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Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 26th 08 01:33 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:16:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


That's what cracks me up. Both political philosophies, Left and Right,
support "empowering people". In theory, the Right empowers by minimizing
government interference. allowing people to aspire to whatever level of
interest, business and financial success they desire, based on their
individual level of motivation.

The Left "empowers" by attempting to level the playing field, demanding
equal or similar benefits, rewards and lifestyle for everyone by penalizing
those with more than average ambition.


I can put it even simpler - the Right believes in individual wealth as
part of the collective and the Left believes in the collective via
redistribution of individual wealth.

And at this point I feel a rant coming on and I'm just not in the mood
at the moment. :)

HK August 26th 08 01:34 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:36:38 -0400, DownTime wrote:


Why must I add yet another stupid plug-in this time "Microsoft
Silverlight" to watch the video via Firefox? I tried IE, but its
temporary per session and need to tolerate commercials.

Screw em, I'll pass and will wait for the Youtube version.


Hey, you're missing out on the next Microsoft antitrust saga.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...y/stream11.php

http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/20/...t-silverlight/

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/123837.asp




Thanks for the URLs...the first one explains Silverlight.

For desktops and laptops, Apple these days is fairly competitive with
Microsoft, and seems to be gaining market share. After some months of
using the MS VISTA OS and Apple's OS, I'm closer to becoming
"ambidextrous." I've noticed as many peculiarities with Apple's OS as
with Windoze. Some are "familiar" and some are way different.

One thing about the Apples I really like: the retail stores. I "save up"
my questions and when I visit one of the malls around here with Apple
stores, I just drop in, sign up for a tech chat, and get answers. I like
that much better than the MS support model, which, for mundane stuff,
directs you to someone in India whose English and whose understanding of
technical problems is minimal.

I also think the Apple "hardware" is more elegant than the hardware you
find on "manufactured" Windozes machines.

But I still use Windoze apps to earn my living and use my Apple laptop
mainly for a travel computer and for Aperture 2.1, Apple's version of
Photoshop, to lightly process photos I think need a bit of tweaking.
Aperture is one hell of an application.


Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 26th 08 01:40 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:14:56 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:36:38 -0400, DownTime wrote:


Why must I add yet another stupid plug-in this time "Microsoft
Silverlight" to watch the video via Firefox? I tried IE, but its
temporary per session and need to tolerate commercials.

Screw em, I'll pass and will wait for the Youtube version.


Hey, you're missing out on the next Microsoft antitrust saga.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...y/stream11.php

http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/20/...t-silverlight/

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/123837.asp


Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?

Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. :)

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 26th 08 01:47 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:16:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


That's what cracks me up. Both political philosophies, Left and Right,
support "empowering people". In theory, the Right empowers by minimizing
government interference. allowing people to aspire to whatever level of
interest, business and financial success they desire, based on their
individual level of motivation.

The Left "empowers" by attempting to level the playing field, demanding
equal or similar benefits, rewards and lifestyle for everyone by penalizing
those with more than average ambition.


I can put it even simpler - the Right believes in individual wealth as
part of the collective and the Left believes in the collective via
redistribution of individual wealth.

And at this point I feel a rant coming on and I'm just not in the mood
at the moment. :)


The Republican's have swayed from their core belief for the last 8 yrs,
which has the potential to chase away the independent voters. They need
to get back to conservative fiscal responsibility, providing an
opportunity to excel and stop pandering to the religious right.

HK August 26th 08 01:48 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:14:56 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:36:38 -0400, DownTime wrote:


Why must I add yet another stupid plug-in this time "Microsoft
Silverlight" to watch the video via Firefox? I tried IE, but its
temporary per session and need to tolerate commercials.

Screw em, I'll pass and will wait for the Youtube version.

Hey, you're missing out on the next Microsoft antitrust saga.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...y/stream11.php

http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/20/...t-silverlight/

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/123837.asp


Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?

Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. :)



I find "highly amusing" the discussions here about operating systems and
utilities/helper programs, especially the comments about operating
systems certain posters don't use.

I'm less of a fan of Adobe apps than I am of Microsoft apps. The less
"flash" the better.

[email protected] August 26th 08 01:52 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
On Aug 26, 8:48*am, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:14:56 -0500, wrote:


On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:36:38 -0400, DownTime wrote:


Why must I add yet another stupid plug-in this time "Microsoft
Silverlight" to watch the video via Firefox? I tried IE, but its
temporary per session and need to tolerate commercials.


