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"hk" wrote in message . .. Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s. There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the mentality these days. I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit. Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a Socialist. Eisboch |
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#2
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s. There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the mentality these days. I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit. Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a Socialist. Eisboch Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s. There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the mentality these days. I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit. Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a Socialist. Eisboch Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney. So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market, capitalistic economy? Eisboch |
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#4
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On Aug 24, 9:43*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message m... Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s. There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the mentality these days. I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit. Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a Socialist. Eisboch Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.. So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market, capitalistic economy? Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of course means, by his rules...  |
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#5
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On Aug 24, 9:47*pm, wrote:
On Aug 24, 9:43*pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message m... Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s. There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the mentality these days. I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit. Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a Socialist. Eisboch Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney. So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market, capitalistic economy? Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of course means, by his rules... - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - You know, rules like: You can't put your kid on a motorcycle, but he can rape her and sneak her over state lines for an abortion to hide the evidence. Right down to the age of 10, that is what they call, progressive... |
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#6
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#7
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s. There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the mentality these days. I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit. Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a Socialist. Eisboch Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney. So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market, capitalistic economy? Eisboch The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings" that are taxed should be eliminated. I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern European socialism. None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s. There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the mentality these days. I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit. Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a Socialist. Eisboch Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney. So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market, capitalistic economy? Eisboch The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings" that are taxed should be eliminated. I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern European socialism. None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball. I understand. I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I think you have answered the question, in a round about way. Eisboch |
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#9
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s. There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the mentality these days. I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit. Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a Socialist. Eisboch Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney. So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market, capitalistic economy? Eisboch The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings" that are taxed should be eliminated. I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern European socialism. None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball. I understand. I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I think you have answered the question, in a round about way. Eisboch Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and daughters of the very rich a little motivation. |
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#10
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"hk" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s. There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the mentality these days. I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit. Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a Socialist. Eisboch Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney. So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market, capitalistic economy? Eisboch The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings" that are taxed should be eliminated. I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern European socialism. None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball. I understand. I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I think you have answered the question, in a round about way. Eisboch Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and daughters of the very rich a little motivation. I am sure you have, but just in case, I would invite you to reread Deb's views of an ideal society. It reads very much like a collection of your many posts here on the subject. Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious agreement, are you? Eisboch |
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