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Global warming?
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:15:30 -0400, TJ wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:49:29 -0400, TJ wrote: Now, if you can show me where the first century started with year 0, I'll concede your point. There wasn't ever a year 1 either, what's your point.? The calendar we use was invented in the 15th century and missed the birth of Jesus by about 4 1/2 years by the current best guess It doesn't matter when it was invented, or whether they got the dates of specific events correct. What does matter is how they started counting. If they started with 1, then 2000 was the end of the 20th century. If they started with 0, then 1999 was the end of the 20th century. I think they started with 1, since only mathematicians, computer programmers, and engineers start counting with 0. However, if you can show me where they started counting with the January 1 that *followed* the date when they *believed* Christ was born, then I will also concede the point. The truth is, nobody really knows. I don't think Pope Gregory ever thought he would be questioned on the matter. After all, you just don't question the Pope's edicts. TJ Go down to the store and buy a dozen eggs - do you get 11 eggs - 0 - 11?? a loaf of bread - you get "0" loaves maybe? The whole arguement is not even rediculas, it is simply stupid. |
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hk wrote:
Besides, if you wanted to know when "Christ" allegedly was born, you'd have to consult a Hebrew calendar. :) Ah, the word "Christ" in quotes, in that context. Explains a lot. In fact Harry, you reveal much more by what you *don't* say than what you do. I'm curious, Harry. Are all liberals as filled with hatred for those who disagree with them as you are? If so, I don't think we should elect one. Sounds like a diplomatic disaster waiting to happen if you ask me. TJ |
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TJ wrote:
hk wrote: Besides, if you wanted to know when "Christ" allegedly was born, you'd have to consult a Hebrew calendar. :) Ah, the word "Christ" in quotes, in that context. Explains a lot. In fact Harry, you reveal much more by what you *don't* say than what you do. I'm curious, Harry. Are all liberals as filled with hatred for those who disagree with them as you are? If so, I don't think we should elect one. Sounds like a diplomatic disaster waiting to happen if you ask me. TJ I use "Christ" in quotes because I don't believe he was the "annointed" or "the messiah. For one thing, he did not fill all the stated criteria of Jewish tradition. Are you aware that Jewish tradition requires that the messiah be a human being, and not divine? Didn't think so. But I have many other "theological" reasons. My disbelief in Jesus as "Christ" is not based upon "hate," as you simple-minded righties seem to so easily believe. My readings of religious literature tell me that Jesus was a pretty cool dude. I am most impressed by his reported compassion for the poorest among us, an attribute *not* shared by those here who most loudly proclaim their Christianity. I have a relative, retired, who really follows the teachings of Jesus. He and his wife spend almost all their time and most of their spare money helping the hungry, the homeless, the medically needy and the lonely, and they're not preachy. I would call him a "Christian." Too many of the self-described "Christians" here are "I've got mine, so screw you" Republicans. Christianity and today's right-wing Republicanism are mutually inconsistent. |
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hk wrote:
TJ wrote: hk wrote: Besides, if you wanted to know when "Christ" allegedly was born, you'd have to consult a Hebrew calendar. :) Ah, the word "Christ" in quotes, in that context. Explains a lot. In fact Harry, you reveal much more by what you *don't* say than what you do. I'm curious, Harry. Are all liberals as filled with hatred for those who disagree with them as you are? If so, I don't think we should elect one. Sounds like a diplomatic disaster waiting to happen if you ask me. TJ I use "Christ" in quotes because I don't believe he was the "annointed" or "the messiah. For one thing, he did not fill all the stated criteria of Jewish tradition. Are you aware that Jewish tradition requires that the messiah be a human being, and not divine? Didn't think so. But I have many other "theological" reasons. My disbelief in Jesus as "Christ" is not based upon "hate," as you simple-minded righties seem to so easily believe. My readings of religious literature tell me that Jesus was a pretty cool dude. I am most impressed by his reported compassion for the poorest among us, an attribute *not* shared by those here who most loudly proclaim their Christianity. I have a relative, retired, who really follows the teachings of Jesus. He and his wife spend almost all their time and most of their spare money helping the hungry, the homeless, the medically needy and the lonely, and they're not preachy. I would call him a "Christian." Too many of the self-described "Christians" here