Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

CNN is running several features today on hydrogen fuel cell cars, and
several times I've heard about a "large tank of hydrogen under the chassis."

One was a Mercedes. So, in the future will we have the new Mercedes
hydrogen powered Hindenburg car, from the wonderful German folk who made
dirigibles famous?

:)




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On Aug 13, 12:28*pm, hk wrote:
CNN is running several features today on hydrogen fuel cell cars, and
several times I've heard about a "large tank of hydrogen under the chassis."

One was a Mercedes. So, in the future will we have the new Mercedes
hydrogen powered Hindenburg car, from the wonderful German folk who made
dirigibles famous?

Damn you're stupid.

Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

On Aug 13, 12:47*pm, wrote:
On Aug 13, 12:28*pm, hk wrote: CNN is running several features today on hydrogen fuel cell cars, and
several times I've heard about a "large tank of hydrogen under the chassis."

One was a Mercedes. So, in the future will we have the new Mercedes
hydrogen powered Hindenburg car, from the wonderful German folk who made
dirigibles famous?

Damn you're stupid.

You know Loogy, I just got caught up on posts to this NG today and all
yours are attacks on either Harry or me. Why are you such an angry
little guy?

Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

JimH wrote:
On Aug 13, 12:47 pm, wrote:
On Aug 13, 12:28 pm, hk wrote: CNN is running several features today on hydrogen fuel cell cars, and
several times I've heard about a "large tank of hydrogen under the chassis."
One was a Mercedes. So, in the future will we have the new Mercedes
hydrogen powered Hindenburg car, from the wonderful German folk who made
dirigibles famous?
Damn you're stupid.

You know Loogy, I just got caught up on posts to this NG today and all
yours are attacks on either Harry or me. Why are you such an angry
little guy?


If you remember the years "loogy" has been posting here under various
identities, he has always been the dumb little attack dog. For much of
that time, most of those attacks were aimed at the righties here. I sort
of left him alone during those periods because I figured no one paid
much attention to him. Last year, I believe, he really started going
over the deep end, and I joined in with those who asked him to lighten
up, so, naturally, he started coming after me.

Lately he had become the boytoy of the Seven Little Schitts, who
encouraged him because he was the constant attack dog for them. But I
guess that is waning now, too, though "JustWait" and "Herring" take him
out for some of their spin on occasion.

Loogy has all the natural intelligence of Forrest Gump, but none of the
charm or integrity. When you get right down to it, he's just a dumb
little schitt who wears his buttons on his forehead. Just press one and
watch him explode!




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On Aug 13, 12:53*pm, JimH wrote:
On Aug 13, 12:47*pm, wrote:

On Aug 13, 12:28*pm, hk wrote: CNN is running several features today on hydrogen fuel cell cars, and
several times I've heard about a "large tank of hydrogen under the chassis."

One was a Mercedes. So, in the future will we have the new Mercedes
hydrogen powered Hindenburg car, from the wonderful German folk who made
dirigibles famous?

Damn you're stupid.

You know Loogy, I just got caught up on posts to this NG today and all
yours are attacks on either Harry or me. *Why are you such an angry
little guy?

First, I'm not little, second I'm not angry.
You and Harry are here for one reason, to annoy people.
Have you noticed that every single post that you and Harry makes that
concerns me is nasty, mean spirited, trivial bull****? Have you
noticed that every time Harry posts it's either political bull**** or
attacking someone?
Have you noticed that every single post of yours here is nothing but
attacks on other people?
And you wonder why.....idiot.

Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

On Aug 13, 12:59*pm, hk wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 13, 12:47 pm, wrote:
On Aug 13, 12:28 pm, hk wrote: CNN is running several features today on hydrogen fuel cell cars, and
several times I've heard about a "large tank of hydrogen under the chassis."
One was a Mercedes. So, in the future will we have the new Mercedes
hydrogen powered Hindenburg car, from the wonderful German folk who made
dirigibles famous?
Damn you're stupid.

You know Loogy, I just got caught up on posts to this NG today and all
yours are attacks on either Harry or me. *Why are you such an angry
little guy?

If you remember the years "loogy" has been posting here under various
identities, he has always been the dumb little attack dog. For much of
that time, most of those attacks were aimed at the righties here. I sort
of left him alone during those periods because I figured no one paid
much attention to him. Last year, I believe, he really started going
over the deep end, and I joined in with those who asked him to lighten
up, so, naturally, he started coming after me.

Lately he had become the boytoy of the Seven Little Schitts, who
encouraged him because he was the constant attack dog for them. But I
guess that is waning now, too, though "JustWait" and "Herring" take him
out for some of their spin on occasion.

Loogy has all the natural intelligence of Forrest Gump, but none of the
charm or integrity. When you get right down to it, he's just a dumb
little schitt who wears his buttons on his forehead. Just press one and
watch him explode!

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See JimH, I rest my case.......

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"Hydrogen Powered Cars?"


I'm all for it! Especially with todays technology it can be done
safely.

A far cry from the hindenberg blimps from 80-90 yr's ago.

I'm not sure but I think the Swedes have a full hydro car in
production now....

Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:28:36 -0400, hk wrote:

several times I've heard about a "large tank of hydrogen under the chassis."

First place, the chassis is a thing of the past. Today there is just a
welded together steel box. There isn't room for any large tanks. Maybe
a bunch of small ones.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:28:36 -0400, hk wrote:

several times I've heard about a "large tank of hydrogen under the chassis."

First place, the chassis is a thing of the past. Today there is just a
welded together steel box. There isn't room for any large tanks. Maybe
a bunch of small ones.