Screw em, I'll pass and will wait for the Youtube version.
Hey, you're missing out on the next Microsoft antitrust saga.


http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...y/stream11.php


http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/20/...t-silverlight/


http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/123837.asp


Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?


Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. *:)


I find "highly amusing" the discussions here about operating systems and
* utilities/helper programs, especially the comments about operating
systems certain posters don't use.

I'm less of a fan of Adobe apps than I am of Microsoft apps. The less
"flash" the better.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


It always amazes me when someone buys their very first Mac, and all of
a sudden they are experts.. Especially those who know little more
about computers than the opening splash tells them....

HK August 26th 08 01:58 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:14:56 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:36:38 -0400, DownTime wrote:
Why must I add yet another stupid plug-in this time "Microsoft
Silverlight" to watch the video via Firefox? I tried IE, but its
temporary per session and need to tolerate commercials.
Screw em, I'll pass and will wait for the Youtube version.
Hey, you're missing out on the next Microsoft antitrust saga.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...y/stream11.php
http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/20/...t-silverlight/
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/123837.asp
Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?
Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. :)

I find "highly amusing" the discussions here about operating systems and
utilities/helper programs, especially the comments about operating
systems certain posters don't use.

I'm less of a fan of Adobe apps than I am of Microsoft apps. The less
"flash" the better.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


It always amazes me when someone buys their very first Mac, and all of
a sudden they are experts.. Especially those who know little more
about computers than the opening splash tells them....



You really are a hopelessly ignorant dumb foch. I've been messing around
with Mac computers for at least five years, though I didn't get my first
one until earlier this year. One of my long-time clients is a Mac site,
and when I have to work on projects there, I use a MAc, and have since
2002 or so.

As for computer knowledge, it is obvious from your posts here the last
few weeks, you know less about computers than you do about welding or
keeping your children safe.

Don't forget to vote Republican this November. They certainly will NOT
help you resolve your medical issues.


[email protected] August 26th 08 02:03 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:40:25 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?

Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. :)


Tell that to Netscape, the one time dominant browser.

[email protected] August 26th 08 02:05 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
On Aug 26, 8:58*am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:14:56 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:36:38 -0400, DownTime wrote:
Why must I add yet another stupid plug-in this time "Microsoft
Silverlight" to watch the video via Firefox? I tried IE, but its
temporary per session and need to tolerate commercials.
Screw em, I'll pass and will wait for the Youtube version.
Hey, you're missing out on the next Microsoft antitrust saga.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...y/stream11.php
http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/20/...t-silverlight/
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/123837.asp
Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?
Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. *:)
I find "highly amusing" the discussions here about operating systems and
* utilities/helper programs, especially the comments about operating
systems certain posters don't use.


I'm less of a fan of Adobe apps than I am of Microsoft apps. The less
"flash" the better.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


It always amazes me when someone buys their very first Mac, and all of
a sudden they are experts.. Especially those who know little more
about computers than the opening splash tells them....


You really are a hopelessly ignorant dumb foch.



And you are a proven liar and story teller. But you just keep
yapping, most times the more you talk the more you prove you don't
know any more than google told you...

HK August 26th 08 02:07 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:58 am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:14:56 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:36:38 -0400, DownTime wrote:
Why must I add yet another stupid plug-in this time "Microsoft
Silverlight" to watch the video via Firefox? I tried IE, but its
temporary per session and need to tolerate commercials.
Screw em, I'll pass and will wait for the Youtube version.
Hey, you're missing out on the next Microsoft antitrust saga.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...y/stream11.php
http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/20/...t-silverlight/
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/123837.asp
Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?
Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. :)
I find "highly amusing" the discussions here about operating systems and
utilities/helper programs, especially the comments about operating
systems certain posters don't use.
I'm less of a fan of Adobe apps than I am of Microsoft apps. The less
"flash" the better.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It always amazes me when someone buys their very first Mac, and all of
a sudden they are experts.. Especially those who know little more
about computers than the opening splash tells them....

You really are a hopelessly ignorant dumb foch.



And you are a proven liar and story teller. But you just keep
yapping, most times the more you talk the more you prove you don't
know any more than google told you...



Uh-huh.

How many weeks did it take you to figure out Agent? :)

Voting Republican this fall?


Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 26th 08 02:10 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:03:07 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:40:25 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?

Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. :)


Tell that to Netscape, the one time dominant browser.


At one time the ONLY browser until Microsoft developed Windows 3.0.
Unfortunately, Andreessen was a horrible businessman and couldn't
compete.

This is a case that relates back to Eisboch's earlier comment about
Left/Right. Andreessen wanted the government to solve his problem for
him.

Nature of competition - he got punked and badly.

And I say that as a early adopter of Mosiac and Navigator which was a
great browser - no doubt about it.

DownTime[_2_] August 26th 08 02:31 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
wrote:
I find "highly amusing" the discussions here about operating systems and
utilities/helper programs, especially the comments about operating
systems certain posters don't use.

I'm less of a fan of Adobe apps than I am of Microsoft apps. The less
"flash" the better.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


It always amazes me when someone buys their very first Mac, and all of
a sudden they are experts.. Especially those who know little more
about computers than the opening splash tells them....


My main complaint is this is yet another utility, with no doubts as to
the excess baggage it will bring along. There is absolutely no valid
reasoning to install yet another plug-in to watch a video online.

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 26th 08 03:08 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 
wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:14:56 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:36:38 -0400, DownTime wrote:
Why must I add yet another stupid plug-in this time "Microsoft
Silverlight" to watch the video via Firefox? I tried IE, but its
temporary per session and need to tolerate commercials.
Screw em, I'll pass and will wait for the Youtube version.
Hey, you're missing out on the next Microsoft antitrust saga.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...y/stream11.php
http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/20/...t-silverlight/
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/123837.asp
Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?
Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. :)

I find "highly amusing" the discussions here about operating systems and
utilities/helper programs, especially the comments about operating
systems certain posters don't use.

I'm less of a fan of Adobe apps than I am of Microsoft apps. The less
"flash" the better.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


It always amazes me when someone buys their very first Mac, and all of
a sudden they are experts.. Especially those who know little more
about computers than the opening splash tells them....


After using Vista for a year, even Harry realized Vista sucked and had
to get a Mac. All of the advantages Mac has in a laptop, are also
advantageous in a desktop. Harry hates to admit it, but even he agrees
Vista sucks a green weeny.

The only disadvantage of a MAC is the cost, but the cost saving is only
applicable on a low priced budget PC. When you compare similar systems
a MAC is competitive, maybe slightly more expensive.

Richard Casady August 26th 08 03:31 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:01:52 -0400, hk wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:36:13 -0400, hk wrote:

he Co-Op used to sell button down Gant shirts for $7.95. Same shirts
are now about $100, and the funny thing is they cost less to make now
than they did when I was a schoolboy buying them.


You do realize that a ordinary wood baseball bat costs a hundred
bucks? A major league glove costs about only about 160, somewhat
surprising.

Casady



What's your point, that we're being gouged by corporations?


I was surprised the bats were so pricey, compared to the shirt or
whatever. Bit OT but that is a way of life at this NG.

Casady

HK August 26th 08 03:49 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:01:52 -0400, hk wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:36:13 -0400, hk wrote:

he Co-Op used to sell button down Gant shirts for $7.95. Same shirts
are now about $100, and the funny thing is they cost less to make now
than they did when I was a schoolboy buying them.
You do realize that a ordinary wood baseball bat costs a hundred
bucks? A major league glove costs about only about 160, somewhat
surprising.

Casady


What's your point, that we're being gouged by corporations?


I was surprised the bats were so pricey, compared to the shirt or
whatever. Bit OT but that is a way of life at this NG.

Casady



I've seen a couple of different TV features on Louisville Slugger and
wood bats, including explanations of why the wood bats were so expensive
these days. I don't recall the reasons, but one of the rationalizations
was that aluminum bats were much, much cheaper to produce.

A $100? Way too high. There are Louisville Slugger bats of wood for
under $30. And there are also LS wood bats that go for $100. Depends
upon wood and finish.


In the 1970s, when one of my kids really got into baseball and softball
(she played both), I got "roped" into managing and coaching one of the
times. Managing had mostly to do with extorting money from the parents
of the players to buy bats, balls, uniform shirts and hats. Anyway, I
was appalled to note the transition from wood to aluminum bats was
complete and there was nothing I could do about it. I hated aluminum
bats, and still do. They don't "feel" right when you hit the ball, and
they sure do not sound right.

