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From McCain's speech tonight:

"McCain invoked the five years he spent in a North Vietnamese prison. "I
fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's,"
he said. "I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was
my country's."


Did you know McCain was a POW?

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On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:02:28 -0400, hk wrote:

From McCain's speech tonight:

"McCain invoked the five years he spent in a North Vietnamese prison. "I
fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's,"
he said. "I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was
my country's."


Did you know McCain was a POW?


He was right though. He was never the same again. He's mentally
damaged from the experience.

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:46:18 -0400, jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:02:28 -0400, hk wrote:

From McCain's speech tonight:

"McCain invoked the five years he spent in a North Vietnamese prison. "I
fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's,"
he said. "I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was
my country's."


Did you know McCain was a POW?


He was right though. He was never the same again. He's mentally
damaged from the experience.

Damaged maybe. But not broken. You probably wouldn't have survived the
ordeal.

McCain himself, in his acceptance speech stated that he was broken. He
was broken and made statements against the U.S. during his captivity.

He thinks of Asians as Giooks, and uses that word when he talks about
them. he's been criticized for using that very offensive racist
terminolgy, but has refused to apologize or stop using it.

It's not his fault that he went through that ordeal, but the fact is,
he's damaged goods as a result.

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:58:39 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:46:18 -0400, jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:02:28 -0400, hk wrote:

From McCain's speech tonight:

"McCain invoked the five years he spent in a North Vietnamese prison. "I
fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's,"
he said. "I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was
my country's."


Did you know McCain was a POW?


He was right though. He was never the same again. He's mentally
damaged from the experience.

Damaged maybe. But not broken. You probably wouldn't have survived the
ordeal.

McCain himself, in his acceptance speech stated that he was broken. He
was broken and made statements against the U.S. during his captivity.

He thinks of Asians as Giooks,

It's "gooks" you stupid wop.

--Vic

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McCain himself, in his acceptance speech stated that he was broken. He
was broken and made statements against the U.S. during his captivity.

He thinks of Asians as Giooks, and uses that word when he talks about
them. he's been criticized for using that very offensive racist
terminolgy, but has refused to apologize or stop using it.

It's not his fault that he went through that ordeal, but the fact is,
he's damaged goods as a result.



It's sad that some just don't understand, although it's understandable, I
guess, that they can't.

McCain told his personal version of his story, and of being broken after
months of hellish physical and mental torture purposely, to make a very
important point. And he told us of his learning of humility and the
weakness of *one*. He credits others for saving his life, understanding
his torture and giving him the strength to prevail. He has absolutely
nothing to apologize for.

Those experiences are what makes him what he is today.


As for the racist comments, I've never heard him utter anything like that as
a free, civilian. I am sure he did as a captive.
McCain was also instrumental in the re-establishment of relations with
Vietnam, many years later, I am sure you know.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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McCain himself, in his acceptance speech stated that he was broken. He
was broken and made statements against the U.S. during his captivity.

He thinks of Asians as Giooks, and uses that word when he talks about
them. he's been criticized for using that very offensive racist
terminolgy, but has refused to apologize or stop using it.

It's not his fault that he went through that ordeal, but the fact is,
he's damaged goods as a result.



It's sad that some just don't understand, although it's understandable, I
guess, that they can't.

McCain told his personal version of his story, and of being broken after
months of hellish physical and mental torture purposely, to make a very
important point. And he told us of his learning of humility and the
weakness of *one*. He credits others for saving his life, understanding
his torture and giving him the strength to prevail. He has absolutely
nothing to apologize for.

Those experiences are what makes him what he is today.


What is he today? A flip-flopper? A follower of George W. Bush?
A man without a single new idea?

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:12:40 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

McCain himself, in his acceptance speech stated that he was broken. He
was broken and made statements against the U.S. during his captivity.

He thinks of Asians as Giooks, and uses that word when he talks about
them. he's been criticized for using that very offensive racist
terminolgy, but has refused to apologize or stop using it.

It's not his fault that he went through that ordeal, but the fact is,
he's damaged goods as a result.



It's sad that some just don't understand, although it's understandable, I
guess, that they can't.

McCain told his personal version of his story, and of being broken after
months of hellish physical and mental torture purposely, to make a very
important point. And he told us of his learning of humility and the
weakness of *one*. He credits others for saving his life, understanding
his torture and giving him the strength to prevail. He has absolutely
nothing to apologize for.


I did not say he owed anyone an apology. What happened happened, and
he sustained permanent mental damage as a result of that experience.
It's not his fault, and I don't blame him one bit. That doesn't change
the results though.

Those experiences are what makes him what he is today.


As for the racist comments, I've never heard him utter anything like that as
a free, civilian. I am sure he did as a captive.

It has been widely reported in the press. Both his use of the word,
and the attempts to get him to reconsider it's use. He stated
emphatically that he wil always call them Gooks.

McCain was also instrumental in the re-establishment of relations with
Vietnam, many years later, I am sure you know.


Which has what to do with anything above?

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Which has what to do with anything above?


It would be interesting to debate this political issues from another
standpoint.

Forget McCain.
Forget Obama

Forget all names and personalities entirely.