are "I've got mine, so screw you" Republicans. Christianity and today's right-wing Republicanism are mutually inconsistent. I don't care whether you consider Jesus the Messiah as prophesied by Judaism or not. If you must know, I have some doubts about that myself, despite being raised as a Christian. The idea that some dude was crucified just so I could get a get-out-of-jail-free card for heaven no matter what I might have done with my life always seemed at odds with the concept of being accountable for my own actions. I've always preferred the accountability concept. I also don't care whether you are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, or any of a thousand or so other religions - or if you have no religion at all. What difference is it supposed to make? Being the sort of person you are, of course you twisted my question into something else, something that you preferred to answer, because the question you wanted to answer made "Christians" look bad. My "hatred" question wasn't simply about religion, or any other particular specific subject. It doesn't matter what the subject is, you express hatred for all those who disagree with you. Personally, I find it practically impossible to hate anybody. Even you. But you do it so easily that I must again ask if all liberals are that way. I'm just trying to understand it, that's all. TJ |
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"TJ" wrote in message ... I don't care whether you consider Jesus the Messiah as prophesied by Judaism or not. If you must know, I have some doubts about that myself but, all I really want to know is What Kind of Boat did he have ? |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:22:02 GMT, "Rudy" wrote:
"TJ" wrote in message ... I don't care whether you consider Jesus the Messiah as prophesied by Judaism or not. If you must know, I have some doubts about that myself but, all I really want to know is What Kind of Boat did he have ? He didn't need no steeenking boat! -- John *H* |
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:46:59 -0400, TJ wrote:
hk wrote: TJ wrote: hk wrote: Besides, if you wanted to know when "Christ" allegedly was born, you'd have to consult a Hebrew calendar. :) Ah, the word "Christ" in quotes, in that context. Explains a lot. In fact Harry, you reveal much more by what you *don't* say than what you do. I'm curious, Harry. Are all liberals as filled with hatred for those who disagree with them as you are? If so, I don't think we should elect one. Sounds like a diplomatic disaster waiting to happen if you ask me. TJ I use "Christ" in quotes because I don't believe he was the "annointed" or "the messiah. For one thing, he did not fill all the stated criteria of Jewish tradition. Are you aware that Jewish tradition requires that the messiah be a human being, and not divine? Didn't think so. But I have many other "theological" reasons. My disbelief in Jesus as "Christ" is not based upon "hate," as you simple-minded righties seem to so easily believe. My readings of religious literature tell me that Jesus was a pretty cool dude. I am most impressed by his reported compassion for the poorest among us, an attribute *not* shared by those here who most loudly proclaim their Christianity. I have a relative, retired, who really follows the teachings of Jesus. He and his wife spend almost all their time and most of their spare money helping the hungry, the homeless, the medically needy and the lonely, and they're not preachy. I would call him a "Christian." Too many of the self-described "Christians" here are "I've got mine, so screw you" Republicans. Christianity and today's right-wing Republicanism are mutually inconsistent. I don't care whether you consider Jesus the Messiah as prophesied by Judaism or not. If you must know, I have some doubts about that myself, despite being raised as a Christian. The idea that some dude was crucified just so I could get a get-out-of-jail-free card for heaven no matter what I might have done with my life always seemed at odds with the concept of being accountable for my own actions. I've always preferred the accountability concept. I also don't care whether you are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, or any of a thousand or so other religions - or if you have no religion at all. What difference is it supposed to make? Being the sort of person you are, of course you twisted my question into something else, something that you preferred to answer, because the question you wanted to answer made "Christians" look bad. My "hatred" question wasn't simply about religion, or any other particular specific subject. It doesn't matter what the subject is, you express hatred for all those who disagree with you. Personally, I find it practically impossible to hate anybody. Even you. But you do it so easily that I must again ask if all liberals are that way. I'm just trying to understand it, that's all. TJ Looks like you've become one of us. Now's he's calling you some good names. "When will they ever learn, When will they ever learn?" -- John *H* |
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Global warming?