I played organized baseball from the little league to the pony league to
the babe ruth league to the industrial league in New Haven. There were
no bats but wood Louisville Sluggers.

One of the sponsors of one of our teams made sewing machines: Griest
Manufacturing in New Haven. There were Griest plants in several parts of
the country, and several of them sponsored kids' baseball teams.



Don White August 26th 08 03:55 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:01:52 -0400, hk wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:36:13 -0400, hk wrote:

he Co-Op used to sell button down Gant shirts for $7.95. Same shirts
are now about $100, and the funny thing is they cost less to make now
than they did when I was a schoolboy buying them.

You do realize that a ordinary wood baseball bat costs a hundred
bucks? A major league glove costs about only about 160, somewhat
surprising.

Casady



What's your point, that we're being gouged by corporations?


I was surprised the bats were so pricey, compared to the shirt or
whatever. Bit OT but that is a way of life at this NG.

Casady


Saw an item in the last year or so about that. Something about the
availability of the type of ash? required for the bats falling into short
supply.
A good aluminum bat should easily outlive any number of wood bats. Maybe a
lifetime for occasional weekend warriors.
Note... some feel amuminum bats are more dangerous because the ball rebounds
off them faster, not giving the pitcher time to duck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdx41UQM-8c



[email protected] August 26th 08 04:18 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Aug 26, 10:55*am, "Don White" wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote in message

...





On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:01:52 -0400, hk wrote:


Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:36:13 -0400, hk wrote:


he Co-Op used to sell button down Gant shirts for $7.95. Same shirts
are now about $100, and the funny thing is they cost less to make now
than they did when I was a schoolboy buying them.


You do realize that a ordinary wood baseball bat costs a hundred
bucks? A major league glove costs about only about 160, somewhat
surprising.


Casady


What's your point, that we're being gouged by corporations?


I was surprised the bats were so pricey, compared to the shirt or
whatever. Bit OT but that is a way of life at this NG.


Casady


Saw an item in the last year or so about that. Something about the
availability of the type of ash? required for the bats falling into short
supply.
A good aluminum bat should easily outlive any number of wood bats. Maybe a
lifetime for occasional weekend warriors.
Note... some feel amuminum bats are more dangerous because the ball rebounds
off them faster, not giving the pitcher time to duck.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdx41UQM-8c- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


According to Harry, people that would allow their kids to play any
sport that dangerous should have child protective services called on
them.

[email protected] August 26th 08 04:20 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Aug 26, 10:49*am, hk wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:01:52 -0400, hk wrote:


Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:36:13 -0400, hk wrote:


he Co-Op used to sell button down Gant shirts for $7.95. Same shirts
are now about $100, and the funny thing is they cost less to make now
than they did when I was a schoolboy buying them.
You do realize that a ordinary wood baseball bat costs a hundred
bucks? A major league glove costs about only about 160, somewhat
surprising.


Casady


What's your point, that we're being gouged by corporations?


I was surprised the bats were so pricey, compared to the shirt or
whatever. Bit OT but that is a way of life at this NG.


Casady


I've seen a couple of different TV features on Louisville Slugger and
wood bats, including explanations of why the wood bats were so expensive
these days. I don't recall the reasons, but one of the rationalizations
was that aluminum bats were much, much cheaper to produce.

A $100? Way too high. There are Louisville Slugger bats of wood for
under $30. And there are also LS wood bats that go for $100. Depends
upon wood and finish.

In the 1970s, when one of my kids really got into baseball and softball
(she played both), I got "roped" into managing and coaching one of the
times. Managing had mostly to do with extorting money from the parents
of the players to buy bats, balls, uniform shirts and hats. Anyway, I
was appalled to note the transition from wood to aluminum bats was
complete and there was nothing I could do about it. I hated aluminum
bats, and still do. They don't "feel" right when you hit the ball, and
they sure do not sound right.

I played organized baseball from the little league to the pony league to
the babe ruth league to the industrial league in New Haven. There were
no bats but wood Louisville Sluggers.

One of the sponsors of one of our teams made sewing machines: Griest
Manufacturing in New Haven. There were Griest plants in several parts of
the country, and several of them sponsored kids' baseball teams.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You should have had child protective services called on you for
allowing your kid to play such a horrifically dangerous sport.

