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McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message ... Curly Surmudgeon wrote: :On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:07:11 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote: : : hk wrote: : : :Fred J. McCall wrote: : : wf3h wrote: : : : : : :c'mon harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says makes : : :you middle class? : : : : : : : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be : : increased. : : : : You WANT to pay more taxes? I think we need a program that lets you : : folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of us... : : : : : :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be : :paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. : : : : Why? : :The proper question, to both of you, is "Why should the rich pay _more_ OR :_less_ than the poor?" : And the answer is "they shouldn't". Income tax should essentially be like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the income ONCE). yes they should. they get more ao they pay more. taxes aren't punishment as you wingnuts like to pretend. its what keeps the country running. you take more you pay more. |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message ... "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." -- Charles Pinckney of course when mr pinckney uttered that famous line we were paying the barbary pirates not to attack our ships |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:46:06 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote: :On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:07:11 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote: : : hk wrote: : : :Fred J. McCall wrote: : : wf3h wrote: : : : : : :c'mon harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says makes : : :you middle class? : : : : : : : : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be : : increased. : : : : You WANT to pay more taxes? I think we need a program that lets you : : folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of us... : : : : : :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be : :paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. : : : : : Why? : :The proper question, to both of you, is "Why should the rich pay _more_ :OR _less_ than the poor?" : : And the answer is "they shouldn't". Income tax should essentially be like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the income ONCE). Agreed. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bush, Plunderer In Chief ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:05:55 -0400, Raymond O'Hara wrote:
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message ... Curly Surmudgeon wrote: :On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:07:11 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote: : : hk wrote: : : :Fred J. McCall wrote: : : wf3h wrote: : : : : : :c'mon harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says : : :makes you middle class? : : : : : : : : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be : : increased. : : : : You WANT to pay more taxes? I think we need a program that lets : : you folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of : : us... : : : : : :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to : :be paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. : : : : : Why? : :The proper question, to both of you, is "Why should the rich pay _more_ OR :_less_ than the poor?" : : And the answer is "they shouldn't". Income tax should essentially be like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the income ONCE). yes they should. they get more ao they pay more. taxes aren't punishment as you wingnuts like to pretend. its what keeps the country running. you take more you pay more. Supporting a level playing field is not a sign of being a "wingnut." Giving the rich tax avoidance legislation or a "progressive" taxation in which the least productive become trapped on welfare. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bush, Plunderer In Chief ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message ... Curly Surmudgeon wrote: : :What does orientation or sexual preference have to do with McCain's lies? : What lies would those be? : :McCain, the "straight talker" took on Karl Rove as an advisor : Speaking of lies, there's one. Just when did this happen? yeah he only hired all of roves boys, just like rive never talks to bush those guys never talk to rove. oh and by the way, rove is an advisor for mccain Karl Rove, the president's top political hand since his Texas days, recently gave money to McCain and soon after had a private conversation with the senator. A top McCain adviser said both Mehlman and Rove are now informally advising the campaign. Rove refused to detail his conversation with McCain. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...6F9CBBFFC54DE3 : :... and now his campaign has gone negative, : But not until after all the smears from the other side going into the Republican Convention. you like all republicans have an amazing ability to deny the facts. and now that obama is finally fighting back against the many and legion lies coming from the mccain camp its the dems going negative. |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
"David E. Powell" wrote in message ... Baba Wawa acted like her servants delivered her cold coffee or something. What a maroon. Why, because she called McCain out on his lies? |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sep 13, 1:07*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote: :Fred J. McCall wrote: : wf3h wrote: : : : :c'mon *harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says makes : :you middle class? : : : : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be : increased. : : You WANT to pay more taxes? *I think we need a program that lets you : folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of us... : : :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be :paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. : Why? -- why not? the largest increase in marginal tax rates occurs on the middle class. the wealthy get a tax rate of 15% on capital gains (which is alot less than the middle class pays) AND gets to write off losses. they get the best of all worlds. |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Sep 12, 3:29 pm, HK wrote: John McCain McCain Gets an Earful on 'The View' By Robert Barnes and Michael D. Shear Washington Post First Republican presidential nominee John McCain told the hosts of ABC's "The View" today that his running mate Sarah Palin had never sought earmarks from Congress while she was governor of Alaska, even though she had in fact asked for about $200 million for projects in her state and employed a lobbyist to help. McCain at times faces tough questioning and commentary from the five female hosts of the popular morning show, with Joy Behar questioning two ads he is running against Democratic rival Barack Obama. "We know that those two ads are untrue,'' Behar said. "They are lies.'' She was referring to two heavily criticized McCain ads, one that criticizes