On Sep 16, 1:29*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

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On Sep 15, 10:37 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message
gee. let me sing the standard GOP song.

these 25,000 people were lazy. they were failures. no wonder they
deserved to be fired. it has NOTHING to do with the WONDERFUL ability
of corporate management to run the business.

it's all their fault. they are, after all, middle class...that is, in
and of itself, proof of their incompetence.

HP bought EDS. There are lots of redundant positions. Happens all the time
when two companies merge. If they needed the 25k people they would keep
them. They fire people just because they want to? Idiot!

puppet. doesn't do much for the standard party song that, if you work
hard, you'll have a good, secure job, does it?

unless, of course, you're a CEO

Where does it state you get a job for life? *CEO's get canned also.

ah, yes, they do. of course, when a middle class person, with family,
children and a home gets laid off she get unemployment

the CEO gets a $40M golden parachute, free health care, servants and a
free house.

you're right; i feel sorry for them.

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:29 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

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On Sep 15, 10:37 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message
gee. let me sing the standard GOP song.
these 25,000 people were lazy. they were failures. no wonder they
deserved to be fired. it has NOTHING to do with the WONDERFUL ability
of corporate management to run the business.
it's all their fault. they are, after all, middle class...that is, in
and of itself, proof of their incompetence.
HP bought EDS. There are lots of redundant positions. Happens all the time
when two companies merge. If they needed the 25k people they would keep
them. They fire people just because they want to? Idiot!
puppet. doesn't do much for the standard party song that, if you work
hard, you'll have a good, secure job, does it?

unless, of course, you're a CEO

Where does it state you get a job for life? CEO's get canned also.

ah, yes, they do. of course, when a middle class person, with family,
children and a home gets laid off she get unemployment

the CEO gets a $40M golden parachute, free health care, servants and a
free house.

you're right; i feel sorry for them.



We do a great job in this country of discarding workers by the side of
the road.

"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 1:29 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

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On Sep 15, 10:37 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message
gee. let me sing the standard GOP song.

these 25,000 people were lazy. they were failures. no wonder they
deserved to be fired. it has NOTHING to do with the WONDERFUL ability
of corporate management to run the business.

it's all their fault. they are, after all, middle class...that is, in
and of itself, proof of their incompetence.

HP bought EDS. There are lots of redundant positions. Happens all the
time
when two companies merge. If they needed the 25k people they would keep
them. They fire people just because they want to? Idiot!

puppet. doesn't do much for the standard party song that, if you work
hard, you'll have a good, secure job, does it?

unless, of course, you're a CEO

Where does it state you get a job for life? CEO's get canned also.

ah, yes, they do. of course, when a middle class person, with family,
children and a home gets laid off she get unemployment

the CEO gets a $40M golden parachute, free health care, servants and a
free house.

you're right; i feel sorry for them.

Jealous? Not all get a golden parachute.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"wf3h" wrote in message
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the CEO gets a $40M golden parachute, free health care, servants and a
free house.

you're right; i feel sorry for them.



Jealous? Not all get a golden parachute.


Of course they all don't, but in some circles perpetuating that kind of spin
keeps the myth going and the mud flying.

They also don't seem to realize that whatever perks, golden parachutes, pay,
bonuses, etc. are negotiated up front as part of the CEO's employment
contract. Critics should be focusing their outrage on the people (usually
the Board of Directors) who approve these contracts, not the people that get
them. But, guess who the Board of Directors work for? The stockholders.
So, it comes full circle.

I'd love to see certain people refuse a job contract like that, in the far
fetched concept that it would ever be offered to them.

EIsboch

On Sep 16, 9:58*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

m...



"wf3h" wrote in message
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the CEO gets a $40M golden parachute, free health care, servants and a
free house.

you're right; i feel sorry for them.

Jealous? *Not all get a golden parachute.

Of course they all don't, but in some circles perpetuating that kind of spin
keeps the myth going and the mud flying.

They also don't seem to realize that whatever perks, golden parachutes, pay,
bonuses, etc. are negotiated up front as part of the CEO's employment
contract. * Critics should be focusing their outrage on the people (usually
the Board of Directors) who approve these contracts, not the people that get
them. *But, guess who the Board of Directors work for? *The stockholders.
So, it comes full circle.

I'd love to see certain people refuse a job contract like that, in the far
fetched concept that it would ever be offered to them.

EIsboch

That makes it right?