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 26th 08 06:03 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
hk wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:01:52 -0400, hk wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:36:13 -0400, hk wrote:

he Co-Op used to sell button down Gant shirts for $7.95. Same
shirts are now about $100, and the funny thing is they cost less to
make now than they did when I was a schoolboy buying them.
You do realize that a ordinary wood baseball bat costs a hundred
bucks? A major league glove costs about only about 160, somewhat
surprising.

Casady

What's your point, that we're being gouged by corporations?


I was surprised the bats were so pricey, compared to the shirt or
whatever. Bit OT but that is a way of life at this NG.

Casady



I've seen a couple of different TV features on Louisville Slugger and
wood bats, including explanations of why the wood bats were so expensive
these days. I don't recall the reasons, but one of the rationalizations
was that aluminum bats were much, much cheaper to produce.

A $100? Way too high. There are Louisville Slugger bats of wood for
under $30. And there are also LS wood bats that go for $100. Depends
upon wood and finish.


In the 1970s, when one of my kids really got into baseball and softball
(she played both), I got "roped" into managing and coaching one of the
times. Managing had mostly to do with extorting money from the parents
of the players to buy bats, balls, uniform shirts and hats. Anyway, I
was appalled to note the transition from wood to aluminum bats was
complete and there was nothing I could do about it. I hated aluminum
bats, and still do. They don't "feel" right when you hit the ball, and
they sure do not sound right.

I played organized baseball from the little league to the pony league to
the babe ruth league to the industrial league in New Haven. There were
no bats but wood Louisville Sluggers.

One of the sponsors of one of our teams made sewing machines: Griest
Manufacturing in New Haven. There were Griest plants in several parts of
the country, and several of them sponsored kids' baseball teams.



Didn't you also play Rugby at the Univ. of Kansas?

Richard Casady August 26th 08 06:12 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:55:33 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

ote... some feel amuminum bats are more dangerous because the ball rebounds
off them faster, not giving the pitcher time to duck.


A home run every time? You did say the ball has a higher velocity. I
have never that alum bats hit them farther.

Casady

[email protected] August 26th 08 06:23 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Aug 26, 1:12*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:55:33 -0300, "Don White"

wrote:
ote... some feel amuminum bats are more dangerous because the ball rebounds
off them faster, not giving the pitcher time to duck.


A home run every time? You did say the ball has a higher velocity. I
have never that alum bats hit them farther.

Casady


Yeah, a whole whopping four miles per hour faster, how could a pitcher
possibly duck THAT??!!!

Scientific evidence that batted ball speed is faster for aluminum
baseball bats.

Given the amount of controvery over the metal versus wood bat issue,
there have been surprisingly few scientific studies comparing the
performance of wood and metal baseball bats. There is one paper from
1977, when aluminum bats were just beginning to assert their
prominence, which concluded that the batted ball speed of an aluminum
baseball bat was about 3.85 mph faster than a wood baseball bat.[1]
The study was conducted with six skilled college players during more
than a dozen batting practice sessions over a 5-day period. Each
player would take several swings with either a wood or aluminum bat
(randomly chosen), rest for 10 minutes, then take several swings with
the other bat. Balls were pitched from both pitching machines and
regular batting practice pitchers, but pitchers were found to be more
consistent. During the testing, the average pitched ball speed was
56.6 mph. Batted ball speeds were measured using a radar gun. Data was
collected for each player until 30 line drives were produced within a
certain range of locations in the outfield. The results were an
average batted ball speed (for line drives) of 88.6 mph for the wood
bat and 92.5 mph for the aluminum bat. A second phase of the study
attempted to explain the increase in performance of the aluminum bat
by comparing the size of the "sweet spot" for the two bats by locating
the center-of-percussion. The study found that the aluminum bat
appeared to have a larger COP than the wood bat.

[email protected] August 26th 08 06:29 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Aug 26, 1:23*pm, wrote:
On Aug 26, 1:12*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:55:33 -0300, "Don White"


wrote:
ote... some feel amuminum bats are more dangerous because the ball rebounds
off them faster, not giving the pitcher time to duck.


A home run every time? You did say the ball has a higher velocity. I
have never that alum bats hit them farther.


Casady


Yeah, a whole whopping four miles per hour faster, how could a pitcher
possibly duck THAT??!!!


