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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk wrote:


The only possibility I can think of is that the woman was extremely
nearsighted, and couldn't quite focus on me. :)

Was probably that Old Spice.

--Vic


Ahhhh! Maybe I should order another liter, er, gallon!

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On Aug 19, 7:15 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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Here's what i have:
Fender Blues Deville from the 90's Beautiful tone. Only difference
between it and a Hot Rod Deville is the HRDV has overdrive and the BDV
doesn't.

http://www.alpha-music.com/productca...dcategory=0&id...

I looked at a Tweed also, but my mind was set on the Twin before I even got
to the music shop.

My interest is old school. I very rarely use the overdrive/distortion
channels on the other Fender or Vox, and then only to screw around a bit.

I like it clean.

Eisboch

Yeah, chean w/ reverb works for me too.

be glad you didn't get a tweed. if anything else, for appearances.
They've got a cool vintage type look, however, they get dirty easily
and are hard to keep clean. Oh well. I suppose that adds to the "mojo"
though.

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On Aug 19, 7:55 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:04:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:19 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
om...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
similar power level solid state monoblock.

I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth",
just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England. :-)

Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.

Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :)

I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening
after
dark.

Now that's a sight. :)

Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass
tubes
in
the rx and tx would glow for sure.

Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four
811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel.

Got it, tnx.....memory fart.

The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the
S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes.

Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :)

I used to have a KW-1. There was a real brute. While I was in the USMC on
Okinawa in '59 I used to transmit hour after hour of RTTY messages back
home
at full legal power plus a little for good measure.

I used to work MARS all the time when I was in SEA - loved the ability
to REALLY crank it up. :)

QRP? HA!!!

Anyhoo...

My Dad was a rather conservative soul, but when it came to radios, he
and his life long friend Fred used to "experiment" with antennas and
such.

Probably the classic Ed and Fred device was a 75 meter base loaded
antenna on his '54 Ford Crown Victoria powered by a homebrew
California kilowatt amp excited by his KWM-2. They jury rigged a
second generator and battery system to power the whole thing.

Occasionally, when the weather was right, you could produce a corona
ball off the tip of the antenna which was a sight in and of it'self
never mind the base loaded antenna. To keep it upright, they used
huge electrical service insulators and manilla rope tied off to the
door posts. :)

Then there...well, we'll tell that one another time. :)

I've seen some really wild mobile contraptions in my day. Your Dad's sounds
like a real prize.

Heh - Fred had a '58 Chevy wagon and his wife used to complain about
all the radio gear he had in the back of it. :)

I've done a few things in my day too - like shut feeding a bridge on
160 and actually making a contact with it. :)

Not wishing to speak too soon, but I'm really surprised Larry hasn't
barged in here.....

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On Aug 19, 8:15 pm, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk wrote:

Ahh...the secret of my success with women..

$100?

Ahh...you live in a low cost of living area. :)

that much?

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On Aug 19, 8:32 pm, hk wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk wrote:

The only possibility I can think of is that the woman was extremely
nearsighted, and couldn't quite focus on me. :)

Was probably that Old Spice.

--Vic

Ahhhh! Maybe I should order another liter, er, gallon!

harry, dump a bottle in your fuel tank. I would think it would make a
great injector cleaner/octane booster

?;^ Q

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:10:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 19, 7:55 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:04:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:19 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
om...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
similar power level solid state monoblock.

I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth",
just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England. :-)

Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.

Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :)

I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening
after
dark.

Now that's a sight. :)

Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass
tubes
in
the rx and tx would glow for sure.

Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four
811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel.

Got it, tnx.....memory fart.

The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the
S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes.

Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :)

I used to have a KW-1. There was a real brute. While I was in the USMC on
Okinawa in '59 I used to transmit hour after hour of RTTY messages back
home
at full legal power plus a little for good measure.

I used to work MARS all the time when I was in SEA - loved the ability
to REALLY crank it up. :)

QRP? HA!!!

Anyhoo...

My Dad was a rather conservative soul, but when it came to radios, he
and his life long friend Fred used to "experiment" with antennas and
such.

Probably the classic Ed and Fred device was a 75 meter base loaded
antenna on his '54 Ford Crown Victoria powered by a homebrew
California kilowatt amp excited by his KWM-2. They jury rigged a
second generator and battery system to power the whole thing.

Occasionally, when the weather was right, you could produce a corona
ball off the tip of the antenna which was a sight in and of it'self
never mind the base loaded antenna. To keep it upright, they used
huge electrical service insulators and manilla rope tied off to the
door posts. :)

Then there...well, we'll tell that one another time. :)

I've seen some really wild mobile contraptions in my day. Your Dad's sounds
like a real prize.

