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Making Room for Cheney?
Coincidence? Guantanamo term ends as Bush's does Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:15am EDT By Jane Sutton GUANTANAMO BAY U.S. NAVAL BASE, Cuba (Reuters) - It was no coincidence the U.S. military jurors at Guantanamo timed the prison sentence they gave Osama bin Laden's driver to end just before President George W. Bush's term does, legal analysts say. The timing seems intended to give the next U.S. president who takes office on January 20 a chance to override the Bush administration's announcement that it will continue to hold convicted Yemeni captive Salim Hamdan as an "enemy combatant" in the war against terrorism after he finishes his sentence. "My inference is that they concluded that this administration would not release Hamdan at the end of his sentence, but the next one might," said David Glazier, a national security expert who teaches at Loyola Law School. "I think Hamdan's continued detention past the end of his sentence, although justifiable under the law of war, would be a political train wreck, and I think the panel made an effort to protect the U.S. from further international criticism." Both major U.S. presidential candidates have said they would close the detention camp at the U.S. naval base in Cuba. The six-member jury of military officers convicted Hamdan on Wednesday of providing material support for terrorism by driving and guarding bin Laden in Afghanistan. They rejected charges that he was part of a broad al Qaeda conspiracy to murder American civilians, one of the "worst of the worst." The verdict in the first U.S. war crimes tribunal since World War Two endorsed military defense lawyers' position that Hamdan was a bit player who made the terrible decision to keep working for bin Laden because he needed the $200 monthly salary to support his family. MILITARY PUSHING BACK When jurors began deliberating his sentence, the only question they asked the judge was how much credit Hamdan would get for the time he has been held at Guantanamo. The judge said he would get a little over 61 months' credit, and the jurors sentenced Hamdan to a 66-month term that runs out at the end of December. The jurors did not publicly explain their reasons but given the nuance of their verdict, it seems unlikely that timing was a coincidence. "For seven years, uniformed military officers have pushed back against the administration's most extreme and unlawful detention and interrogation policies, only to be overruled by White House lawyers with little respect for the Constitution or Geneva Conventions," said Ben Wizner, a lawyer who monitored the trial for the American Civil Liberties Union. "We may never know what the commission members were thinking, but we saw what they did: they ensured that Mr. Hamdan's fate will be determined by a future administration with more respect for the rule of law." Only one other prisoner has been convicted at Guantanamo, Australian David Hicks. He avoided trial by pleading guilty to providing material support for terrorism -- the same charge Hamdan was convicted of. Hicks plea-bargained for a nine-month sentence and was allowed to leave Guantanamo before it ended, finishing it out in Australia. "Holding Hamdan past the end of his (term) is only going to further inflame anti-American feelings in the Muslim world where the U.S. will clearly be perceived as continuing to discriminate on the basis of nationality or religion," said Glazier, a former U.S. Navy officer. U.S. citizens are exempt from imprisonment and trial at Guantanamo. All the captives from Western nations were released long ago except for Canadian Omar Khadr, who faces trial in October on charges of killing a U.S. soldier with a grenade. -- "The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right." |
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Afternoon scores ...
On a roll today, huh Harry? And it's only 2:30pm.
OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? ..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch |
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Afternoon scores ...
On Aug 10, 2:34*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
On a roll today, huh Harry? *And it's only 2:30pm. OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? *..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch One week left till Independence day. Don't know if you were reading but Gene has been working on a new news server that will take all the BS out of wrecked.boats. Those of us who can straighten up and fly right will love it, those of us who can't will be deemed irrelevant and be finally silenced... Hang in there man, after nearly 10 years of hate, lies, and fighting back, we are almost free...  |
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Afternoon scores ...
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:36:45 GMT, John H.
wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:21:54 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:52:41 -0400, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Aug 10, 2:34*pm, "Eisboch" wrote: On a roll today, huh Harry? *And it's only 2:30pm. OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? *..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch One week left till Independence day. Don't know if you were reading but Gene has been working on a new news server that will take all the BS out of wrecked.boats. Those of us who can straighten up and fly right will love it, those of us who can't will be deemed irrelevant and be finally silenced... Hang in there man, after nearly 10 years of hate, lies, and fighting back, we are almost free... There is your folly, and Gene's as well. You won't silence anything. You are not altering usenet for anyone else. We'll all be here saying nasty **** about you, and responding to your posts as always, for the rest of the world to read. The only difference is that you won't be here to defend yourself. Gene apparently subscribes to the notion that it's easier to carpet the world, than to simply wear slippers. I am fitting slippers to my own feet and inviting others to walk in them, as well, if they so choose. I'm not willing to stay in the sandbox for fear of others "saying nasty **** about [me]" (as if I would care, anyway) and I can't imagine why I would want to "defend" myself against "the sandbox gang." Do you *really* think anybody, but those intent on "defending themselves," cares about the childish "defenses?" Amen. Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammo!!! Or is that Pass the Lord and Praise the Ammo? I can never get that right. :) |
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Afternoon scores ...
