Nailed Yet Again
 

August 29, 2008

McCain: Obama Lacks Experience Running 5,000-Person Town in Alaska,
But Extolls Veep Pick’s Qualifications

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) used the announcement of his vice-presidential
pick, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, to blast the experience of his
Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill), arguing that Sen. Obama has
never been the mayor of a 5,000-person town.

"The Presidency of the United States of America is the toughest job on
the planet," Sen. McCain said. "And my friends, the best testing ground
for that job is being the mayor of a 5,000-person town in Alaska."

Sen. McCain unleashed a savage attack on Sen. Obama, claiming that his
Democratic opponent would be "at a loss" when faced with the challenges
of running a 5000-person municipality in Alaska.

"Let's say a constituent calls you and says that a caribou has wandered
onto his front lawn," he said. "My friends, Barack Obama wouldn't know
what to do."

He used the hypothetical situation to draw a sharp contrast with his
vice-presidential choice: "Sarah Palin would take out her gun and shoot
the caribou."

Mr. McCain said that an understanding of foreign affairs, Congress, and
other issues that a president has to deal with is "overrated," adding,
"That's what ‘Presidency for Dummies' is for."

While saying that her "vast experience" was the main reason he selected
Gov. Palin, Sen. McCain said that she also had the other three
qualifications he was looking for in a vice president: "She is pro-life,
pro-drilling, and willing to housesit."

from Andy Borowitz
www.andyborowitz.com



Note to idiots...Andy is a satirist. Got it?

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On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
More drool from andy..

You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that

McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

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On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..

You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that

McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:33:38 -0400, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.


She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes in
an instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

Obama is totally, completely, and uniquely unprepared to fill Bush's shoes
should he leave office in January.

But *you* are a respectable guy.

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On Aug 29, 3:42*pm, John H wrote:

McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. *He
has NO executive experience at all. *Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. *Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.


Obama is totally, completely, and uniquely unprepared to fill Bush's shoes
should he leave office in January.


Bravo!!! Well said.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:07:41 -0400, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Aug 29, 3:42 pm, John H wrote:

McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.
Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

Obama is totally, completely, and uniquely unprepared to fill Bush's shoes
should he leave office in January.


Bravo!!! Well said.



D'oh and D'oh...wait until Justwait and the rest of the LBO's chime in...

Quite respectable, Harry.


--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

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On Aug 29, 4:17 pm, John H wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:07:41 -0400, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 29, 3:42 pm, John H wrote:

McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.
Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

Obama is totally, completely, and uniquely unprepared to fill Bush's shoes
should he leave office in January.

Bravo!!! Well said.

D'oh and D'oh...wait until Justwait and the rest of the LBO's chime in...

Quite respectable, Harry.

--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Says a lot doesnt it when the Gov of AK has more executive experience
than both the Dem pres and VP candidates together. Obama who has been
comically unsuccessful in life thinks Palin has no qualifications.
Remember, Obama actually thinks there are 57 states.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:22:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 29, 4:17 pm, John H wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:07:41 -0400, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 29, 3:42 pm, John H wrote:

McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.
Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

Obama is totally, completely, and uniquely unprepared to fill Bush's shoes
should he leave office in January.

Bravo!!! Well said.

D'oh and D'oh...wait until Justwait and the rest of the LBO's chime in...

Quite respectable, Harry.

--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Says a lot doesnt it when the Gov of AK has more executive experience
than both the Dem pres and VP candidates together. Obama who has been
comically unsuccessful in life thinks Palin has no qualifications.
Remember, Obama actually thinks there are 57 states.

It is astounding that anyone on the Obama side of the fence would make any
comment at all about the experience of Palin, especially in the foreign
policy arena.

This sums it up pretty well: http://tinyurl.com/648l6y
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

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On Aug 29, 4:32*pm, John H wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:22:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Aug 29, 4:17 pm, John H wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:07:41 -0400, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 29, 3:42 pm, John H wrote:

McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. *He
has NO executive experience at all. *Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.
Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. *Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

Obama is totally, completely, and uniquely unprepared to fill Bush's shoes
should he leave office in January.