Pure bull.

"JimH" wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 9:58 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

m...



"wf3h" wrote in message
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the CEO gets a $40M golden parachute, free health care, servants and a
free house.

you're right; i feel sorry for them.

Jealous? Not all get a golden parachute.

Of course they all don't, but in some circles perpetuating that kind of
spin
keeps the myth going and the mud flying.

They also don't seem to realize that whatever perks, golden parachutes,
pay,
bonuses, etc. are negotiated up front as part of the CEO's employment
contract. Critics should be focusing their outrage on the people (usually
the Board of Directors) who approve these contracts, not the people that
get
them. But, guess who the Board of Directors work for? The stockholders.
So, it comes full circle.

I'd love to see certain people refuse a job contract like that, in the far
fetched concept that it would ever be offered to them.

EIsboch

That makes it right?

Pure bull.

Who said it is right. If someone offered you a job and said if they have to
fire you for most any reason, They will give you $50 million, you would turn
down the contract, and say nope? Unemployment is enough for me. Ha! Part
of the problem is the SEC who does not really protect the stockholder via
some of the voting rights, and the huge State Pension Funds and mutual funds
who do not toss a BOD of 2 when they offer these packages. Would end the
practice quickly.

Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...
"wf3h" wrote in message
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the CEO gets a $40M golden parachute, free health care, servants and a
free house.

you're right; i feel sorry for them.



Jealous? Not all get a golden parachute.


Of course they all don't, but in some circles perpetuating that kind of spin
keeps the myth going and the mud flying.

They also don't seem to realize that whatever perks, golden parachutes, pay,
bonuses, etc. are negotiated up front as part of the CEO's employment
contract. Critics should be focusing their outrage on the people (usually
the Board of Directors) who approve these contracts, not the people that get
them. But, guess who the Board of Directors work for? The stockholders.
So, it comes full circle.

I'd love to see certain people refuse a job contract like that, in the far
fetched concept that it would ever be offered to them.

EIsboch





Those comp packages are just symptoms of the disease of greed that has
infected corporate culture and is part and parcel of the current wall
street meltdown.

I wouldn't have bailed out AIG with taxpayer money. Why the hell should
I give a damn if AIG's shareholders lose their shirts on a badly run
company. The shareholders should have bailed a long time ago. My
taxdollars should be spent to buy that company time to liquidate?

The company should have been busted up, with its insurance assets and
policies divided among other insurance companies, with the actual
working employees following the business along to the new companies, or
being offered reasonable severance and retraining programs. The execs
who guided the company into the grave should have been given two weeks
to clear out their desks.

It's amazing how capitalistic corporations are until they want or need
socialism.

"A Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...
"wf3h" wrote in message
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the CEO gets a $40M golden parachute, free health care, servants and a
free house.

you're right; i feel sorry for them.



Jealous? Not all get a golden parachute.


Of course they all don't, but in some circles perpetuating that kind of
spin keeps the myth going and the mud flying.

They also don't seem to realize that whatever perks, golden parachutes,
pay, bonuses, etc. are negotiated up front as part of the CEO's
employment contract. Critics should be focusing their outrage on the
people (usually the Board of Directors) who approve these contracts, not
the people that get them. But, guess who the Board of Directors work
for? The stockholders. So, it comes full circle.

I'd love to see certain people refuse a job contract like that, in the
far fetched concept that it would ever be offered to them.

EIsboch





Those comp packages are just symptoms of the disease of greed that has
infected corporate culture and is part and parcel of the current wall
street meltdown.

I wouldn't have bailed out AIG with taxpayer money. Why the hell should I
give a damn if AIG's shareholders lose their shirts on a badly run
company. The shareholders should have bailed a long time ago. My
taxdollars should be spent to buy that company time to liquidate?

The company should have been busted up, with its insurance assets and
policies divided among other insurance companies, with the actual working
employees following the business along to the new companies, or being
offered reasonable severance and retraining programs. The execs who guided
the company into the grave should have been given two weeks to clear out
their desks.

It's amazing how capitalistic corporations are until they want or need
socialism.

They do not have an ASSET problem which would be a bankruptcy problem. They
have a liquidity problem. With the meltdown, they can not do the ordinary
business of selling assets to cover the operating money. Since the
government is also getting warrants with the loan, We the people may make a
bundle on AIG. Not the same with a lot of the other bailouts, like Fannie
Mae, etc.