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"JimH" wrote in message
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On Aug 29, 7:17 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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On Aug 29, 6:34 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message

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wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully.
He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes
in
an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch

Dem ticket - POTUS candidate has less than 200 days in the Senate with
no executive decision making experience and limited foreign policy
experience.

Rep ticket - POTUS candidate has over 25 years US Congress experience
with a running mate with 2 years executive experience as governor of
Alaska.

You think the Dem ticket is stronger?

Please explain.

To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest
or
affect on the union of 50 states. Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of
divisive
priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to
serve.
Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics with
absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international issues.

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.

Common sense? It leans to ticket 2 IMO.

BTW: A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on one ticket................

Common sense?

==================================

As I'm sure you are aware, melanoma is a scary disease, and may rear its
ugly head in McCain's body again at any time. That's serious stuff. Ms.
Palin just doesn't have the right experience at this time for the VP job.

The odds of Obama making for it 4 or 12 years are much better than McCain's.
And if required to step up to the top spot I'd rather have Biden.

Who will I vote for, don't know yet and won't make my final decision for
several weeks.

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On Aug 29, 7:58*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.
--------------------------------------------------------

I threw that in hoping it would avoid misunderstandings and fruitless debate
that has nothing to do with this subject.

Eisboch

And it has not.

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On Aug 29, 8:00*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 7:17 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message

....
On Aug 29, 6:34 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message

...

wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying "McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully..
He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes
in
an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch

Dem ticket - POTUS candidate has less than 200 days in the Senate with
no executive decision making experience and limited foreign policy
experience.

Rep ticket - POTUS candidate has over 25 years US Congress experience
with a running mate with 2 years executive experience as governor of
Alaska.

You think the Dem ticket is stronger?

Please explain.

To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest
or
affect on the union of 50 states. Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of
divisive
priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to
serve.
Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics with
absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international issues.

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.

Common sense? * It leans to ticket 2 IMO.

BTW: *A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on one ticket................

Common sense?

==================================

As I'm sure you are aware, melanoma is a scary disease, and may rear its
ugly head in McCain's body again at any time. *That's serious stuff. *Ms.
Palin just doesn't have the right experience at this time for the VP job.

The odds of Obama making for it 4 or 12 years are much better than McCain's.
And if required to step up to the top spot I'd rather have Biden.

Who will I vote for, don't know yet and won't make my final decision for
several weeks.

Fair engough.

Now explain how the main at the top of the other ticket has the right
experience for the POTUS job.

more drool from borowitz

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Aug 29, 8:00 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 7:17 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message

...
On Aug 29, 6:34 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message

...

wrote:
On Aug 29, 2:29 pm, wrote:
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
More drool from andy..
You might have started out in your usual stupid way, saying
"McCain
didn't say that
McCain is right though, Obama has NEVER run anything successfully.
He
has NO executive experience at all. Palin is at least Governor and
has that experience.

Actually, Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama
combined. Obama bringing this up only shows his inexperience and
lack
of knowledge.

She is totally completely uniquely unprepared to fill McCain's shoes
in
an
instant if he is disabled or dies suddenly.

My feelings exactly. What the hell was he thinking?

Eisboch

Dem ticket - POTUS candidate has less than 200 days in the Senate with
no executive decision making experience and limited foreign policy
experience.

Rep ticket - POTUS candidate has over 25 years US Congress experience
with a running mate with 2 years executive experience as governor of
Alaska.

You think the Dem ticket is stronger?

Please explain.

To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest
or
affect on the union of 50 states. Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of
divisive
priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to
serve.
Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics with
absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international
issues.

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing
to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

Liberal vs conservative............I never brought that up in my
discussion with you yet this is the second time you bring it up.

Common sense? It leans to ticket 2 IMO.

BTW: A 66 year old VP candidate with untold health problems is just a
heartbeat away from the Presidency on one ticket................

Common sense?

==================================

As I'm sure you are aware, melanoma is a scary disease, and may rear its
ugly head in McCain's body again at any time. That's serious stuff. Ms.
Palin just doesn't have the right experience at this time for the VP job.

The odds of Obama making for it 4 or 12 years are much better than
McCain's.
And if required to step up to the top spot I'd rather have Biden.

Who will I vote for, don't know yet and won't make my final decision for
several weeks.

Fair engough.

Now explain how the main at the top of the other ticket has the right
experience for the POTUS job.

