John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac runs
higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC
copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current
initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then
replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than
rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the
connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're
probably not qualified to go any deeper.


Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is the
poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature can rise
back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure bleeds off.

But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage.

Eisboch


I'm hoping you're correct!

But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a
bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit
breaker first.

Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it could
get costly.

You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30 amps
AC and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning you have
to break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the Air
Conditioner unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being hardwired, you
can use an adapter with the clamp on pickup or a killowatt type of
device to take readings.

"jim" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac
runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC
copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current
initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then
replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than
rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the
connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're
probably not qualified to go any deeper.


Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is
the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature
can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure
bleeds off.

But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage.

Eisboch

I'm hoping you're correct!

But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a
bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit
breaker first.

Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it could get
costly.

You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30 amps AC
and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning you have to
break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the Air Conditioner
unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being hardwired, you can use an
adapter with the clamp on pickup or a killowatt type of device to take
readings.




Heh .... I drafted a post for John, describing the old Navy "Easter Egging"
technique of troubleshooting,
and recommended he do a more logical series of tests, but then I realized
that people need to do what they need to do, so I deleted the post.

I doubt very much his circuit breaker is bad. Could be wrong, but there are
other things I'd check first.

But, I have a feeling he's going to claim the problem as being fixed after
he replaces it. For a while. Then, sometime in the future when conditions
are similar to that he wrote about, the problem will return.

Eisboch

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:01:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"jim" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac
runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC
copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current
initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then
replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than
rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the
connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're
probably not qualified to go any deeper.


Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is
the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature
can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure
bleeds off.

But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage.

Eisboch

I'm hoping you're correct!

But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a
bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit
breaker first.

Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it could get
costly.

You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30 amps AC
and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning you have to
break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the Air Conditioner
unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being hardwired, you can use an
adapter with the clamp on pickup or a killowatt type of device to take
readings.




Heh .... I drafted a post for John, describing the old Navy "Easter Egging"
technique of troubleshooting,
and recommended he do a more logical series of tests, but then I realized
that people need to do what they need to do, so I deleted the post.

I doubt very much his circuit breaker is bad. Could be wrong, but there are
other things I'd check first.

But, I have a feeling he's going to claim the problem as being fixed after
he replaces it. For a while. Then, sometime in the future when conditions
are similar to that he wrote about, the problem will return.

Eisboch


Give me a break! I don't usually make a lot of claims that aren't
true. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

The new circuit breaker costs $12 bucks. I won't know if that's the
problem until we get another 95 degree day. If the problem returns,
then I'll know it wasn't the circuit breaker.

Unlike some other folks, I have no problem with being wrong. If the
problem reoccurs, I'll let you know.

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:15:01 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Unlike some other folks, I have no problem with being wrong. If the
problem reoccurs, I'll let you know.

As others have mentioned, the two most likely causes are either low
voltage or insufficient anti-cycling delay in the condenser
controller.

Excessive cycling can be caused by poor air flow among other things -
clogged filter, fan speed too low, etc.

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:01:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac
runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC
copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current
initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then
replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than
rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the
connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're
probably not qualified to go any deeper.

Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is
the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature
can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure
bleeds off.

But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage.

Eisboch
I'm hoping you're correct!

But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a
bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit
breaker first.
Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it could get
costly.

You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30 amps AC
and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning you have to
break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the Air Conditioner
unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being hardwired, you can use an
adapter with the clamp on pickup or a killowatt type of device to take
readings.



Heh .... I drafted a post for John, describing the old Navy "Easter Egging"
technique of troubleshooting,
and recommended he do a more logical series of tests, but then I realized
that people need to do what they need to do, so I deleted the post.

I doubt very much his circuit breaker is bad. Could be wrong, but there are
other things I'd check first.

But, I have a feeling he's going to claim the problem as being fixed after
he replaces it. For a while. Then, sometime in the future when conditions
are similar to that he wrote about, the problem will return.

Eisboch


Give me a break! I don't usually make a lot of claims that aren't
true. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

The new circuit breaker costs $12 bucks. I won't know if that's the
problem until we get another 95 degree day. If the problem returns,
then I'll know it wasn't the circuit breaker.

Unlike some other folks, I have no problem with being wrong. If the
problem reoccurs, I'll let you know.

I think he meant because of cooler weather, you will think it is cured.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:01:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps
ac runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the
compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they
need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the
correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when
they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout
will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None
of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not
qualified to go any deeper.

Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers
is the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the
temperature can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before
the head pressure bleeds off.

But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage.

Eisboch
I'm hoping you're correct!

But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a
bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit
breaker first.
Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it
could get costly.

You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30
amps AC and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning
you have to break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the
Air Conditioner unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being
hardwired, you can use an adapter with the clamp on pickup or a
killowatt type of device to take readings.



Heh .... I drafted a post for John, describing the old Navy "Easter
Egging" technique of troubleshooting,
and recommended he do a more logical series of tests, but then I
realized that people need to do what they need to do, so I deleted
the post.

I doubt very much his circuit breaker is bad. Could be wrong, but
there are other things I'd check first.

But, I have a feeling he's going to claim the problem as being fixed
after he replaces it. For a while. Then, sometime in the future
when conditions are similar to that he wrote about, the problem will
return.

Eisboch

Give me a break! I don't usually make a lot of claims that aren't
true. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

The new circuit breaker costs $12 bucks. I won't know if that's the
problem until we get another 95 degree day. If the problem returns,
then I'll know it wasn't the circuit breaker.
Unlike some other folks, I have no problem with being wrong. If the
problem reoccurs, I'll let you know.