Obama's support of sex education, and another that says he was being disrespectful of Palin for his comment that McCain's call for change was like putting lipstick on a pig. McCain said they "are not lies" and defended them. Barbara Walters jumped in to note that McCain had made the lipstick on a pig comment, too, about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care proposal. "About health care," McCain said, referring to his own comments. "He (Obama) chooses his words very carefully. He shouldn't have said it." McCain has portrayed Palin as a reformer unwilling to accept pork from Washington. But Walters and Behar pressed. "She also took some earmarks,'' Walters said. "A lot," Behar added. "No, not as governor she didn't,'' McCain responded. The Obama campaign quickly produced a sheaf of newspaper articles indicating otherwise, such as a Sept. 2 Washington Post article that said the governor's administration "remains eager for many other earmarks. In February, Palin's office sent Sen. (Ted) Stevens a 70-page memo outlining almost $200 million worth of new funding requests for Alaska." Walters was a particularly aggressive questioner, about Palin's qualifications and whether McCain was still the maverick he claimed to be. She asked repeatedly what Palin was supposed to reform about Washington. "The Republican Party. The Democratic Party. She's going to reform all of Washington," McCain said. "What specifically?" Walters asked McCain mentioned Palin selling the state airplane. "She sold the airplane at a loss," Walters said. Behar jumped in: "You used to be sort of the maverick. Then you sort of turned." Asked McCain: "In what way?" Behar said, "You sort of became more in lock step..." "I'm the same person as I always was," said McCain. McCain also drew scattered boos from the audience when he said he thought Roe v. Wade was "a very bad decision.'' Things got a bit better when Cindy McCain joined her husband on the show's final segment. Asked why McCain should be president, she said, "for the obvious reasons" and then said he is a "measured man" who always puts his country first. Host Elisabeth Hasselbeck asked Cindy McCain whether there were were areas where the two disagreed. McCain leaned over and said, "Never." She answered, "He and I do see eye to eye on most things." Even Biden thinks Obimbo has poor judgement saying that Hillary would have been a better choice for VP. Harry, you still want to place that bet that the VP candidate will quit? No, not Palin you idiot, I mean Biden, replaced by hillary. McCain was exposed as the lying hypocrite he was, and the fact you try to change the subject shows you understand that. And what Biden said was: "Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let's get that straight. She's a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she's easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America, and quite frankly, . it might have been a better pick than me. But she's first rate, I mean that sincerely, she's first rate, so let's get that straight." It's called being gracious and showing humility, something you as a repugnut would never understand. Good one! All right, Ray! He shoots, he scores! |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
wrote in message ... On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:47:56 -0400, hk wrote: wrote: On Sep 12, 3:29?pm, HK wrote: John McCain McCain Gets an Earful on 'The View' By Robert Barnes and Michael D. Shear Washington Post First Republican presidential nominee John McCain told the hosts of ABC's "The View" today that his running mate Sarah Palin had never sought earmarks from Congress while she was governor of Alaska, even though she had in fact asked for about $200 million for projects in her state and employed a lobbyist to help. McCain at times faces tough questioning and commentary from the five female hosts of the popular morning show, with Joy Behar questioning two ads he is running against Democratic rival Barack Obama. "We know that those two ads are untrue,'' Behar said. "They are lies.'' She was referring to two heavily criticized McCain ads, one that criticizes Obama's support of sex education, and another that says he was being disrespectful of Palin for his comment that McCain's call for change was like putting lipstick on a pig. McCain said they "are not lies" and defended them. Barbara Walters jumped in to note that McCain had made the lipstick on a pig comment, too, about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care proposal. "About health care," McCain said, referring to his own comments. "He (Obama) chooses his words very carefully. He shouldn't have said it." McCain has portrayed Palin as a reformer unwilling to accept pork from Washington. But Walters and Behar pressed. "She also took some earmarks,'' Walters said. "A lot," Behar added. The girls also asked how many houses the McCain's own. The McCains nevered answered the question. Cindy, under the influence of sedatives and something else, said she is fortunate for her father and tries to help those less fortunate, although she only gave less than 1% to charity and spent over $200,000 on cosmedic surgery last year (according the Enquirer). $200,000 on cosmetic surgery? Hehehe. A mortician could have made her look more natural and life-like than that for a lot less money. Zing!! |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sep 13, 7:46*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
the poor?" : And the answer is "they shouldn't". *Income tax should essentially be like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the income ONCE). nope. won't work. the middle class has certain basic expenses that consume a far larger portion of their income versus the extremely wealthy. a flat tax would decrease the viability of the middle class |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
"Tiger" wrote in message ... Raymond O'Hara wrote: "David E. Powell" wrote in message ... Baba Wawa acted like her servants delivered her cold coffee or something. What a maroon. she acted like the lournalist she used to be and asked tough questions and she refused to accept pat bull**** answers The View, home of great journalism??? Sorry, but when I hear make dumb as comments about Slavery from Whoopi, you lose all credibilty. Those hags have a agenda as left as yours...... What are you, in 8th grade? Barbara Walters has had a lifetime of careers, unlike your one stop at the fry counter. Shut up until your masters tell you to sit up and beg. |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sep 13, 12:44*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