Casady

My car and many pickup trucks have a chassis, though you are essentially
correct. Too bad...frames are a good thing.

What's the differentiation between a large and a small tank of hydrogen
in this instance?

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On Aug 13, 12:27*pm, Tim wrote:
"Hydrogen Powered Cars?"

I'm all for it! *Especially with todays technology it can be done
safely.

A far cry from the hindenberg blimps from 80-90 yr's ago.

I'm not sure but I think the Swedes have a full hydro car in
production now....

One problem with the hydro-cells, isn't the safty factor, but the
refueling infrastructure. It would take a long time to set up proper
refueling venues accross the land so it would ahve to be on a local
basis. "It's good, just dont venture out too far" idea, That is untill
all things can be set properly. Great idea for commuters, though.

I would think that places like Hawaii would be perfect for hydro cars,
seeing you're on an island and don't have anywhere to go.

But I could really dig Hydro powered boats especially on a lake. a
marina could handle it.

Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:17:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Aug 13, 12:27*pm, Tim wrote:
"Hydrogen Powered Cars?"

I'm all for it! *Especially with todays technology it can be done
safely.

A far cry from the hindenberg blimps from 80-90 yr's ago.

I'm not sure but I think the Swedes have a full hydro car in
production now....

One problem with the hydro-cells, isn't the safty factor, but the
refueling infrastructure. It would take a long time to set up proper
refueling venues accross the land so it would ahve to be on a local
basis. "It's good, just dont venture out too far" idea, That is untill
all things can be set properly. Great idea for commuters, though.

I would think that places like Hawaii would be perfect for hydro cars,
seeing you're on an island and don't have anywhere to go.

But I could really dig Hydro powered boats especially on a lake. a
marina could handle it.


There are a couple places that sell a little gizmo that will convert water
to fuel and double your gas mileage. Sounds pretty good to me. Shoot, for
only one bottle of Old Spice, I'll tell you the URL.

Oh, hell, your credit is good, here it is:

http://carsrunningonwater.com.cn/

Let me know how well it works. It appears that the site is in Canada, so it
must be on the up and up!
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:29:04 +0000, John H. wrote:


http://carsrunningonwater.com.cn/

Let me know how well it works. It appears that the site is in Canada, so
it must be on the up and up!

cn is China. Still think it's on the up and up?

Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:36:42 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:29:04 +0000, John H. wrote:


http://carsrunningonwater.com.cn/

Let me know how well it works. It appears that the site is in Canada, so
it must be on the up and up!

cn is China. Still think it's on the up and up?

Oh.

Hell yes! That's the country that has the Olympics, right? It's the country
the liberals think wants to be our 'friend', right. The country with no
designs on the USA or any other parts of the world?

Sleep tight. Obama is.
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Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

hk wrote in
:

One was a Mercedes. So, in the future will we have the new Mercedes
hydrogen powered Hindenburg car, from the wonderful German folk who made
dirigibles famous?

:)



After the Hindenburg, you'd think Germans would have learned a lesson....

If the tank ruptures on one of my used vegoil Mercedes diesels, the big
problem will be the FLIES!...(c;

Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:04:52 -0400, hk wrote:

My car and many pickup trucks have a chassis, though you are essentially
correct. Too bad...frames are a good thing.

I have a truck and a Lincoln Navigator and both have frames, but we
were discussing cars, I thought. There are no more cars with separate
frames that I know of.

What's the differentiation between a large and a small tank of hydrogen
in this instance?

I would call the usual size the welders use too large. The idea is to
avoid intruding into the passenger volumn too much and still have
reasonable ground clearance and center of gravity. It isn't actually a
show stopper, although enough range might be hard to get. High
pressure cylinders are very heavy for what they hold, and small
diameters are favored from a strength standpoint, while the big ones
that won't fit are possibly more efficient from a weight standpoint.

If you have a lot of hydrogen, the thing to do is use it to
hydrogenate Canadian tar sands so that you can get a reasonable yield
of gasoline or other light products. If you break a ring there are
vacant sites for a hydrogen and I would guess the stuff contains a lot
of rings. Canada has lots of the stuff and they are developing it as
fast as they can.

You can also use it to make hydrocarbon fuels from coal. The US has
enormous ammounts of coal.

Casady

Hydrogen Powered Cars?
 

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:49:11 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:28:36 -0400, hk wrote:



CNN is running several features today on hydrogen fuel cell cars, and
several times I've heard about a "large tank of hydrogen under the chassis."

One was a Mercedes. So, in the future will we have the new Mercedes
hydrogen powered Hindenburg car, from the wonderful German folk who made
dirigibles famous?

:)

Until someone figures out how to make hydrogen in any efficient manner
this is just a science fair project.

Electrolysis is quite efficient, although the electric power plant
that serves the hydrogen factory is not. The actual efficiency
is about the same as charging a battery, some 90+%.

If you are hydrolysing water you would be better off just using the
electricity directly. Hydrogen is just a battery, storing electrical
energy and not very efficiently.

Maybe. What do fuel cells weigh. Lead batteries are very heavy
and you use substantial ammounts of energy carrying them around.
I suspect that fuel cells would also be heavy but I don't have any
figures.


These hydrogen generators in your car scams assumes there is so much
wasted capacity in your engine/alternator that you can recycle some as
hydrogeny.

Using shaft work from a hydrogen fueled engine to make hydrogen is
ridiculous. If that would work, the thing would manufacture fuel from
nowhere. Perpetual motion machines are known to be impossible.

Casady