I was a pitcher and I dunno' but I managed to take a linedrive off a
wooden bat once.. I don't want it to go any faster at all;)

Scientific evidence that batted ball speed is faster for aluminum
baseball bats.

Given the amount of controvery over the metal versus wood bat issue,
there have been surprisingly few scientific studies comparing the
performance of wood and metal baseball bats. There is one paper from
1977, when aluminum bats were just beginning to assert their
prominence, which concluded that the batted ball speed of an aluminum
baseball bat was about 3.85 mph faster than a wood baseball bat.[1]
The study was conducted with six skilled college players during more
than a dozen batting practice sessions over a 5-day period. Each
player would take several swings with either a wood or aluminum bat
(randomly chosen), rest for 10 minutes, then take several swings with
the other bat. Balls were pitched from both pitching machines and
regular batting practice pitchers, but pitchers were found to be more
consistent. During the testing, the average pitched ball speed was
56.6 mph. Batted ball speeds were measured using a radar gun. Data was
collected for each player until 30 line drives were produced within a
certain range of locations in the outfield. The results were an
average batted ball speed (for line drives) of 88.6 mph for the wood
bat and 92.5 mph for the aluminum bat. A second phase of the study
attempted to explain the increase in performance of the aluminum bat
by comparing the size of the "sweet spot" for the two bats by locating
the center-of-percussion. The study found that the aluminum bat
appeared to have a larger COP than the wood bat.


Of course, I would rather not take half a wooden bat to the chest
either;) Do the metal ones break off?


HK August 26th 08 06:33 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
wrote:
On Aug 26, 1:23 pm, wrote:
On Aug 26, 1:12 pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:55:33 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:
ote... some feel amuminum bats are more dangerous because the ball rebounds
off them faster, not giving the pitcher time to duck.
A home run every time? You did say the ball has a higher velocity. I
have never that alum bats hit them farther.
Casady

Yeah, a whole whopping four miles per hour faster, how could a pitcher
possibly duck THAT??!!!


I was a pitcher and I dunno' but I managed to take a linedrive off a
wooden bat once.. I don't want it to go any faster at all;)
Scientific evidence that batted ball speed is faster for aluminum
baseball bats.

Given the amount of controvery over the metal versus wood bat issue,
there have been surprisingly few scientific studies comparing the
performance of wood and metal baseball bats. There is one paper from
1977, when aluminum bats were just beginning to assert their
prominence, which concluded that the batted ball speed of an aluminum
baseball bat was about 3.85 mph faster than a wood baseball bat.[1]
The study was conducted with six skilled college players during more
than a dozen batting practice sessions over a 5-day period. Each
player would take several swings with either a wood or aluminum bat
(randomly chosen), rest for 10 minutes, then take several swings with
the other bat. Balls were pitched from both pitching machines and
regular batting practice pitchers, but pitchers were found to be more
consistent. During the testing, the average pitched ball speed was
56.6 mph. Batted ball speeds were measured using a radar gun. Data was
collected for each player until 30 line drives were produced within a
certain range of locations in the outfield. The results were an
average batted ball speed (for line drives) of 88.6 mph for the wood
bat and 92.5 mph for the aluminum bat. A second phase of the study
attempted to explain the increase in performance of the aluminum bat
by comparing the size of the "sweet spot" for the two bats by locating
the center-of-percussion. The study found that the aluminum bat
appeared to have a larger COP than the wood bat.


Of course, I would rather not take half a wooden bat to the chest
either;) Do the metal ones break off?



D'oh...what about the results when the ball isn't lobbed to the plate?

Calif Bill August 26th 08 07:16 PM

Olyimpics ... wow : STINKIN MS!
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:03:07 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:40:25 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Does anybody find it highly amusing that Adobe, who in truth, controls
almost 90% of streaming video via Flash and 75% of the digital
video/imagery/text content on the web via CS3 and Reader is ****ed off
about Silverlight being potential competition?

Talk about the pot caling the kettle black. :)


Tell that to Netscape, the one time dominant browser.


At one time the ONLY browser until Microsoft developed Windows 3.0.
Unfortunately, Andreessen was a horrible businessman and couldn't
compete.

This is a case that relates back to Eisboch's earlier comment about
Left/Right. Andreessen wanted the government to solve his problem for
him.

Nature of competition - he got punked and badly.

And I say that as a early adopter of Mosiac and Navigator which was a
great browser - no doubt about it.