TJ wrote:
hk wrote: TJ wrote: hk wrote: Besides, if you wanted to know when "Christ" allegedly was born, you'd have to consult a Hebrew calendar. :) Ah, the word "Christ" in quotes, in that context. Explains a lot. In fact Harry, you reveal much more by what you *don't* say than what you do. I'm curious, Harry. Are all liberals as filled with hatred for those who disagree with them as you are? If so, I don't think we should elect one. Sounds like a diplomatic disaster waiting to happen if you ask me. TJ I use "Christ" in quotes because I don't believe he was the "annointed" or "the messiah. For one thing, he did not fill all the stated criteria of Jewish tradition. Are you aware that Jewish tradition requires that the messiah be a human being, and not divine? Didn't think so. But I have many other "theological" reasons. My disbelief in Jesus as "Christ" is not based upon "hate," as you simple-minded righties seem to so easily believe. My readings of religious literature tell me that Jesus was a pretty cool dude. I am most impressed by his reported compassion for the poorest among us, an attribute *not* shared by those here who most loudly proclaim their Christianity. I have a relative, retired, who really follows the teachings of Jesus. He and his wife spend almost all their time and most of their spare money helping the hungry, the homeless, the medically needy and the lonely, and they're not preachy. I would call him a "Christian." Too many of the self-described "Christians" here are "I've got mine, so screw you" Republicans. Christianity and today's right-wing Republicanism are mutually inconsistent. I don't care whether you consider Jesus the Messiah as prophesied by Judaism or not. If you must know, I have some doubts about that myself, despite being raised as a Christian. The idea that some dude was crucified just so I could get a get-out-of-jail-free card for heaven no matter what I might have done with my life always seemed at odds with the concept of being accountable for my own actions. I've always preferred the accountability concept. I also don't care whether you are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, or any of a thousand or so other religions - or if you have no religion at all. What difference is it supposed to make? Being the sort of person you are, of course you twisted my question into something else, something that you preferred to answer, because the question you wanted to answer made "Christians" look bad. My "hatred" question wasn't simply about religion, or any other particular specific subject. It doesn't matter what the subject is, you express hatred for all those who disagree with you. Personally, I find it practically impossible to hate anybody. Even you. But you do it so easily that I must again ask if all liberals are that way. I'm just trying to understand it, that's all. TJ Let us join together and offer this morning tribute to Harry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYEnpo2rma0 |
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TJ wrote:
hk wrote: TJ wrote: hk wrote: Besides, if you wanted to know when "Christ" allegedly was born, you'd have to consult a Hebrew calendar. :) Ah, the word "Christ" in quotes, in that context. Explains a lot. In fact Harry, you reveal much more by what you *don't* say than what you do. I'm curious, Harry. Are all liberals as filled with hatred for those who disagree with them as you are? If so, I don't think we should elect one. Sounds like a diplomatic disaster waiting to happen if you ask me. TJ I use "Christ" in quotes because I don't believe he was the "annointed" or "the messiah. For one thing, he did not fill all the stated criteria of Jewish tradition. Are you aware that Jewish tradition requires that the messiah be a human being, and not divine? Didn't think so. But I have many other "theological" reasons. My disbelief in Jesus as "Christ" is not based upon "hate," as you simple-minded righties seem to so easily believe. My readings of religious literature tell me that Jesus was a pretty cool dude. I am most impressed by his reported compassion for the poorest among us, an attribute *not* shared by those here who most loudly proclaim their Christianity. I have a relative, retired, who really follows the teachings of Jesus. He and his wife spend almost all their time and most of their spare money helping the hungry, the homeless, the medically needy and the lonely, and they're not preachy. I would call him a "Christian." Too many of the self-described "Christians" here are "I've got mine, so screw you" Republicans. Christianity and today's right-wing Republicanism are mutually inconsistent. I don't care whether you consider Jesus the Messiah as prophesied by Judaism or not. If you must know, I have some doubts about that myself, despite being raised as a Christian. The idea that some dude was crucified just so I could get a get-out-of-jail-free card for heaven no matter what I might have done with my life always seemed at odds with the concept of being accountable for my own actions. I've always preferred the accountability concept. I also don't care whether you are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, or any of a thousand or so other religions - or if you have no religion at all. What difference is it supposed to make? Being the sort of person you are, of course you twisted my question into something else, something that you preferred to answer, because the question you wanted to answer made "Christians" look bad. My "hatred" question wasn't simply about religion, or any other particular specific subject. It doesn't matter what the subject is, you express hatred for all those who disagree with you. Personally, I find it practically impossible to hate anybody. Even you. But you do it so easily that I must again ask if all liberals are that way. I'm just trying to understand it, that's all. TJ You're reaching. I have no use for certain posters here, and, as I have stated, I don't much care whether they live or die. That doesn't mean I "hate" them. It only means I don't give a damn about them. You righties are always overusing the word "hate." "Hate" does not have the same meaning as "dislike," "no use for," et cetera. Oh...I don't want to make "Christians" look bad. "Christians" look bad or look good depending upon their behavior. Many of the self-professed "Christians" here give Christianity a bad name. Finally, *you* asked why I put the word "Christ" in quotation marks. That was a theological question, whether you think so or not. The word "Christ" has a specific meaning, and in the case of Jesus, I don't think it applies. But, as I stated, I think Jesus, if such a person existed, was a cool dude, and certainly more of an advocate of my positions toward my fellow man than many of the self-described "Christians" who post here. So, tell me...are you just another mindless rightie, like so many of those who post here? -- No way, no how, no McCain! |
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