wf3h wrote: :On Sep 13, 12:43*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:: "wf3h" wrote in message : .... : On Sep 12, 9:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: : : which she inherited. unlike mccain, i've worked for everything i have. : that's why mccain wants to take what i have and give it to his rich : buddies. he, like all republicans, hates the middle class. : : Maybe you should have become a gigolo. *Then your jealousy would not rear : it's ugly head.- : :and mebbe members of the GOP should quit lecturing people on the moral :superiority of the rich. : And maybe you should stop lying about things that never happened. you mean mccain's not a gigolo? when did he get an honest job? |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sep 13, 2:59*pm, Tiger wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Sep 12, 9:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: the same can be said for mccain. he's a gigolo living off his wife's wealth which she inherited. unlike mccain, i've worked for everything i have. that's why mccain wants to take what i have and give it to his rich buddies. he, like all republicans, hates the middle class. So what do you call John Kerry????? i call him irrelevant. and he's not trying to tell me, as the GOP does, that god loves him because he's rich, so i should pay more taxes so he can stay that way. |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:51:23 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote: : :What does orientation or sexual preference have to do with McCain's lies? : : What lies would those be? Don't play stupid, you know very well. McCain-approved TV ad claims Obama championed "legislation to teach comprehensive sex education . . . to kindergarteners! Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama, wrong on education, wrong for YOUR family." In reality, the legislation referred to allows local schools to teach "age-appropriate" sex education, meaning that kindergarten kids could be warned about sexual predators and inappropriate touching, but not taught about sex. Fact check: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/mar...ory/52169.html Actual video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs&e Here's the text of the bill in question. It states explicitly that "(2) All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate." (Language in the existing Illinois law is in plain text; language that would be added to the law by the bill is underlined; language that would be removed from existing law is struck through.) http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...Sess=&Session= ================= "Obama called Sarah Palin a pig" -- John McCain on Tuesday, September 9th, 2008 in a Web ad http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/706/ 'Pants-On-Fire" lie: If there's lipstick on a pig, it's this McCain ad Pants on fire! The story begins, like so many these days, with Gov. Sarah Palin's speech at the Republican National Convention last week. Having stirred the crowd to its feet more than once, Palin delivered a knockout line when she deadpanned: "I love those hockey moms. You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick." The line drew cheerful applause and has echoed ever since, which seems to explain how Sen. Barack Obama found himself in the middle of an uproar when he uttered a time-worn phrase to denigrate Sen. John McCain's proclaimed agenda for "change" in Washington. "John McCain says he's about change, too," Obama said. "And so I guess his whole angle is, 'Watch out, George Bush! Except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy, and Karl Rove-style politics, we're really going to shake things up in Washington.'" "That's not change," Obama said. "That's just calling something the same thing something different. But you know, you can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough of the same old thing." Gasp! He just said lipstick! Did he just call Sarah Palin a pig??!!! That's the charge. Later that day, the McCain campaign arranged a conference call for reporters with Jane Swift, the former governor of Massachusetts. She said that when you add up Obama's comments and Palin's comments, you get Obama calling Palin a pig. Swift said Obama should apologize. "Calling a very prominent female governor of one of our states a 'pig' is not exactly what we want to see," Swift said. The issue has dominated the presidential campaign for two days, with the McCain campaign stirring a controversy by having local lawmakers call for Obama to apologize, and the Obama campaign responding with examples of how often he and others have used the phrase. The next day, Obama called the McCain's campaign tactics "lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics." On Wednesday, the McCain campaign released a Web ad called "Lipstick." It begins with a clip of Palin delivering her lipstick line, then text flashes on the screen saying "Barack Obama on: Sarah Palin." A moment later, the ad plays a small portion of Obama's "lipstick on a pig" remark, but not enough of his quotation to make clear what he was talking about. The ad concludes with a clip of CBS anchor Katie Couric soberly remarking on sexism on the campaign trail. The ad has two big problems, as does the complaint of former Gov. Swift. First, in the full text of the remarks it's clear that Obama isn't talking about Sarah Palin. He's talking about McCain's argument that he represents change. Second, "putting lipstick on a pig" is a popular put-down, especially among politicians. It generally means taking a bad or unattractive idea and trying to dress it up. We weren't able to pin down the origins of this folksy expression, but we found tons of instances of people using it. The political newspaper The Hill labeled the phrase "Congress Speak" back in June, and gave it an official definition: "an expression used to illustrate that something unattractive cannot be beautified or otherwise positively changed by any amount of makeup or other exterior alterations." In 1986, Texas Agricultural Commissioner Jim Hightower used the phrase to criticize Ronald Reagan's farm policy. During the 2004 presidential campaign, both Dick Cheney and John Edwards used it to attack the other guy's running mate. Earlier this year, Democratic Congresswoman Linda Sanchez of California gave a speech on trade policy. "You know the old saying about putting lipstick on a pig? Well, I smell bacon," she groused. Obama and McCain both have used the expression. In September 2007, Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson quoted Obama using the phrase to discuss Iraq policy: "I think that both Gen. Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment," Obama said. "George Bush has given a mission to Gen. Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig." In Iowa on Oct. 11, 2007, McCain panned Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, calling it "eerily reminiscent" of the plan that failed during Bill Clinton's administration, according to a report in the Chicago Tribune. "I think they put some lipstick on a pig," McCain said, "but it's still a pig." On Feb. 1, 2007, McCain blasted a Senate resolution that would have criticized President Bush's strategy in Iraq. Some had praised the resolution as a compromise measure, but McCain disagreed. "It gets down to whether you support what is being done in this new strategy or you don't," McCain said. "You can put lipstick on a pig, [but] it's still a pig, in my view." It is simply impossible to view the complete remarks by Obama and conclude that he's making a veiled and unsavory reference to Palin. Her name never is used in the preceding sentence. In fact, it's hard to see how one could interpret Obama's lipstick-on-a-pig remark as referring directly to McCain, either. We think it's very clear that Obama was saying McCain's effort to call himself the "candidate of change" is like putting lipstick on a pig, trying to dress up a bad idea to look better. Agree or disagree with Obama's point, but his remark wasn't the smear that McCain's people have tried to make it. If anyone's doing any smearing, it's the McCain campaign and its outrageous attempt to distort the facts. Did Obama call Palin a pig? No, and saying so is Pants on Fire wrong. ------------------- Phoney Outrage: McCain using the phrase "Putting Lipstick On A Pig" himself, 02MAY08: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMHlI...eature=related ================= "Actually, they are not lies," McCain said during an exchange with host Barbara Walters: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...3gpQgz_1ep_L6A :McCain, the "straight talker" took on Karl Rove as an advisor : : Speaking of lies, there's one. Stop playing stupid: Mehlman, Rove boost McCain campaign By: David Paul Kuhn March 8, 2008 11:33 AM EST John McCain is getting much more than President Bush's endorsement and fundraising help for his campaign. He's getting Bush's staff. It's no secret that Steve Schmidt, Bush's attack dog in the 2004 election, and Mark McKinnon, the president's media strategist, are performing similar functions for McCain now. But other big-name Bushies are lining up to boost McCain, too. Ken Mehlman, who ran Bush's 2004 campaign, is now serving as an unpaid, outside adviser to the Arizona Republican. Karl Rove, the president's top political hand since his Texas days, recently gave money to McCain and soon after had a private conversation with the senator. A top McCain adviser said both Mehlman and Rove are now informally advising the campaign. Rove refused to detail his conversation with McCain. The list could grow longer. Dan Bartlett, formerly a top aide in the Bush White House, and Sara Taylor, the erstwhile Bush political adviser, said they are eager to provide any assistance and advice possible to McCain. Rove explained that he and McCain "got to know each other during the 2004 campaign." In a separate interview, Mehlman noted that "McCain was completely loyal to the president in 2004 and worked incredibly hard to help him get elected." According to Taylor, "The Bush Republicans here in town are excited for John McCain." Despite the president's low approval ratings, there are clear benefits to McCain for this cozy relationship with the Bush team. They are seasoned operatives with a track record of winning back-to-back national elections in tough political environments. But there are obvious drawbacks. First and foremost, any association with the Bush administration helps Democrats make their case that McCain represents a clear extension of an unpopular presidency. One of those making that argument is Matt Dowd, Bush's chief strategist in 2004. "[McCain] has sided himself so closely to the administration, especially on Iraq, now having various Bush advisers -- that doesn't sit well with the public," said Dowd, who has recently broken with the Bush inner circle. "The public wants the non-Bush candidate." Dowd also argued that he believes that the proximity of Bush's advisers could lead McCain to a strategic mistake" Dowd added. "And I think some of the things John McCain has done, and how he's done it, has been a fight or a battle that's gone. I don't think this is going to be a terrorism election or a national security election." The McCain adviser said Dowd's concern is unwarranted, pointing to the campaign's belief that the economy will play a far greater role in the 2008 race than it did in 2004. That hasn't stopped Democrats from seizing upon the Bush-McCain axis. When Bush and McCain met at the White House on Wednesday, a Democratic leaning group aired an ad that day in the swing states of Pennsylvania and Ohio titled "McSame," attacking McCain as a Bush clone with similar policies on taxes, health care and the war in Iraq. The Democratic National Committee quickly posted a video of the news conference on its website. Beneath the video, it read that McCain would carry on Bush's "failed economic and foreign policies." The McCain campaign, for its part, has been coy about how -- or whether -- the senator will distance himself from the president. McCain said that he intended to campaign with Bush but quickly added a caveat: only "as it fits into his busy schedule." The scheduling disclaimer followed each of the five times -- in the 10-minute press conference -- that McCain invited Bush to join him on the trail. For now, said a senior adviser to McCain who spoke on the condition of anonymity, the "the No. 1 strategic goal" was "to solidify the base of the party." A strong majority of Republicans continue to approve of the president. Yet independents and Democrats do not share Republicans' approval of Bush. And former Bush aides recognize the political exigencies surrounding the McCain-Bush relationship. "We agree on far more than we disagree on," Bartlett said. "Everybody will do everything they can to help. And if part of being helpful means [to] stay away, I'm sure people will stay away." At the moment, McCain's campaign seems to believe Bush's assistance is more valuable than not. But the McCain adviser noted that, down the road, the campaign will "reinforce that [McCain] is an independent." http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...6F9CBBFFC54DE3 Just when did this happen? March 8, 2008 11:33 AM EST or earlier. :... and now his campaign has gone negative, : : But not until after all the smears from the other side going into the Republican Convention. Irrelevant when one makes a promise. The weirdest thing is that McCain has taken on the master of Slime to help in negative campaigning, Karl Rove, even after being slimed himself in 1999/2000 by Bush/Rove. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bush, Plunderer In Chief ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sep 13, 2:57*pm, Tiger wrote:
hk wrote: Fred J. McCall wrote: I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. Why? Because Karl Marx says so? i see you're in favor of socialism...for the rich |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:53:23 -0700, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 13, 7:46*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: the poor?" : : And the answer is "they shouldn't". *Income tax should essentially be like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the income ONCE). nope. won't work. the middle class has certain basic expenses that consume a far larger portion of their income versus the extremely wealthy. a flat tax would decrease the viability of the middle class Fair is the only system that does work. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I Love Republicans, They Taste Just Like Chickenhawks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 13, 1:07 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: hk wrote: :Fred J. McCall wrote: : wf3h wrote: : : : :c'mon harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says makes : :you middle class? : : : : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be : increased. : : You WANT to pay more taxes? I think we need a program that lets you : folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of us... : : :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be :paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. : Why? -- why not? the largest increase in marginal tax rates occurs on the middle class. the wealthy get a tax rate of 15% on capital gains (which is alot less than the middle class pays) AND gets to write off losses. they get the best of all worlds. Same 15% you get to pay on capitol gains. They have left the investment untouched for a long period of time. And those capitol gains can only be written off up to the the capitol losses + $1000. Lose $10k and no gains to write against, and you will still be taking a loss 10 years down the road. |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