Bravo!!! *Well said.

D'oh and D'oh...wait until Justwait and the rest of the LBO's chime in...

Quite respectable, Harry.

--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

* * * * * John H

Says a lot doesnt it when the Gov of AK has more executive experience
than both the Dem pres and VP candidates together. *Obama who has been
comically unsuccessful in life thinks Palin has no qualifications.
Remember, Obama actually thinks there are 57 states.

It is astounding that anyone on the Obama side of the fence would make any
comment at all about the experience of Palin, especially in the foreign
policy arena.

This sums it up pretty well:http://tinyurl.com/648l6y
--

That deserves a quote:

"During the entire primary campaign, Obama kept telling voters that
his judgment overruled his lack of experience. Now, suddenly, it
doesn’t — but that puts Barack Obama at the same level as Sarah Palin,
or even below, as Palin has the executive experience that Obama
lacks. Moreover, Palin has spent her time in politics actually
accomplishing reform and challenging the political machine in her own
party. Did Obama do that?
And let’s not forget that Palin is running for the Vice Presidency.
Obama, with his complete lack of the experience his campaign now
suddenly believes is crucial for the job, wants to be President.
This is a foolish, bitter, and tone-deaf message. As one source close
to the McCain campaign put it, “We already know what Barack Obama
thinks about small town America. But the bitterness of the Obama
campaign’s knee jerk attack says more about them than anything else.”

The Obamanation is as rattled as Harry. Delicious.

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On Aug 29, 4:32*pm, John H wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:22:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Aug 29, 4:17 pm, John H wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:07:41 -0400, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 29, 3:42 pm, John H wrote:

McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. *He
has NO executive experience at all. *Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.
Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. *Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

Obama is totally, completely, and uniquely unprepared to fill Bush's shoes
should he leave office in January.

Bravo!!! *Well said.

D'oh and D'oh...wait until Justwait and the rest of the LBO's chime in...

Quite respectable, Harry.

--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

* * * * * John H

Says a lot doesnt it when the Gov of AK has more executive experience
than both the Dem pres and VP candidates together. *Obama who has been
comically unsuccessful in life thinks Palin has no qualifications.
Remember, Obama actually thinks there are 57 states.

It is astounding that anyone on the Obama side of the fence would make any
comment at all about the experience of Palin, especially in the foreign
policy arena.

This sums it up pretty well:http://tinyurl.com/648l6y
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

* * * * * John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, call me simple.. I think the repubs just pulled a slam dunk..
The only option the dems have now is their old standby, voter fraud;)

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"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.


She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes in an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.
Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes in an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch



Think of a horrific scenario...a month after taking office the next
president of the united states suddenly suffers a stroke, or is
assassinated or dies in a plane crash.

So, February 20th, 2009, either Joe Biden or Sarah Palin is president of
the United States.

Palin is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. She is
starting at ground zero.

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On Aug 29, 6:38*pm, hk wrote:


Think of a horrific scenario...Next January President Bush leaves office and Barak Obama is president of
the United States.

Obama is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. He is
starting at ground zero

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On Aug 29, 6:34*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

. ..



wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. *He
has NO executive experience at all. *Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. *Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes in an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. *What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch


Dem ticket - POTUS candidate has less than 200 days in the Senate with
no executive decision making experience and limited foreign policy
experience.

Rep ticket - POTUS candidate has over 25 years US Congress experience
with a running mate with 2 years executive experience as governor of
Alaska.

You think the Dem ticket is stronger?

Please explain.

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"hk" wrote in message
. ..


Palin is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. She is
starting at ground zero.



I knew virtually nothing about her until the networks started unofficially
announcing McCain's decision.

I did some Googling for a while, trying to get a feel for her background and
experience.

I am very impressed with her apparent successes to date, her humble
political beginnings and, above all, her apparent tenacity and courage.

But, she's a complete amateur in the field of global politics and
international relations. Her degree is in Journalism for cripes sake!

As interesting, attractive, refreshing and innovative as she may be, we
don't need another amateur one heartbeat from the presidency in this age of
high stake international politics.

McCain has the right stuff. But he is 72 years old. What the hell was he
thinking?