Debate the differences between the moderate Republican and moderate
Democratic philosophies in terms of which is best in this country to achieve
the common goals of individual prosperity, security, health and freedom.

The simplified Republican viewpoint calls for minimum Fed intervention,
encourages growth through lower taxes, and stresses individual reliance,
with social welfare for those not able to take care of themselves.

The simplified Democratic viewpoint stresses reliance on the Fed to provide
for equal benefits and opportunity for all.

Which do you prefer?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Which has what to do with anything above?


It would be interesting to debate this political issues from another
standpoint.

Forget McCain.
Forget Obama

Forget all names and personalities entirely.

Debate the differences between the moderate Republican and moderate
Democratic philosophies in terms of which is best in this country to
achieve the common goals of individual prosperity, security, health and
freedom.

The simplified Republican viewpoint calls for minimum Fed intervention,
encourages growth through lower taxes, and stresses individual reliance,
with social welfare for those not able to take care of themselves.

The simplified Democratic viewpoint stresses reliance on the Fed to
provide for equal benefits and opportunity for all.

Which do you prefer?

Eisboch


Should have said, "stresses individual self-reliance"

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:30:51 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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Which has what to do with anything above?


It would be interesting to debate this political issues from another
standpoint.

Forget McCain.
Forget Obama

Forget all names and personalities entirely.

Debate the differences between the moderate Republican and moderate
Democratic philosophies in terms of which is best in this country to achieve
the common goals of individual prosperity, security, health and freedom.

The simplified Republican viewpoint calls for minimum Fed intervention,
encourages growth through lower taxes, and stresses individual reliance,
with social welfare for those not able to take care of themselves.

The simplified Democratic viewpoint stresses reliance on the Fed to provide
for equal benefits and opportunity for all.

Which do you prefer?

Eisboch


I'd prefer you take it to rec.politics, especially if you're looking to
engage Harry and his buddies.

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On Sep 5, 11:30*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

...



Which has what to do with anything above?

It would be interesting to debate this political issues from another
standpoint.

Forget McCain.
Forget Obama

Forget all names and personalities entirely.

Debate the differences between the moderate Republican and moderate
Democratic philosophies in terms of which is best in this country to achieve
the common goals of individual prosperity, security, health and freedom.

The simplified Republican viewpoint calls for minimum Fed intervention,
encourages growth through lower taxes, and stresses individual reliance,
with social welfare for those not able to take care of themselves.

The simplified Democratic viewpoint stresses reliance on the Fed to provide
for equal benefits and opportunity for all.

Which do you prefer?

Eisboch

The moderate republican has been overshadowed by the right wing nut
job republicans. That's going to be the downfall of the republicans,
they have given in too much to the extreme right.

Overall I think that most of us are for smaller government and minimal
government intervention. But that's not what the republicans have
been delivering for the past decade. It has been the exact opposite.
And that's another problem that is surfacing in the republican party
these days, say one thing but do another.

Where as the democrates have mostly remained moderate. Most americans
want to see some sort of relief for the downtrodden. Many are not in
their predicament entirely because of their own mistakes.

Social issues are seldom simple. Neither are foreign issues. The
evidence of the republican arrogance is their decision making these
days is obvious.

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

The moderate republican has been overshadowed by the right wing nut
job republicans. That's going to be the downfall of the republicans,
they have given in too much to the extreme right.

And that is exactly right. Until the Republicans end their incestuous
relationship with extreme right wingers, the entire future of the
party is at risk.

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On Sep 5, 4:54*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
The moderate republican has been overshadowed by the right wing nut
job republicans. *That's going to be the downfall of the republicans,
they have given in too much to the extreme right.

And that is exactly right. *Until the Republicans end their incestuous
relationship with extreme right wingers, the entire future of the
party is at risk.

You mean the Republican members of congress who vote their concience,
or the democrats who fall into lockstep line with whatever they are
told by their leadership... Leading us to the mess we are in now..
"Change" would be for Pelosi to let here lemmings represent the
people, all of them...

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:54:01 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

The moderate republican has been overshadowed by the right wing nut
job republicans. That's going to be the downfall of the republicans,
they have given in too much to the extreme right.

And that is exactly right. Until the Republicans end their incestuous
relationship with extreme right wingers, the entire future of the
party is at risk.

Ahem...

That would also be true of the Democrats and their incestuous
obsession with extreme left nutroots, "Truthers" and national
socialists.

Personally, I think this will end badly and will echo through American
history as a crucial test.

I'm betting we, as a country, will survive, but it won't be pretty.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:54:01 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

The moderate republican has been overshadowed by the right wing nut
job republicans. That's going to be the downfall of the republicans,
they have given in too much to the extreme right.
And that is exactly right. Until the Republicans end their incestuous
relationship with extreme right wingers, the entire future of the
party is at risk.

Ahem...

That would also be true of the Democrats and their incestuous
obsession with extreme left nutroots, "Truthers" and national
socialists.

Personally, I think this will end badly and will echo through American
history as a crucial test.

I'm betting we, as a country, will survive, but it won't be pretty.


"National socialists." snerk All three of them.