Eisboch wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
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So very...

boring


You know, I don't think any of us mere mortals can understand the rigors of
running for a political national office, especially for the POTUS. Given
the countless number of speeches, rallies, questions, travel, etc., over
such a long period of time, I can forgive a few gaffes or story
inconsistencies from both sides. (although I *do* think I'd remember being
shot at upon arrival at an airport).

What concerns me more than anything else ... more than the individuals
running and screw ups they may make in the process .... is the slow but
sure progress being made to transform this country from a free, democratic
republic to democratic socialism.
The roots of this movement can be traced back to people like Eugene Debs

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h801.html

and continues today, growing strength in numbers. The modern day group,
"Democratic Socialists of America" hosts a number of similar organizations
with more sanitized names, like the "Progressive Caucus" with over 60
Congressional Democrats or other major political figures, including notables
such as Nancy Pelosi and Jesse Jackson.

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_ph...socialists.htm


I believe we should really stop and think before we continue down this path
to be sure it's what we want or need. If we choose to go this way, it will
be forever the end of the nation that our forefathers envisioned.

Eisboch



Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.

hk wrote:



Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

Who is Debs and why is she playing in the toilet?

I also want to know what Clinton was doing when he was president? If I
am not mistaken, wasn't he president for 8 yrs during the 90's?

"hk" wrote in message
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Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist
for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the
mentality these days.



I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost
exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist
for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the
mentality these days.



I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost
exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch




Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to
be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.



I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch




Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch

On Aug 24, 9:43*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...

Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.

I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch

Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney..

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of
course means, by his rules...

On Aug 24, 9:47*pm, wrote:
On Aug 24, 9:43*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:





"hk" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...

Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.

I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch

Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of
course means, by his rules...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know, rules like:
You can't put your kid on a motorcycle, but he can rape her and sneak
her over state lines for an abortion to hide the evidence. Right down
to the age of 10, that is what they call, progressive...

wrote:
On Aug 24, 9:47 pm, wrote:
On Aug 24, 9:43 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:







"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.
I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.
Eisboch
Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.
So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?
Eisboch- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of
course means, by his rules...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know, rules like:
You can't put your kid on a motorcycle, but he can rape her and sneak
her over state lines for an abortion to hide the evidence. Right down
to the age of 10, that is what they call, progressive...


Those are the choices you faced? Put your kid on a motorcycle or...

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.


I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch



Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch



The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.

"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
be the mentality these days.


I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch



Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to
be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
Cheney.

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch

The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs an
attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.



I understand.

I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
think you have answered the question, in a round about way.

Eisboch