I think he meant because of cooler weather, you will think it is cured.


Herring was an injineeeear but doesn't know anything about electricity?

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:54:11 -0400, A Boater wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:01:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps
ac runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the
compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they
need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the
correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when
they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout
will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None
of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not
qualified to go any deeper.

Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers
is the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the
temperature can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before
the head pressure bleeds off.

But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage.

Eisboch
I'm hoping you're correct!

But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a
bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit
breaker first.
Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it
could get costly.

You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30
amps AC and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning
you have to break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the
Air Conditioner unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being
hardwired, you can use an adapter with the clamp on pickup or a
killowatt type of device to take readings.



Heh .... I drafted a post for John, describing the old Navy "Easter
Egging" technique of troubleshooting,
and recommended he do a more logical series of tests, but then I
realized that people need to do what they need to do, so I deleted
the post.

I doubt very much his circuit breaker is bad. Could be wrong, but
there are other things I'd check first.

But, I have a feeling he's going to claim the problem as being fixed
after he replaces it. For a while. Then, sometime in the future
when conditions are similar to that he wrote about, the problem will
return.

Eisboch

Give me a break! I don't usually make a lot of claims that aren't
true. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

The new circuit breaker costs $12 bucks. I won't know if that's the
problem until we get another 95 degree day. If the problem returns,
then I'll know it wasn't the circuit breaker.
Unlike some other folks, I have no problem with being wrong. If the
problem reoccurs, I'll let you know.

I think he meant because of cooler weather, you will think it is cured.


Herring was an injineeeear but doesn't know anything about electricity?

Goodandplenty, goodandplenty, goodandplenty. WOOOOO- Wooooooo!

Yep, he was an engineer, alright.

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:45:03 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:01:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac
runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC
copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current
initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then
replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than
rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the
connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're
probably not qualified to go any deeper.

Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is
the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature
can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure
bleeds off.

But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage.

Eisboch
I'm hoping you're correct!

But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a
bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit
breaker first.
Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it could get
costly.

You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30 amps AC
and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning you have to
break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the Air Conditioner
unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being hardwired, you can use an
adapter with the clamp on pickup or a killowatt type of device to take
readings.



Heh .... I drafted a post for John, describing the old Navy "Easter Egging"
technique of troubleshooting,
and recommended he do a more logical series of tests, but then I realized
that people need to do what they need to do, so I deleted the post.

I doubt very much his circuit breaker is bad. Could be wrong, but there are
other things I'd check first.

But, I have a feeling he's going to claim the problem as being fixed after
he replaces it. For a while. Then, sometime in the future when conditions
are similar to that he wrote about, the problem will return.

Eisboch


Give me a break! I don't usually make a lot of claims that aren't
true. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

The new circuit breaker costs $12 bucks. I won't know if that's the
problem until we get another 95 degree day. If the problem returns,
then I'll know it wasn't the circuit breaker.

Unlike some other folks, I have no problem with being wrong. If the
problem reoccurs, I'll let you know.

I think he meant because of cooler weather, you will think it is cured.

Hopefully, it's straightened out.

I obviously can't test it until I get a 95 degree day with high humidity,
which isn't going to happen until next summer unless I go to Disney World
in December.

Hell, I've been told about 14 things to look for, test, buy or otherwise do
in hopes of fixing the problem. So far I've done three or four. Replacing
the circuit breaker was one of the first things I was told, by several
people, including my BIL who runs an appliance store in Richmond and was on
scene when the problem appeared.


--
John H.

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:45:03 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:01:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac
runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC
copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current
initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then
replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than
rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the
connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're
probably not qualified to go any deeper.

Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is
the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature
can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure
bleeds off.

But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage.

Eisboch
I'm hoping you're correct!

But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a
bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit
breaker first.
Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it could get
costly.

You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30 amps AC
and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning you have to
break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the Air Conditioner
unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being hardwired, you can use an
adapter with the clamp on pickup or a killowatt type of device to take
readings.


Heh .... I drafted a post for John, describing the old Navy "Easter Egging"
technique of troubleshooting,
and recommended he do a more logical series of tests, but then I realized
that people need to do what they need to do, so I deleted the post.

I doubt very much his circuit breaker is bad. Could be wrong, but there are
other things I'd check first.

But, I have a feeling he's going to claim the problem as being fixed after
he replaces it. For a while. Then, sometime in the future when conditions
are similar to that he wrote about, the problem will return.

Eisboch

Give me a break! I don't usually make a lot of claims that aren't
true. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

The new circuit breaker costs $12 bucks. I won't know if that's the
problem until we get another 95 degree day. If the problem returns,
then I'll know it wasn't the circuit breaker.

Unlike some other folks, I have no problem with being wrong. If the
problem reoccurs, I'll let you know.
I think he meant because of cooler weather, you will think it is cured.

Hopefully, it's straightened out.

I obviously can't test it until I get a 95 degree day with high humidity,
which isn't going to happen until next summer unless I go to Disney World
in December.

Hell, I've been told about 14 things to look for, test, buy or otherwise do
in hopes of fixing the problem. So far I've done three or four. Replacing
the circuit breaker was one of the first things I was told, by several
people, including my BIL who runs an appliance store in Richmond and was on
scene when the problem appeared.


You won't likely see 95 degrees at Disney in December. In fact 95
Degrees is rare anytime during the year.