid enough to think Disney or MGM is great cuz it keeps em away from the good stuff. Put razor wire along I-75 and dont let em out of the Miami-Orlando-Atlanta corridor. Tourist, pay yer money and git souvenirs of plastic alligators from China, THEN GO HOME. |
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On Sep 19, 11:33 pm, wrote:
On Sep 19, 10:26 pm, wrote: On Sep 19, 10:00 pm, JimH wrote: On Sep 19, 9:39 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... The trouble is that even if a structure is built to resist the forces of a 200mph wind, it isn't practical to build one to resist the forces of wind blown debris. Once you have compromised the wall, which is acting as a diaphram to resist those wind forces with wind blown debris, bad things start happening quickly. --------------------------------------- Yep. The house we had in Florida was built in the late 90's and was designed to withstand 150 mph winds. The house structure was fine. But during one of the 3 hurricanes that hit back in 2002-2003, the double door "French Doorway" opened during a gust. The rest was history. Totally destroyed much of the interior, blowing open three more double doors to the outside. If the main, double door had held tight, minimal damage to the house would have occurred. Eisboch A hit on any piece of unprotected or improperly secured door or window opening on a 200 mph rated structure will indeed impact on the integrity of the structure. Hilarious. JimH, the Ohio idiot, is now an expert on hurricane rated structures. What a laugh. Real Florida natives do not live on the coast, we have better sense. The coast moves around and a 20' surge can ruin things. FL Crackers who needed to be at the coast to fish for mullet would have frame houses with the electrical stuff coming from the ceiling in case of flooding and none of that dry wall either, and insulation, hell, this is FL. They'd furnish it from a rummage sale and when it flooded you'd see all the mattresses being burned and then they'd go to another rummage sale. Now, these fools have homes worth millions of dollars in a place where they are guaranteed to get hit and they expect me o help pay their insurance, morons. AS far as things o see here, Thank God ppl are stupid enough to think Disney or MGM is great cuz it keeps em away from the good stuff. Put razor wire along I-75 and dont let em out of the Miami-Orlando-Atlanta corridor. Tourist, pay yer money and git souvenirs of plastic alligators from China, THEN GO HOME. And another thing, the closest you'll get me to Canada is a friggin snow globe. (I hope y'all aren't taking me seriously) |
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wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 10:00 pm, JimH wrote: What an idiot. In the first place, structures aren't "rated" for a particular wind speed. ------------------------------ Really? I was under the impression that building codes, particularly in Florida, have specific requirements on wind speed ratings. Newer codes are higher than those of 20 years ago. I know that when we decided to add an aluminum framed, screen enclousure on the pool we had beside the Florida house, we ran into a bee's nest of permitting regulations and requirements. In order to have any part of the enclousure attach to any part of the house or deck, we were required to get a professional structural engineer, certified in Florida, to approve it, including modifications required to ensure that the method of construction and attachment met current codes. The criteria was wind speed, and I believe at the time it was 150 mph. This was in addition to having the screen enclousure frame itself to be designed to 150 mph wind. They didn't care about the screening .... in fact it is designed to blow out at a certain wind speed, reducing the sail effect on the aluminum frame. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 10:00 pm, JimH wrote: What an idiot. In the first place, structures aren't "rated" for a particular wind speed. ------------------------------ Really? I was under the impression that building codes, particularly in Florida, have specific requirements on wind speed ratings. Newer codes are higher than those of 20 years ago. I know that when we decided to add an aluminum framed, screen enclousure on the pool we had beside the Florida house, we ran into a bee's nest of permitting regulations and requirements. In order to have any part of the enclousure attach to any part of the house or deck, we were required to get a professional structural engineer, certified in Florida, to approve it, including modifications required to ensure that the method of construction and attachment met current codes. The criteria was wind speed, and I believe at the time it was 150 mph. This was in addition to having the screen enclousure frame itself to be designed to 150 mph wind. They didn't care about the screening .... in fact it is designed to blow out at a certain wind speed, reducing the sail effect on the aluminum frame. Eisboch Justwaitaloogy is playing semantics. I believe the terms are "wind load" and "wind load rating." |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 10:00 pm, JimH wrote: What an idiot. In the first place, structures aren't "rated" for a particular wind speed. ------------------------------ Really? I was under the impression that building codes, particularly in Florida, have specific requirements on wind speed ratings. Newer codes are higher than those of 20 years ago. I know that when we decided to add an aluminum framed, screen enclousure on the pool we had beside the Florida house, we ran into a bee's nest of permitting regulations and requirements. In order to have any part of the enclousure attach to any part of the house or deck, we were required to get a professional structural engineer, certified in Florida, to approve it, including modifications required to ensure that the method of construction and attachment met current codes. The criteria was wind speed, and I believe at the time it was 150 mph. This was in addition to having the screen enclousure frame itself to be designed to 150 mph wind. They didn't care about the screening .... in fact it is designed to blow out at a certain wind speed, reducing the sail effect on the aluminum frame. Eisboch There was a statewide building code enacted in 2001 I think. In it there were a lot of more stringent specs on windows, doors,shingles,truss tiedowns ect. Pool screens had enhanced specs written too. Countys could make any of those specs more stringent to suit their needs. Most of the hurricane damage you see nowadays is to older homes (pre 2001) and to mobile/manufactured homes . Did your double doors open in as you would normally expect, or did they open outward? Mine open outward and someone said to me that's part of the new codes. I didn't bother to verify that. |