Fair is the only system that does work. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * * * * * * I Love Republicans, They Taste Just Like Chickenhawks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .................................................. .............. * * * *Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access * * * * * * * athttp://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- Bull****. Take a decent economics course, if they offer any anymore. Progressive income tax with higher rates for richest is the way to go. Flat tax is worst on the poor. Hell everybody agreed on that until these stupid Republicans under Reagan took over. You know under Eisenhower, tax rate was 91% for some of the highest brackets? You know some of them actually complained to the Treasury Secretary, and his response was, pay your damn taxes, you can afford it. You are gaining the largess due to what this country provides for you. From infrastructure to safe means to park your funds. The only people advocating a flat tax are the super rich who would make a killing on it (its only income and they would not count investments as income). Why the hell is Forbes so gung ho on it? To help the middle class? Hell no. He has no clue how you live. Neither does McCain or his wife. Anybody got a quarter mil earrings for the wife lately? Thought not. Well, you can thank the Reagan / Bush tax cuts for them getting richer and richer and ****ing away more than you'd pay on a house for ear candy. The tax cuts are for the rich. They are screwing the rest of us with higher state and property taxes. Why the hell do you think Bush lives in Texas? No state income tax. He's no more Texan than the Pope runs the LDS. Their kids do not go to public schools. Look at how many people are millionaires or billionaires. And how many Americans have lost their jobs or houses? These tax cuts are killing the US |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
:On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:05:55 -0400, Raymond O'Hara wrote: : : : "Fred J. McCall" wrote in message : ... : Curly Surmudgeon wrote: : : :On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:07:11 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote: : : : : hk wrote: : : : : :Fred J. McCall wrote: : : : wf3h wrote: : : : : : : : :c'mon harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says : : : :makes you middle class? : : : : : : : : : : : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be : : : increased. : : : : : : You WANT to pay more taxes? I think we need a program that lets : : : you folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of : : : us... : : : : : : : : :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to : : :be paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. : : : : : : : : Why? : : : :The proper question, to both of you, is "Why should the rich pay _more_OR : :_less_ than the poor?" : : : : : And the answer is "they shouldn't". Income tax should essentially be : like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the : income ONCE). : : : yes they should. they get more ao they pay more. taxes aren't punishment : as you wingnuts like to pretend. its what keeps the country running. you : take more you pay more. : : Poor Ray. It apparently doesn't penetrate through to his tiny brain that in paying the same percentage they WOULD BE paying more. In point of fact, they would be paying precisely in scale with the 'more' that they would get, even though they would receive it from their own efforts rather than as some benefit they pay the State to 'provide'. : :Supporting a level playing field is not a sign of being a "wingnut." :Giving the rich tax avoidance legislation or a "progressive" taxation :in which the least productive become trapped on welfare. : Taxes based on income should be flat. They distort the economy the least that way and allow it to function closer to its optimum levels. -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:46:47 -0700, frank wrote:
Fair is the only system that does work. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* I Love Republicans, They Taste Just Like Chickenhawks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .................................................. .............. Â* Â* Â* *Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* athttp://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- Bull****. Take a decent economics course, if they offer any anymore. Progressive income tax with higher rates for richest is the way to go. Flat tax is worst on the poor. Hell everybody agreed on that until these stupid Republicans under Reagan took over. "They" have you well trained. You know under Eisenhower, tax rate was 91% for some of the highest brackets? You know some of them actually complained to the Treasury Secretary, and his response was, pay your damn taxes, you can afford it. You are gaining the largess due to what this country provides for you. From infrastructure to safe means to park your funds. The only people advocating a flat tax are the super rich who would make a killing on it (its only income and they would not count investments as income). Why the hell is Forbes so gung ho on it? To help the middle class? Hell no. He has no clue how you live. Neither does McCain or his wife. Anybody got a quarter mil earrings for the wife lately? Thought not. Well, you can thank the Reagan / Bush tax cuts for them getting richer and richer and ****ing away more than you'd pay on a house for ear candy. The "Super Rich" pay little or no taxes now so how would paying a fair share help them? Smoke and mirrors, don't drink the Kool Aid... The tax cuts are for the rich. They are screwing the rest of us with higher state and property taxes. Why the hell do you think Bush lives in Texas? No state income tax. He's no more Texan than the Pope runs the LDS. Their kids do not go to public schools. Look at how many people are millionaires or billionaires. And how many Americans have lost their jobs or houses? These tax cuts are killing the US Precisely, everyone should pay an equal tax. Any disparity, any exclusion, deduction, exemption, credit, or dependency allowance creates special interests and an inequity. That's how we got here, learn from historical mistakes and don't repeat the past. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I Love Republicans, They Taste Just Like Chickenhawks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