Eisboch

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On Aug 29, 6:57*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

. ..



Palin is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. She is
starting at ground zero.

I knew virtually nothing about her until the networks started unofficially
announcing McCain's decision.

I did some Googling for a while, trying to get a feel for her background and
experience.

I am very impressed with her apparent successes to date, her humble
political beginnings and, above all, her apparent tenacity and courage.

But, she's a complete amateur in the field of global politics and
international relations. *Her degree is in Journalism for cripes sake!

As interesting, attractive, refreshing and innovative as she may be, we
don't need another amateur one heartbeat from the presidency in this age of
high stake international politics.

McCain has the right stuff. *But he is 72 years old. *What the hell was he
thinking?

Eisboch

What global politics and international relations experience does Obama
(the *head* of the other ticket) have?

Who is Putin rooting for?

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On Aug 29, 7:03*pm, JimH wrote:
On Aug 29, 6:57*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



"hk" wrote in message

...

Palin is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. She is
starting at ground zero.

I knew virtually nothing about her until the networks started unofficially
announcing McCain's decision.

I did some Googling for a while, trying to get a feel for her background and
experience.

I am very impressed with her apparent successes to date, her humble
political beginnings and, above all, her apparent tenacity and courage.

But, she's a complete amateur in the field of global politics and
international relations. *Her degree is in Journalism for cripes sake!

As interesting, attractive, refreshing and innovative as she may be, we
don't need another amateur one heartbeat from the presidency in this age of
high stake international politics.

McCain has the right stuff. *But he is 72 years old. *What the hell was he
thinking?

Eisboch

What global politics and international relations experience does Obama
(the *head* of the other ticket) have?

Who is Putin rooting for?


BTW: A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on the other ticket. ;-)

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"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Aug 29, 6:34 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

. ..



wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes in
an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch


Dem ticket - POTUS candidate has less than 200 days in the Senate with
no executive decision making experience and limited foreign policy
experience.

Rep ticket - POTUS candidate has over 25 years US Congress experience
with a running mate with 2 years executive experience as governor of
Alaska.

You think the Dem ticket is stronger?

Please explain.



To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest or
affect on the union of 50 states. Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of divisive
priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to serve.
Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics with
absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international issues.

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

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On Aug 29, 7:17*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 6:34 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



"hk" wrote in message

...

wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes in
an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch

Dem ticket - POTUS candidate has less than 200 days in the Senate with
no executive decision making experience and limited foreign policy
experience.

Rep ticket - POTUS candidate has over 25 years US Congress experience
with a running mate with 2 years executive experience as governor of
Alaska.

You think the Dem ticket is stronger?

Please explain.

To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest or
affect on the union of 50 states. * * Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. *He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. *Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of divisive
priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) *strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. * He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to serve.
Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics with
absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international issues..

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.

Common sense? It leans to ticket 2 IMO.

BTW: A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on one ticket................

Common sense?

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

On Aug 29, 6:57 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:


McCain has the right stuff. But he is 72 years old. What the hell was he
thinking?

Eisboch


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
What global politics and international relations experience does Obama
(the *head* of the other ticket) have?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The President's role is to set goals, objectives and "culture" of his
administration.
He appoints, hires and directs a team to achieve those goals.

Obama has the smarts and executive level thinking to do that. He, by
himself, need not be the "expert".
Biden, with his experience, will be a significant asset to Obama's executive
team.

That's the problem with McCain's choice. McCain himself may be qualified,
but the second in command isn't.


-------------------------
Who is Putin rooting for?
---------------------------

Who give's a rat's ass who Putin is rooting for?

Eisboch

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On Aug 29, 7:29*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...

On Aug 29, 6:57 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



McCain has the right stuff. But he is 72 years old. What the hell was he
thinking?

Eisboch

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
* * * What global politics and international relations experience does Obama
* * * (the *head* of the other ticket) have?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The President's role is to set goals, objectives and "culture" of his
administration.
He appoints, hires and directs a team to achieve those goals.

Obama has the smarts and executive level thinking to do that. * He, by
himself, need not be the "expert".
Biden, with his experience, will be a significant asset to Obama's executive
team.

