Eisboch wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
So very...

boring


You know, I don't think any of us mere mortals can understand the rigors of
running for a political national office, especially for the POTUS. Given
the countless number of speeches, rallies, questions, travel, etc., over
such a long period of time, I can forgive a few gaffes or story
inconsistencies from both sides. (although I *do* think I'd remember being
shot at upon arrival at an airport).

What concerns me more than anything else ... more than the individuals
running and screw ups they may make in the process .... is the slow but
sure progress being made to transform this country from a free, democratic
republic to democratic socialism.
The roots of this movement can be traced back to people like Eugene Debs

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h801.html

and continues today, growing strength in numbers. The modern day group,
"Democratic Socialists of America" hosts a number of similar organizations
with more sanitized names, like the "Progressive Caucus" with over 60
Congressional Democrats or other major political figures, including notables
such as Nancy Pelosi and Jesse Jackson.

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_ph...socialists.htm


I believe we should really stop and think before we continue down this path
to be sure it's what we want or need. If we choose to go this way, it will
be forever the end of the nation that our forefathers envisioned.

Eisboch



Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.

hk wrote:



Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

Who is Debs and why is she playing in the toilet?

I also want to know what Clinton was doing when he was president? If I
am not mistaken, wasn't he president for 8 yrs during the 90's?

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:30:20 -0400, hk wrote:

photos of how one of your kids, with your encouragement, has taken
up gunfighting with live ammo for a hobby.

There are thousands of kids with that hobby. They call them
gangbangers, and they will be happy to sell you some coke.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:30:20 -0400, hk wrote:

photos of how one of your kids, with your encouragement, has taken
up gunfighting with live ammo for a hobby.

There are thousands of kids with that hobby. They call them
gangbangers, and they will be happy to sell you some coke.

Casady


That doesn't surprise me...I wonder how many of them got their "start"
as pre-teenies or teenies who made obscene gestures with the
encouragement of their parnets?


Re; coke...I prefer water with a bit of lemon or lime. :)

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t...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:47:10 -0400, Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall,
Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. wrote:


While there were not completely free markets in reference to trade
between countries. It was common to have tariffs on certain items, and
to limit who could import and/or sell certain items, free market pricing
on the majority of items and capitalism absolutely did exist well before
the revolution.

It can be argued that "true" capitalism, still doesn't exist. There have
always been government limits in defining the rules of the market. The
only real arguments we have in this country are in defining those
limits. I mean it is the basic left-right, individual-tribal, paradigm.
I was just questioning Eisboch's forefather's vision. After all, the
majority of the leaders of the Revolution were leftists.


I wrote that poorly. I was trying to make the point that our forefathers
envisioned life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not a government
social welfare system.

Eisboch

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist
for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the
mentality these days.



I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost
exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:19 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I wrote that poorly. I was trying to make the point that our
forefathers envisioned life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not
a government social welfare system.

Eisboch

That works for me.

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist
for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the
mentality these days.



I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost
exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch




Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to
be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.

wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:19 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I wrote that poorly. I was trying to make the point that our
forefathers envisioned life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not
a government social welfare system.

Eisboch

That works for me.


What we actually have is a government social welfare system for the rich.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:34:12 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a
Socialist.

Eisboch

Yeah, but, Debs started out as a Democrat. Perhaps, if he hadn't been
sent to jail for his role in the Pullman Strike, he would have remained
one. It was during that incarceration, that he read the works of Karl
Marx.

http://www.lib.niu.edu/1994/ihy941208.html