wf3h wrote:
:On Sep 13, 1:07*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: : hk wrote: : :Fred J. McCall wrote: : : wf3h wrote: : : : : : : :c'mon *harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says makes : : :you middle class? : : : : : : : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be : : increased. : : : : You WANT to pay more taxes? *I think we need a program that lets you : : folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of us... : : : : : :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be : :paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. : : : : Why? : : :why not? the largest increase in marginal tax rates occurs on the :middle class. the wealthy get a tax rate of 15% on capital gains :(which is alot less than the middle class pays) AND gets to write off :losses. they get the best of all worlds. : And you think their only income is capital gains? You REALLY need to learn something about money. And 'why not' is the stupidest reason to do something imaginable. Hey, why not just keep slaves? Or why not rent the poor out as game animals for canned hunts? Why not? -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
wf3h wrote:
:On Sep 13, 7:46*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: :the poor?" : : : : And the answer is "they shouldn't". *Income tax should essentially be : like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the : income ONCE). : :nope. won't work. the middle class has certain basic expenses that :consume a far larger portion of their income versus the extremely :wealthy. a flat tax would decrease the viability of the middle class : Nonsense. Of course it would work. The middle class would probably even get to pay less than they pay now. ANY taxation scheme can be made to work, including the rather preposterous Rube Goldbergery we operate under now. Where do people get the idea that the wealthy apparently just sit on their money or bury it or some such silliness? -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
wf3h wrote:
:On Sep 13, 12:44*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: : wf3h wrote: : : :On Sep 13, 12:43*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:: "wf3h" wrote in message : : : : ... : : On Sep 12, 9:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: : : : : which she inherited. unlike mccain, i've worked for everything i have. : : that's why mccain wants to take what i have and give it to his rich : : buddies. he, like all republicans, hates the middle class. : : : : Maybe you should have become a gigolo. *Then your jealousy would not rear : : it's ugly head.- : : : :and mebbe members of the GOP should quit lecturing people on the moral : :superiority of the rich. : : : : And maybe you should stop lying about things that never happened. : : :you mean mccain's not a gigolo? : :when did he get an honest job? : You know, you really are far too stupid to bother with. I can see a lot of idiots are going to need to be binned over the next 90 days... plonk -- "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is only stupid." -- Heinrich Heine |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
:On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:51:23 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote: : : Curly Surmudgeon wrote: : : :What does orientation or sexual preference have to do with McCain's : lies? : : : : What lies would those be? : :Don't play stupid, you know very well. : It's a sure sign that any time anyone tells you "and you know it" or something similar that they have no support for their own position and aren't worth bothering with further. Congratulations on your intellectual dishonesty. plonk -- "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." -- Socrates |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
frank wrote:
: :Bull****. Take a decent economics course, if they offer any anymore. : I have a degree in the field, Frank. You're an idiot. : :Progressive income tax with higher rates for richest is the way to go. :Flat tax is worst on the poor. Hell everybody agreed on that until :these stupid Republicans under Reagan took over. : Wrong. Progressive taxes are the MOST distortive to market forces. Flat taxes distort the least and hence are the way to go. If 'everyone agreed' until Reagan, why did JFK make taxes much less regressive (and thereby stimulate both the economy and government tax receipts)? : :You know under Eisenhower, tax rate was 91% for some of the highest :brackets? : Yes, and you know JFK changed that because it was ****ing up the economy so badly, right? : :You know some of them actually complained to the Treasury :Secretary, and his response was, pay your damn taxes, you can afford :it. You are gaining the largess due to what this country provides for :you. From infrastructure to safe means to park your funds. : Cite? I think you're lying again. : :The only people advocating a flat tax are the super rich who would :make a killing on it : You're lying again. : :(its only income and they would not count :investments as income). : You're lying again. : :Why the hell is Forbes so gung ho on it? : Because he actually understand what you do not; non-flat taxes on income distort the economy. : :To :help the middle class? Hell no. He has no clue how you live. Neither :does McCain or his wife. Anybody got a quarter mil earrings for the :wife lately? Thought not. Well, you can thank the Reagan / Bush tax :cuts for them getting richer and richer and ****ing away more than :you'd pay on a house for ear candy. : Jealousy is SO ugly, Frank. You and your "eat the rich; the poor are tough and stringy" crowd make me nauseous. Where do you think the jobs come from? : :Look at how many people are millionaires or billionaires. And how many :Americans have lost their jobs or houses? These tax cuts are killing :the US : Now go look at who is paying the taxes, Frank... -- "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is only stupid." -- Heinrich Heine |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:20:58 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote: :On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:51:23 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote: : : Curly Surmudgeon wrote: : : :What does orientation or sexual preference have to do with McCain's : lies? : : : : What lies would those be? : :Don't play stupid, you know very well. : : It's a sure sign that any time anyone tells you "and you know it" or something similar that they have no support for their own position and aren't worth bothering with further. Congratulations on your intellectual dishonesty. plonk Couldn't contradict the evidence, ha! Notice that Fred snipped 264 lines of research disproving his diversions and denials. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I Love Republicans, They Taste Just Like Chickenhawks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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"Roy Blankenship" wrote in message m... "Tiger" wrote in message ... Raymond O'Hara wrote: "David E. Powell" wrote in message ... Baba Wawa acted like her servants delivered her cold coffee or something. What a maroon. she acted like the lournalist she used to be and asked tough questions and she refused to accept pat bull**** answers The View, home of great journalism??? Sorry, but when I hear make dumb as comments about Slavery from Whoopi, you lose all credibilty. Those hags have a agenda as left as yours...... What are you, in 8th grade? Barbara Walters has had a lifetime of careers, unlike your one stop at the fry counter. Shut up until your masters tell you to sit up and beg. whoppi was making a pouint about originalism and strict constructionism. |