That's the problem with McCain's choice. * McCain himself may be qualified,
but the second in command isn't.

-------------------------
* * * Who is Putin rooting for?
---------------------------

Who give's a rat's ass who Putin is rooting for?

Eisboch

How do you know Obama has the *smarts and executive level thinking*
abilities?

Because he looks good in a suit and delivers a nice speech written by
others?

Hell. even Hillary questioned his qualifications earlier this year.

Putin.........the enemy of my enemy is my friend........I thought
you knew that.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

---------------------------------------
BTW: A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on the other ticket. ;-)
------------------------------------------

Absolutely true.

But, Obama demonstrated a much better executive decision making capability
by choosing Biden as his running mate.
It stands to reason that he would do the same again in the event Biden was
unable to serve.


2nd point ....

If Obama's only motivation was in winning the November election, Biden
would not likely be his choice. He could have virtually guaranteed a
November landslide by choosing Hillary. Instead, he chose someone to add
to his credentials and who could step in, if necessary with minimal risk to
the nation.

McCain didn't do that.

That's why I am having a major change of heart.

Eisboch

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On Aug 29, 7:29*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...

On Aug 29, 6:57 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



McCain has the right stuff. But he is 72 years old. What the hell was he
thinking?

Eisboch

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
* * * What global politics and international relations experience does Obama
* * * (the *head* of the other ticket) have?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The President's role is to set goals, objectives and "culture" of his
administration.
He appoints, hires and directs a team to achieve those goals.

Obama has the smarts and executive level thinking to do that. * He, by
himself, need not be the "expert".
Biden, with his experience, will be a significant asset to Obama's executive
team.

That's the problem with McCain's choice. * McCain himself may be qualified,
but the second in command isn't.

-------------------------
* * * Who is Putin rooting for?
---------------------------

Who give's a rat's ass who Putin is rooting for?

Eisboch

The Georgians, the Pols, and several other small allies... As to the
experience, I think McCain can get around that by naming his cabinet
early. Neither Pres, or VP really do the research and make the
decisions. Their judgement and the folks they trust to bring them the
information is what really counts.. Obamas has shown some pretty
shakey judgement with who he has stated as his mentors and the crowd
he hangs with...

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On Aug 29, 7:38*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...

---------------------------------------
BTW: *A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on the other ticket. *;-)
------------------------------------------

Absolutely true.

But, Obama demonstrated a much better executive decision making capability
by choosing Biden as his running mate.
It *stands to reason that he would do the same again in the event Biden was
unable to serve.

2nd point ....

If Obama's only motivation *was in winning the November election, Biden
would not likely be his choice. *He could have virtually guaranteed a
November landslide by choosing Hillary. * Instead, he chose someone to add
to his credentials and who could step in, if necessary with minimal risk to
the nation.

McCain didn't do that.

That's why I am having a major change of heart.

Eisboch


Although I think your logic is flawed.......to each their own.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JimH" wrote in message
...

---------------------------------------
BTW: A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on the other ticket. ;-)
------------------------------------------

Absolutely true.

But, Obama demonstrated a much better executive decision making capability
by choosing Biden as his running mate.
It stands to reason that he would do the same again in the event Biden
was unable to serve.


2nd point ....

If Obama's only motivation was in winning the November election, Biden
would not likely be his choice. He could have virtually guaranteed a
November landslide by choosing Hillary. Instead, he chose someone to add
to his credentials and who could step in, if necessary with minimal risk
to the nation.

McCain didn't do that.

That's why I am having a major change of heart.

Eisboch


Good analysis. I believe you have stated that you are not a registered
anything. I am not either and never pull the straight party ticket.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.
--------------------------------------------------------

I threw that in hoping it would avoid misunderstandings and fruitless debate
that has nothing to do with this subject.


Eisboch

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"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Aug 29, 7:17 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 6:34 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



"hk" wrote in message

...

wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully.
He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes
in
an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch

Dem ticket - POTUS candidate has less than 200 days in the Senate with
no executive decision making experience and limited foreign policy
experience.

Rep ticket - POTUS candidate has over 25 years US Congress experience
with a running mate with 2 years executive experience as governor of
Alaska.