===============================================

In my mind, of the four participants, the best pair is probably
McCain/Biden.

I can fantisize, can't I?

more drool from borowitz

To understand my opinion, you have to at least understand my personal
criteria for qualifications, right or wrong.

Repeating myself (my opinion) ..... the office of POTUS is primarily
responsible for national security, defense and issues of common interest
or affect on the union of 50 states. Simple as that.

Obama is weak in national security issue experience. He filled that void
with his choice of Biden. Otherwise, Obama has excellent qualities of
inspirational leadership, a trait very important in the melding of
divisive priorities and chaotic world events.

McCain is (arguably to some) strong in national security issues and has
years of experience in working the "system".
But, he is 72 years old. He should have picked a much more experienced,
seasoned VP, ready to take over in the event McCain becomes unable to
serve. Instead, he picked a very nice, interesting, newbie to politics
with absolutely no experience in dealing with high level, international
issues.

It's really a matter of common sense, to me, and has absolutely nothing to
do with being liberal or conservative.

Eisboch

Richard, it appears to me that your thinking on this issue is very
traditional and "in the box". To be honest, my first reaction to the news
of Palin was the same as yours. But as the day has progressed, and I've let
it all sink in, I'm at least willing to allow for the possibility that there
may just be a stroke of genius in McCain's choice.

First, as to your concern that McCain picked his running mate to help him
get elected, there's no news there. All Veep choices by all POTUS
candidates are primarily based for just that purpose, at least at first
blush. And in this case, Palin will no doubt heal rifts within the GOP
conservative base that unfortunately needed tending to. Then there's the
real possibility that she may indeed capture a segment of independent women
voters that might have otherwise gone the other way.

Second, I'm sympathetic to your concern about the "heartbeat away" scenario.
It's a long way from ideal, for sure. But I truly believe you build your
ticket with your primary focus on your A game, not on your B game.

If you're willing to look beyond the obvious elements of shoring up the
conservative base and the blatant grab for female votes, and if you could at
least temporarily put the B game scenario on the shelf, I think the real
reason McCain made this choice starts to shine through, and I think it just
might be saleable and work just fine in practice.

It's just possible, and it is my genuine hope, that John McCain is truly
sick of the constipation that is Washington politics. If that is indeed the
case, then I think that he sees his A game as one of shaking Washington's
business as usual to its core, and effecting real and meaningful change to
the process. If that's going to happen, it will mean courageous, out-of-the
box thinking, bold actions and ultimately, stepping on more than a few toes
of the otherwise entrenched. McCain's choice in Palin is just that kind of
dynamic thinking and action. Sarah Palin's admittedly brief political
career has been all about shaking up the status quo, and taking on
entrenched and corrupt political machinery. She appears to have a very
strong compass that seems to have no problem pointing in the direction of
what's right for her constituency versus that of special interests. In
short, this young woman has been in the business of kicking asses and taking
names of those who seriously needed it since she's been in office. She has
faced down power and corruption even within her own party. She doesn't
appear to have taken an ounce of **** from anyone, including Big Oil.
That's a level of experience that is not only refreshing, but unmatched by
Obama.

Clearly, this election is about change. It's a concept that has been beaten
to death with platitudes. It's just possible that today we saw a ticket put
together that really has a chance at bringing about that change with
surprising and bold moves. Now it comes down to convincing the electorate.
But I think that McCain's Veep choice shows that he does, in fact, "get it"
that most Americans are extremely unhappy with the way Washington (doesn't)
work, and they want it fixed. I think a more traditional choice on McCain's
part would have only reinforced the image that he doesn't get it, and it
would have weakened his posture as a maverick and agent for change.

It will certainly be interesting to see how the partnership of McCain and
Palin develops and how it gets sold to the American public. I'm guessing
it's likely to either be a huge success or a dismal failure. But at this
point, I see more than a glimmer of hope that it just might be exactly what
was needed.

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On Aug 29, 9:35*pm, John H wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 29, 6:38*pm, hk wrote:

Think of a horrific scenario...Next January President Bush leaves office and Barak Obama is president of
the United States.

Obama is not prepared and cannot be prepared, not for years. He is
starting at ground zero

Great minds think alike. Next time I'll read yours first!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

* * * * * John H

I may never be known as a great mind, but honest minds look at one and
one and see two, even if they would rather it be five....;)

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