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"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:53:23 -0700, wf3h wrote: On Sep 13, 7:46 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: the poor?" : : And the answer is "they shouldn't". Income tax should essentially be like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the income ONCE). nope. won't work. the middle class has certain basic expenses that consume a far larger portion of their income versus the extremely wealthy. a flat tax would decrease the viability of the middle class Fair is the only system that does work. define fair. |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:00:23 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote: S Taxes based on income should be flat. They distort the economy the least that way and allow it to function closer to its optimum levels. That, of course, is a religious statement, devoid of proof and unprovable. Peter Skelton |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
On Sep 13, 11:01*pm, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:53:23 -0700, wf3h wrote: On Sep 13, 7:46*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: the poor?" : : And the answer is "they shouldn't". *Income tax should essentially be like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the income ONCE). nope. won't work. the middle class has certain basic expenses that consume a far larger portion of their income versus the extremely wealthy. a flat tax would decrease the viability of the middle class Fair is the only system that does work. -- agreed. that's why a progressive tax is more fair than a flat tax. |
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On Sep 14, 12:03*am, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote: Precisely, everyone should pay an equal tax. 'equal' does not necessarily mean 'fair'. you were right the 1st time: everyone should pay a fair tax *Any disparity, any exclusion, deduction, exemption, credit, or dependency allowance creates special interests and an inequity. that's true. and we, as a society, have decided that things like raising kinds, health insurance, having a viable middle class, are values that we want to promote via having them as special interests. and that is fair. |
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On Sep 14, 12:30*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
frank wrote: : :Bull****. Take a decent economics course, if they offer any anymore. : I have a degree in the field, Frank. *You're an idiot. : :Progressive income tax with higher rates for richest is the way to go. :Flat tax is worst on the poor. Hell everybody agreed on that until :these stupid Republicans under Reagan took over. : Wrong. *Progressive taxes are the MOST distortive to market forces. Flat taxes distort the least and hence are the way to go. ?? why does allowing people to buy homes and feed and educate their kids 'distort' the market? that's why the middle class should pay less than the ultrawealthy. that's what a progressive tax permits. the existence of a middle class. Because he actually understand what you do not; non-flat taxes on income distort the economy. and taxing the middle class, while allowing an increasing accumulation of wealth by the richest 0.1% of our society is destroying the middle class in this country. middle class incomes haven't increased in 30 years, after adjusting for inflation. in the last 8 years, productivity has increased about 20% but none of that increase has gone to the middle class, while the wealthy have increased their share of the national wealth. : :To :help the middle class? Hell no. He has no clue how you live. Neither :does McCain or his wife. Anybody got a quarter mil earrings for the :wife lately? Thought not. Well, you can thank the Reagan / Bush tax :cuts for them getting richer and richer and ****ing away more than :you'd pay on a house for ear candy. : Jealousy is SO ugly, Frank. *You and your "eat the rich; the poor are tough and stringy" crowd make me nauseous. *Where do you think the jobs come from? that would be nice if unemployment hadn't increased 30% under bush's tax cut policy : :Look at how many people are millionaires or billionaires. And how many :Americans have lost their jobs or houses? These tax cuts are killing :the US : Now go look at who is paying the taxes, Frank... the rich only want to focus on payroll taxes. when you include ALL taxes, the middle class is being hammered. |
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On Sep 14, 12:17*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
wf3h wrote: :On Sep 13, 7:46*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: :the poor?" : : : : And the answer is "they shouldn't". *Income tax should essentially be : like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the : income ONCE). : :nope. won't work. the middle class has certain basic expenses that :consume a far larger portion of their income versus the extremely :wealthy. a flat tax would decrease the viability of the middle class : Nonsense. *Of course it would work. *The middle class would probably even get to pay less than they pay now. nonsense. of course it won't work. the middle class would probably pay more under a flat tax than they pay now. see. i can do that too! ANY taxation scheme can be made to work, including the rather preposterous Rube Goldbergery we operate under now. Where do people get the idea that the wealthy apparently just sit on their money or bury it or some such silliness? why do the rich think the middle class doesn't deserve enough money to buy a house, feed their kids, and have a car after working so hard? why are the rich biased against an honest day's work? |