Heh - Fred had a '58 Chevy wagon and his wife used to complain about
all the radio gear he had in the back of it. :)

I've done a few things in my day too - like shut feeding a bridge on
160 and actually making a contact with it. :)

Not wishing to speak too soon, but I'm really surprised Larry hasn't
barged in here.....

I think Larry remembered something and decided to take a powder for a
while.

And it was shunt feeding a bridge - I need a new keyboard. :)

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:42:06 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:50:49 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


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Yes, and solid state pre amps and power amps are cleaner than tube
amps, as well. Clean and accurate reproduction is not necessarily the
objective with tube amplifiers for musical instrument amplification.

How the power is delivered to tubes can measurably affect things such
as rise time and decay. I'm not promising that you can actually hear
the difference, but purists will swear they can even if it is a
physiological impossibility.


If you think about it though, the "power" is really being delivered by
one
or more big filter capacitors. I never asked one if it cared how the
power
got there. At that point, DC is DC.

Eisboch


You would think so, wouldn't you! Bear in mind that a vacuum tube is a
mechanical structure and not all of the power is part of the signal
path. You have to account for uneven heat, vibration and other
anomalies that all go into what come out. The vagaries of a wimpy,
tube rectified power supply, with hand rolled paper caps should not be
underestimated.

Purists will also insist that point to point wiring sounds different
than circuit board construction. They may be right about that in some
cases. Sounds crazy, though...


I'll buy into the point to point wiring. An important critera used in
high
quality tube amps was to design the chassis so the signal wiring was as
far
away as possible from the power wiring. And, if you noted any funny
noises
or distortion, you could always re-route the wires.

As for the power supply, I am still not convinced a tube rectifier is
going
to sound (or display on an O'scope) any different than solid state, if
measured at the filter stage or any B+ test point. The audio amplifiers
certainly are different between solid state and tubes and that is readily
noticeable, even by people with tin ears.
But 300 volts DC?

Well, good points every one.

However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
similar power level solid state monoblock.

And I know others who can.

So there must be something to it.

Maybe it's all in our heads.

Mine's certainly empty enough. :)


Solid state did great things in the 1940's. Magnetic Amps controlled the
16" guns on the battleships. But Russia used microtubes / micro-valves for
the English, in their ICBMs and other rockets.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:09:18 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I am questioning if anyone can really discern a difference in an amp with
tube audio amplifiers that has a solid state, full wave bridge rectifier
versus the same tube type amp that also has a tube rectifier section. In
both cases, the rectifier, tube or solid state, is simply producing the
plate and grid voltages needed for the audio (signal) tube amps.
I just don't think that the resultant, filtered high voltage, regardless
of
source, makes any difference in sound or coloration

I agree and you are correct.

It's been one of those days - I'm totally out of synch with life, the
universe and everything. Additionally, a certain person of my
acquaintance (not to mention any names, but first initial Mrs. last
initial Wave) cheerfully informed me that retirement is still a ways
off because she has some things she wants to accomplish at a national
level with her professional association.

I can't freakin' win for losing today. :)

And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers.

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On Aug 19, 11:39 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:ukbma459lsj2ktuobsbm1st9sp73piuh2c@4ax .com...



On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:09:18 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I am questioning if anyone can really discern a difference in an amp with
tube audio amplifiers that has a solid state, full wave bridge rectifier
versus the same tube type amp that also has a tube rectifier section. In
both cases, the rectifier, tube or solid state, is simply producing the
plate and grid voltages needed for the audio (signal) tube amps.
I just don't think that the resultant, filtered high voltage, regardless
of
source, makes any difference in sound or coloration

I agree and you are correct.

It's been one of those days - I'm totally out of synch with life, the
universe and everything. Additionally, a certain person of my
acquaintance (not to mention any names, but first initial Mrs. last
initial Wave) cheerfully informed me that retirement is still a ways
off because she has some things she wants to accomplish at a national
level with her professional association.

I can't freakin' win for losing today. :)

And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers.

I have an old Vox bass amp that I made the mistake of leaving sit in a
hotern' hot attic for a summer. It weakened the crystals!

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


I think Larry remembered something and decided to take a powder for a
while.



I seriously believe he didn't know. He shot his mouth off, as usual,
speaking in general with another bizzare theory.

I don't think he meant it personally.


Eisboch