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On Sep 20, 9:50*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 10:00 pm, JimH wrote: What an idiot. In the first place, structures aren't "rated" for a particular wind speed. ------------------------------ Really? I was under the impression that building codes, particularly in Florida, have specific requirements on wind speed ratings. Newer codes are higher than those of 20 years ago. I know that when we decided to add an aluminum framed, screen enclousure on the pool we had beside the Florida house, we ran into a bee's nest of permitting regulations and requirements. *In order to have any part of the enclousure attach to any part of the house or deck, we were required to get a professional structural engineer, certified in Florida, to approve it, including modifications required to ensure that the method of construction and attachment met current codes. *The criteria was wind speed, and I believe at the time it was 150 mph. * This was in addition to having the screen enclousure frame itself to be designed to 150 mph wind. They didn't care about the screening .... in fact it is designed to blow out at a certain wind speed, reducing the sail effect on the aluminum frame. Eisboch While a structure is designed using specific wind data, in Florida's case, the FBC basically the IBC with amendments, and the IBC uses ASCE 7-05 which most building codes use, and those wind maps are based on 100 year data. BUT a structure isn't "rated" by anyone, unless a private entity, say the builder, decides to do so to make a selling point. Here is why. Let's say we have a wind of a certain speed and a certain direction blowing on a rectangular building. Even though the speed is constant (here's where we show Harry and JimH don't know ****~!) the wind PRESSURE is NOT constant. Have you ever seen a mobile home on the side of the highway where part of the siding has blown off when towing? Notice where the siding fails nine out of ten times. The rear corner. Negative pressure from the wind coming around that corner has sucked the siding off! In short, the windward wall has a postive pressure of X amount, the leeward wall has a negative pressure of Y amount, they are hardly ever the same value. Then you have the roof. Slope, wind direction, area, etc. all have an affect on the PRESSURE. In short, we are really designing for this negative and positive pressure as opposed to wind speed. We simply use data in the form of wind speed to mathematically arrive at those pressures. And it goes further, terrain makes a big impact, as well as nearby structure. |
damn fools building on the beach
"Raphael" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 10:00 pm, JimH wrote: What an idiot. In the first place, structures aren't "rated" for a particular wind speed. ------------------------------ Really? I was under the impression that building codes, particularly in Florida, have specific requirements on wind speed ratings. Newer codes are higher than those of 20 years ago. I know that when we decided to add an aluminum framed, screen enclousure on the pool we had beside the Florida house, we ran into a bee's nest of permitting regulations and requirements. In order to have any part of the enclousure attach to any part of the house or deck, we were required to get a professional structural engineer, certified in Florida, to approve it, including modifications required to ensure that the method of construction and attachment met current codes. The criteria was wind speed, and I believe at the time it was 150 mph. This was in addition to having the screen enclousure frame itself to be designed to 150 mph wind. They didn't care about the screening .... in fact it is designed to blow out at a certain wind speed, reducing the sail effect on the aluminum frame. Eisboch There was a statewide building code enacted in 2001 I think. In it there were a lot of more stringent specs on windows, doors,shingles,truss tiedowns ect. Pool screens had enhanced specs written too. Countys could make any of those specs more stringent to suit their needs. Most of the hurricane damage you see nowadays is to older homes (pre 2001) and to mobile/manufactured homes . Did your double doors open in as you would normally expect, or did they open outward? Mine open outward and someone said to me that's part of the new codes. I didn't bother to verify that. That was the problem. If you recall, the main front doors opened inward. All the rest of the double doors (there were two downstairs and one off the master bedroom upstairs) opened outward. The wind blew the front doors open, inward and the whole house then became a whirlwind, blowing the other doors open outward. I think that house was built in 1998 or thereabouts. Anyway, the repairs included a new, double door entry that opened outward. That damage was cause by the first of the three hurricanes that year. Wilma, the last and worst in terms of wind, caused very little damage, mainly because previous damage had been fixed to new code standards. I am still amazed that all those floor to ceiling windows in the main living room held. I still think it was because we had window tinting film on them. Eisboch |
damn fools building on the beach
wrote in message ... While a structure is designed using specific wind data, in Florida's case, the FBC basically the IBC with amendments, and the IBC uses ASCE 7-05 which most building codes use, and those wind maps are based on 100 year data. BUT a structure isn't "rated" by anyone, unless a private entity, say the builder, decides to do so to make a selling point. Here is why. Let's say we have a wind of a certain speed and a certain direction blowing on a rectangular building. Even though the speed is constant (here's where we show Harry and JimH don't know ****~!) the wind PRESSURE is NOT constant. Have you ever seen a mobile home on the side of the highway where part of the siding has blown off when towing? Notice where the siding fails nine out of ten times. The rear corner. Negative pressure from the wind coming around that corner has sucked the siding off! In short, the windward wall has a postive pressure of X amount, the leeward wall has a negative pressure of Y amount, they are hardly ever the same value. Then you have the roof. Slope, wind direction, area, etc. all have an affect on the PRESSURE. In short, we are really designing for this negative and positive pressure as opposed to wind speed. We simply use data in the form of wind speed to mathematically arrive at those pressures. And it goes further, terrain makes a big impact, as well as nearby structure. --------------------------------------------- Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense. Apparently to us laypeople, they simply tell us it has to be designed for XXX amount of wind speed. Eisboch |
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