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On Sep 13, 11:36*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 13, 1:07 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: hk wrote: :Fred J. McCall wrote: : wf3h wrote: : : : :c'mon harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says makes : :you middle class? : : : : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be : increased. : : You WANT to pay more taxes? I think we need a program that lets you : folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of us... : : :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be :paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. : Why? -- why not? the largest increase in marginal tax rates occurs on the middle class. the wealthy get a tax rate of 15% on capital gains (which is alot less than the middle class pays) AND gets to write off losses. they get the best of all worlds. Same 15% you get to pay on capitol gains. * EXACTLY!!! gee even YOU get it!! thank you!! the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!! how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains? that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING for a living They have left the investment untouched for a long period of time. *And those capitol gains can only be written off up to the the capitol losses + $1000. my heart bleeds for them. |
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On Sep 14, 12:10*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
wf3h wrote: :On Sep 13, 1:07*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:: hk wrote: : :Fred J. McCall wrote: : : wf3h wrote: : : : : : : :c'mon *harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says makes : : :you middle class? : : : : : : : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be : : increased. : : : : You WANT to pay more taxes? *I think we need a program that lets you : : folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of us... : : : : : :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be : :paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now. : : : : Why? : : :why not? the largest increase in marginal tax rates occurs on the :middle class. the wealthy get a tax rate of 15% on capital gains :(which is alot less than the middle class pays) AND gets to write off :losses. they get the best of all worlds. : And you think their only income is capital gains? *You REALLY need to learn something about money. and you think they actually WORK for a living? And 'why not' is the stupidest reason to do something imaginable. and 'equal tax' is the stupidest reason to tax the middle class Hey, why not just keep slaves? * we're already there. the US has destroyed labor unions and turned the middle class into vassals. you have your wish |
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On Sep 14, 12:19*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
wf3h wrote: :On Sep 13, 12:44*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:: wf3h wrote: : : :On Sep 13, 12:43*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:: "wf3h" wrote in message : : : : ... : : On Sep 12, 9:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: : : : : which she inherited. unlike mccain, i've worked for everything i have. : : that's why mccain wants to take what i have and give it to his rich : : buddies. he, like all republicans, hates the middle class. : : : : Maybe you should have become a gigolo. *Then your jealousy would not rear : : it's ugly head.- : : : :and mebbe members of the GOP should quit lecturing people on the moral : :superiority of the rich. : : : : And maybe you should stop lying about things that never happened. : : :you mean mccain's not a gigolo? : :when did he get an honest job? : You know, you really are far too stupid to bother with. *I can see a lot of idiots are going to need to be binned over the next 90 days... i love it when i get killfiled. the morons think that, by not responding to my arguments, they defeat them. like sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "NAH, NAH, NAH'. freddie's offended by my assessment, but ignores mccain's panhandling, and lies about obama. that mean's he's a republican. |
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"wf3h" wrote in message news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265- the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!! how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains? that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING for a living --------------------------------- It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and capital gains taxes. Some see it your way. Others see the reduction of the capital gains penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general economy which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new opportunities. The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it doesn't mean it's bad for all. Eisboch |
McCain Lies His Way Thru Interview
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "wf3h" wrote in message news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265- the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!! how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains? that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING for a living --------------------------------- It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and capital gains taxes. Some see it your way. Others see the reduction of the capital gains penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general economy which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new opportunities. The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it doesn't mean it's bad for all. Eisboch Damm it! Didn't mean to continue the cross post. Didn't notice until after I hit send. Sorry about that. Eisboch |
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Yes, and you know JFK changed that because it was ****ing up the economy so badly, right? No Fred you're a liar and an idiot. He cut taxes as there was no government spending or deficit at the time and he was concerned that there would be too much money in the Federal treasury and that would distort the economy. We have not been in that condition since. With the rising debt (doubled under this idiot), and the interest in the debt, up to $405 billion this year, WE NEED TO **** CAN the tax cuts. WHY DO YOU THINK REAGAN HAD THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY RIGHT AFTER HE HAD THE LARGEST TAX CUT? IT DID NOT WORK. IT WAS VOODOO ECONOMICS. Bush I was right in that case. You may think you have a degree in the field but you're an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. Go back in your cage and play with your feces until its feeding time. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "wf3h" wrote in message news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265- the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!! how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains? that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING for a living --------------------------------- It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and capital gains taxes. Some see it your way. Others see the reduction of the capital gains penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general economy which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new opportunities. The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it doesn't mean it's bad for all. Eisboch Damm it! Didn't mean to continue the cross post. Didn't notice until after I hit send. Sorry about that. Eisboch Sheet man. I almost plonked you by mistake |
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