You think the Dem ticket is stronger?

Please explain.

To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest
or
affect on the union of 50 states. Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of
divisive
priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to
serve.
Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics with
absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international issues.

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.

Common sense? It leans to ticket 2 IMO.

BTW: A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on one ticket................

Common sense?

==================================

As I'm sure you are aware, melanoma is a scary disease, and may rear its
ugly head in McCain's body again at any time. That's serious stuff. Ms.
Palin just doesn't have the right experience at this time for the VP job.

The odds of Obama making for it 4 or 12 years are much better than McCain's.
And if required to step up to the top spot I'd rather have Biden.

Who will I vote for, don't know yet and won't make my final decision for
several weeks.

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On Aug 29, 7:58*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...

Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.
--------------------------------------------------------

I threw that in hoping it would avoid misunderstandings and fruitless debate
that has nothing to do with this subject.

Eisboch

And it has not.

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On Aug 29, 8:00*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 7:17 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



"JimH" wrote in message

....
On Aug 29, 6:34 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message

...

wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully..
He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes
in
an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch

Dem ticket - POTUS candidate has less than 200 days in the Senate with
no executive decision making experience and limited foreign policy
experience.

Rep ticket - POTUS candidate has over 25 years US Congress experience
with a running mate with 2 years executive experience as governor of
Alaska.

You think the Dem ticket is stronger?

Please explain.

To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest
or
affect on the union of 50 states. Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of
divisive
priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to
serve.
Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics with
absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international issues.

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.

Common sense? * It leans to ticket 2 IMO.

BTW: *A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on one ticket................

Common sense?

==================================

As I'm sure you are aware, melanoma is a scary disease, and may rear its
ugly head in McCain's body again at any time. *That's serious stuff. *Ms.
Palin just doesn't have the right experience at this time for the VP job.

The odds of Obama making for it 4 or 12 years are much better than McCain's.
And if required to step up to the top spot I'd rather have Biden.

Who will I vote for, don't know yet and won't make my final decision for
several weeks.

Fair engough.

Now explain how the main at the top of the other ticket has the right
experience for the POTUS job.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Aug 29, 8:00 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 7:17 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:



"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 6:34 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message

...

wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying
"McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully.
He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and
lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes
in
an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch

Dem ticket - POTUS candidate has less than 200 days in the Senate with
no executive decision making experience and limited foreign policy
experience.

Rep ticket - POTUS candidate has over 25 years US Congress experience
with a running mate with 2 years executive experience as governor of
Alaska.

You think the Dem ticket is stronger?

Please explain.

To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest
or
affect on the union of 50 states. Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of
divisive
priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to
serve.
Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics with
absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international
issues.

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing
to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.

Common sense? It leans to ticket 2 IMO.

BTW: A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on one ticket................

Common sense?

==================================

As I'm sure you are aware, melanoma is a scary disease, and may rear its
ugly head in McCain's body again at any time. That's serious stuff. Ms.
Palin just doesn't have the right experience at this time for the VP job.

The odds of Obama making for it 4 or 12 years are much better than
McCain's.
And if required to step up to the top spot I'd rather have Biden.

Who will I vote for, don't know yet and won't make my final decision for
several weeks.

Fair engough.

Now explain how the main at the top of the other ticket has the right
experience for the POTUS job.

===============================================

In my mind, of the four participants, the best pair is probably
McCain/Biden.

I can fantisize, can't I?

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To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest
or affect on the union of 50 states. Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of
divisive priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to
serve. Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics
with absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international
issues.

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

Richard, it appears to me that your thinking on this issue is very
traditional and "in the box". To be honest, my first reaction to the news
of Palin was the same as yours. But as the day has progressed, and I've let
it all sink in, I'm at least willing to allow for the possibility that there
may just be a stroke of genius in McCain's choice.

First, as to your concern that McCain picked his running mate to help him
get elected, there's no news there. All Veep choices by all POTUS
candidates are primarily based for just that purpose, at least at first
blush. And in this case, Palin will no doubt heal rifts within the GOP
conservative base that unfortunately needed tending to. Then there's the
real possibility that she may indeed capture a segment of independent women
voters that might have otherwise gone the other way.