Andreessen really did not own the rights to Netscape in the first place.
Was developed under a government grant to him in university. But he should
have brough in a good business guy. Give away the browser for personal use
and let the clients do the debugging. Then charge for the commercial
version. Made good money for awhile.



Calif Bill August 26th 08 07:19 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:16:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


That's what cracks me up. Both political philosophies, Left and Right,
support "empowering people". In theory, the Right empowers by minimizing
government interference. allowing people to aspire to whatever level of
interest, business and financial success they desire, based on their
individual level of motivation.

The Left "empowers" by attempting to level the playing field, demanding
equal or similar benefits, rewards and lifestyle for everyone by
penalizing
those with more than average ambition.


I can put it even simpler - the Right believes in individual wealth as
part of the collective and the Left believes in the collective via
redistribution of individual wealth.

And at this point I feel a rant coming on and I'm just not in the mood
at the moment. :)


The last 8 years, the right has not beleived in empowering the people. They
have been much like the Left. Spend, spend, spend. Just different
programs.



Calif Bill August 26th 08 07:21 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 

"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
)

There isn't a way to cook liver to make it palatable.


As a kid, I ate beef liver and didn't gag, but it was never my favorite
meal. I did enjoy the chicken livers sold at KFC.

Today, when I see it in the store, I gag. ;)

I buy all of my produce and meats in a ethnic market specializing in
Mexican and Asian products. It is amazing the parts of animals and
different sea life, that they considered a delicacy.

Surprisingly, some "scrap" animals parts, such as ox tails, sell at
outrageous prices. Ox tails and pig feet used to be some of the "parts"
that were given to the slaves, and were useless to everyone else. Now the
sell at a premium.


Like Brisket. I can buy top round to smoke cheaper than Brisket at most
stores. And Ribeye steaks used to be the cheap steak with steak and eggs.
Now seems to be higher than a good New York.



Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 26th 08 07:29 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:16:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


That's what cracks me up. Both political philosophies, Left and Right,
support "empowering people". In theory, the Right empowers by minimizing
government interference. allowing people to aspire to whatever level of
interest, business and financial success they desire, based on their
individual level of motivation.

The Left "empowers" by attempting to level the playing field, demanding
equal or similar benefits, rewards and lifestyle for everyone by
penalizing
those with more than average ambition.

I can put it even simpler - the Right believes in individual wealth as
part of the collective and the Left believes in the collective via
redistribution of individual wealth.

And at this point I feel a rant coming on and I'm just not in the mood
at the moment. :)


The last 8 years, the right has not beleived in empowering the people. They
have been much like the Left. Spend, spend, spend. Just different
programs.



It really was hard to tell the difference between one drunken sailor and
another. And don't get me started on Ashcroft and Rumsfield.

John H.[_6_] August 26th 08 07:30 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:21:10 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
)

There isn't a way to cook liver to make it palatable.


As a kid, I ate beef liver and didn't gag, but it was never my favorite
meal. I did enjoy the chicken livers sold at KFC.

Today, when I see it in the store, I gag. ;)

I buy all of my produce and meats in a ethnic market specializing in
Mexican and Asian products. It is amazing the parts of animals and
different sea life, that they considered a delicacy.

Surprisingly, some "scrap" animals parts, such as ox tails, sell at
outrageous prices. Ox tails and pig feet used to be some of the "parts"
that were given to the slaves, and were useless to everyone else. Now the
sell at a premium.


Like Brisket. I can buy top round to smoke cheaper than Brisket at most
stores. And Ribeye steaks used to be the cheap steak with steak and eggs.
Now seems to be higher than a good New York.


For years, the best kept secret was 'country style ribs'. Now they cost a
fortune.

Jerry Lane August 26th 08 08:40 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. wrote:

It really was hard



Some nice candids of the olympics:

http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle..._fotos_part_1/

http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle..._fotos_part_2/

http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle..._fotos_part_3/

JL

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 26th 08 08:56 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
Jerry Lane wrote:
Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. wrote:

It really was hard



Some nice candids of the olympics:

http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle..._fotos_part_1/


http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle..._fotos_part_2/


http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle..._fotos_part_3/


JL


Those are some of the best photos of the Olympics I have seen.