On Aug 10, 5:21*pm, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:52:41 -0400, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Aug 10, 2:34*pm, "Eisboch" wrote: On a roll today, huh Harry? *And it's only 2:30pm. OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? *..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch One week left till Independence day. Don't know if you were reading but Gene has been working on a new news server that will take all the BS out of wrecked.boats. Those of us who can straighten up and fly right will love it, those of us who can't will be deemed irrelevant and be finally silenced... Hang in there man, after nearly 10 years of hate, lies, and fighting back, we are almost free... There is your folly, and Gene's as well. You won't silence anything. You are not altering usenet for anyone else. We'll all be here saying nasty **** about you, and responding to your posts as always, for the rest of the world to read. The only difference is that you won't be here to defend yourself. Gene apparently subscribes to the notion that it's easier to carpet the world, than to simply wear slippers. I am fitting slippers to my own feet and inviting others to walk in them, as well, if they so choose. I'm not willing to stay in the sandbox for fear of others "saying nasty **** about [me]" (as if I would care, anyway) and I can't imagine why I would want to "defend" myself against "the sandbox gang." Do you *really* think anybody, but those intent on "defending themselves," cares about the childish "defenses?" -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080809-0, 08/09/2008 Tested on: 8/10/2008 5:21:55 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software.http://www.avast.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well said... |
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Afternoon scores ...
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:58:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: On Aug 10, 5:21*pm, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:52:41 -0400, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Aug 10, 2:34*pm, "Eisboch" wrote: On a roll today, huh Harry? *And it's only 2:30pm. OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? *..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch One week left till Independence day. Don't know if you were reading but Gene has been working on a new news server that will take all the BS out of wrecked.boats. Those of us who can straighten up and fly right will love it, those of us who can't will be deemed irrelevant and be finally silenced... Hang in there man, after nearly 10 years of hate, lies, and fighting back, we are almost free... There is your folly, and Gene's as well. You won't silence anything. You are not altering usenet for anyone else. We'll all be here saying nasty **** about you, and responding to your posts as always, for the rest of the world to read. The only difference is that you won't be here to defend yourself. Gene apparently subscribes to the notion that it's easier to carpet the world, than to simply wear slippers. I am fitting slippers to my own feet and inviting others to walk in them, as well, if they so choose. I'm not willing to stay in the sandbox for fear of others "saying nasty **** about [me]" (as if I would care, anyway) and I can't imagine why I would want to "defend" myself against "the sandbox gang." Do you *really* think anybody, but those intent on "defending themselves," cares about the childish "defenses?" -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080809-0, 08/09/2008 Tested on: 8/10/2008 5:21:55 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software.http://www.avast.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well said... Now THAT is hil-****ing-larious! |
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Afternoon scores ...
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:21:54 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:52:41 -0400, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Aug 10, 2:34*pm, "Eisboch" wrote: On a roll today, huh Harry? *And it's only 2:30pm. OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? *..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch One week left till Independence day. Don't know if you were reading but Gene has been working on a new news server that will take all the BS out of wrecked.boats. Those of us who can straighten up and fly right will love it, those of us who can't will be deemed irrelevant and be finally silenced... Hang in there man, after nearly 10 years of hate, lies, and fighting back, we are almost free... There is your folly, and Gene's as well. You won't silence anything. You are not altering usenet for anyone else. We'll all be here saying nasty **** about you, and responding to your posts as always, for the rest of the world to read. The only difference is that you won't be here to defend yourself. Gene apparently subscribes to the notion that it's easier to carpet the world, than to simply wear slippers. I am fitting slippers to my own feet and inviting others to walk in them, as well, if they so choose. I'm not willing to stay in the sandbox for fear of others "saying nasty **** about [me]" (as if I would care, anyway) and I can't imagine why I would want to "defend" myself against "the sandbox gang." Do you *really* think anybody, but those intent on "defending themselves," cares about the childish "defenses?" That's why it isn't going to help Scotty-potty. He can't stand it when people post about him. He HAS to respond. That's why he's such a fun target for his tormentors. His problem is a lack of will power. He's a weak person. Your private news server is just plain idiotic. Anyone who wants the sort of filtering you are going to do can do the exact same thing via a proxy on thier own PC - FOR FREE. That even has the advantage of leaving the user in control, rather than turning it over to someone else.They can fine tune it any way THEY prefer. You are going to a lot of extra trouble to do something that is very simple for individuals to do better for themselves. Only a nitwit, and technical numbskull, such as Scott needs someone to do it for him. |
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