Second, I'm sympathetic to your concern about the "heartbeat away" scenario.
It's a long way from ideal, for sure. But I truly believe you build your
ticket with your primary focus on your A game, not on your B game.

If you're willing to look beyond the obvious elements of shoring up the
conservative base and the blatant grab for female votes, and if you could at
least temporarily put the B game scenario on the shelf, I think the real
reason McCain made this choice starts to shine through, and I think it just
might be saleable and work just fine in practice.

It's just possible, and it is my genuine hope, that John McCain is truly
sick of the constipation that is Washington politics. If that is indeed the
case, then I think that he sees his A game as one of shaking Washington's
business as usual to its core, and effecting real and meaningful change to
the process. If that's going to happen, it will mean courageous, out-of-the
box thinking, bold actions and ultimately, stepping on more than a few toes
of the otherwise entrenched. McCain's choice in Palin is just that kind of
dynamic thinking and action. Sarah Palin's admittedly brief political
career has been all about shaking up the status quo, and taking on
entrenched and corrupt political machinery. She appears to have a very
strong compass that seems to have no problem pointing in the direction of
what's right for her constituency versus that of special interests. In
short, this young woman has been in the business of kicking asses and taking
names of those who seriously needed it since she's been in office. She has
faced down power and corruption even within her own party. She doesn't
appear to have taken an ounce of **** from anyone, including Big Oil.
That's a level of experience that is not only refreshing, but unmatched by
Obama.

Clearly, this election is about change. It's a concept that has been beaten
to death with platitudes. It's just possible that today we saw a ticket put
together that really has a chance at bringing about that change with
surprising and bold moves. Now it comes down to convincing the electorate.
But I think that McCain's Veep choice shows that he does, in fact, "get it"
that most Americans are extremely unhappy with the way Washington (doesn't)
work, and they want it fixed. I think a more traditional choice on McCain's
part would have only reinforced the image that he doesn't get it, and it
would have weakened his posture as a maverick and agent for change.

It will certainly be interesting to see how the partnership of McCain and
Palin develops and how it gets sold to the American public. I'm guessing
it's likely to either be a huge success or a dismal failure. But at this
point, I see more than a glimmer of hope that it just might be exactly what
was needed.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:38:27 -0400, hk wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.
Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes in an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch



Think of a horrific scenario...a month after taking office the next
president of the united states suddenly suffers a stroke, or is
assassinated or dies in a plane crash.

So, February 20th, 2009, either Joe Biden or Sarah Palin is president of
the United States.

Palin is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. She is
starting at ground zero.

Think of a worse scenario: Obama gets elected and Bush leaves office in
January. Obama cannot be prepared, not for years. He is starting at ground
zero. He's not even had to put up with the late night emergencies most
mother's do.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 29, 6:38*pm, hk wrote:


Think of a horrific scenario...Next January President Bush leaves office and Barak Obama is president of
the United States.

Obama is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. He is
starting at ground zero

Great minds think alike. Next time I'll read yours first!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:35:09 -0400, John H wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:38:27 -0400, hk wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully. He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.
Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes in an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch



Think of a horrific scenario...a month after taking office the next
president of the united states suddenly suffers a stroke, or is
assassinated or dies in a plane crash.

So, February 20th, 2009, either Joe Biden or Sarah Palin is president of
the United States.

Palin is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. She is
starting at ground zero.

Think of a worse scenario: Obama gets elected and Bush leaves office in
January. Obama cannot be prepared, not for years. He is starting at ground
zero. He's not even had to put up with the late night emergencies most
mother's do.

We agree!

Hip-Hip-Hooray!

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On Aug 29, 9:35*pm, John H wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 29, 6:38*pm, hk wrote:

Think of a horrific scenario...Next January President Bush leaves office and Barak Obama is president of
the United States.

Obama is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. He is
starting at ground zero

Great minds think alike. Next time I'll read yours first!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

* * * * * John H

I may never be known as a great mind, but honest minds look at one and
one and see two, even if they would rather it be five....;)

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