JimH[_2_] August 26th 08 09:03 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Aug 26, 3:56*pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
Jerry Lane wrote:
Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P..
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. wrote:


It really was hard


Some nice candids of the olympics:


http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle...n_2008_in_foto...


http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle...n_2008_in_foto...


http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle...n_2008_in_foto...


JL


Those are some of the best photos of the Olympics I have seen.


I agree!

[email protected] August 26th 08 09:14 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Aug 26, 1:33*pm, HK wrote:

D'oh...what about the results when the ball isn't lobbed to the plate?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Too stupid to consider simple physics?

I'll help you...... a whole whopping 8 mph.


John H.[_6_] August 26th 08 09:17 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:40:05 -0400, Jerry Lane wrote:

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. wrote:

It really was hard



Some nice candids of the olympics:

http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle..._fotos_part_1/

http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle..._fotos_part_2/

http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/galle..._fotos_part_3/

JL


Some great photos. Thanks!

Calif Bill August 26th 08 09:22 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 

"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:21:10 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message
m...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
)

There isn't a way to cook liver to make it palatable.

As a kid, I ate beef liver and didn't gag, but it was never my favorite
meal. I did enjoy the chicken livers sold at KFC.

Today, when I see it in the store, I gag. ;)

I buy all of my produce and meats in a ethnic market specializing in
Mexican and Asian products. It is amazing the parts of animals and
different sea life, that they considered a delicacy.

Surprisingly, some "scrap" animals parts, such as ox tails, sell at
outrageous prices. Ox tails and pig feet used to be some of the "parts"
that were given to the slaves, and were useless to everyone else. Now
the
sell at a premium.


Like Brisket. I can buy top round to smoke cheaper than Brisket at most
stores. And Ribeye steaks used to be the cheap steak with steak and eggs.
Now seems to be higher than a good New York.


For years, the best kept secret was 'country style ribs'. Now they cost a
fortune.


Safeway has them on $1.99 sale sometimes.



-rick- August 27th 08 05:08 AM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
Eisboch wrote:

That's what cracks me up. Both political philosophies, Left and Right,
support "empowering people". In theory, the Right empowers by minimizing
government interference. allowing people to aspire to whatever level of
interest, business and financial success they desire, based on their
individual level of motivation.

The Left "empowers" by attempting to level the playing field, demanding
equal or similar benefits, rewards and lifestyle for everyone by penalizing
those with more than average ambition.


I don't think that's accurate. I'm fairly left leaning due
to the historically pitiful performance of the right and I
just want fair/honest ground rules to minimize deception and
help provide equal opportunity, *not* equal outcome.

Externalization of costs onto the public while privatizing
profits and crony capitalism run amuck has been a
significant burden on average citizens with respect to
energy, health, defense, and the environment.


--
"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth
about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would
be chased down in the streets and lynched."
-George H. W. Bush, spoken in an interview with
Sarah McClendon, June 1992

Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 27th 08 12:43 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:08:45 -0700, -rick- wrote:

I don't think that's accurate. I'm fairly left leaning due
to the historically pitiful performance of the right and I
just want fair/honest ground rules to minimize deception and
help provide equal opportunity, *not* equal outcome.


There is no such thing as equal opportunity without equal outcome.
It's typical economic pablum for simpletons for the reason that
providing a means in which every one has a equal chance to achieve a
goal is by definition special intervention which is anything other
than "equal" because it results in an equal outcome by definition.

How do you define "equal"? Do you provide an equal opportunity for a
borderline mental competant to learn quantum physics? Do you divide
by class structure? How is it done?

Let's assume for the moment that you have a work force of people of
whom 2/3's are 6 feet tall and 1/3 4 feet tall. Do you have to hire 1
1/3 four foot person for every 6 foot person you have to hire? Is
that equal?

Externalization of costs onto the public while privatizing
profits and crony capitalism run amuck has been a
significant burden on average citizens with respect to
energy, health, defense, and the environment.


And it's been that way since the beginning of time and will continue
until time ends. It's endemic in all economic systems from the
collective to the non-collective.

Get over it and get used to it.

Richard Casady August 27th 08 03:18 PM

Olyimpics ... wow
 
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:43:12 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Let's assume for the moment that you have a work force of people of
whom 2/3's are 6 feet tall and 1/3 4 feet tall. Do you have to hire 1
1/3 four foot person for every 6 foot person you have to hire? Is
that equal?


I don't understand your arithmatic. How does more in the work force
translate to hiring fewer.

Casady


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