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Coincidence? Guantanamo term ends as Bush's does Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:15am EDT By Jane Sutton GUANTANAMO BAY U.S. NAVAL BASE, Cuba (Reuters) - It was no coincidence the U.S. military jurors at Guantanamo timed the prison sentence they gave Osama bin Laden's driver to end just before President George W. Bush's term does, legal analysts say. The timing seems intended to give the next U.S. president who takes office on January 20 a chance to override the Bush administration's announcement that it will continue to hold convicted Yemeni captive Salim Hamdan as an "enemy combatant" in the war against terrorism after he finishes his sentence. "My inference is that they concluded that this administration would not release Hamdan at the end of his sentence, but the next one might," said David Glazier, a national security expert who teaches at Loyola Law School. "I think Hamdan's continued detention past the end of his sentence, although justifiable under the law of war, would be a political train wreck, and I think the panel made an effort to protect the U.S. from further international criticism." Both major U.S. presidential candidates have said they would close the detention camp at the U.S. naval base in Cuba. The six-member jury of military officers convicted Hamdan on Wednesday of providing material support for terrorism by driving and guarding bin Laden in Afghanistan. They rejected charges that he was part of a broad al Qaeda conspiracy to murder American civilians, one of the "worst of the worst." The verdict in the first U.S. war crimes tribunal since World War Two endorsed military defense lawyers' position that Hamdan was a bit player who made the terrible decision to keep working for bin Laden because he needed the $200 monthly salary to support his family. MILITARY PUSHING BACK When jurors began deliberating his sentence, the only question they asked the judge was how much credit Hamdan would get for the time he has been held at Guantanamo. The judge said he would get a little over 61 months' credit, and the jurors sentenced Hamdan to a 66-month term that runs out at the end of December. The jurors did not publicly explain their reasons but given the nuance of their verdict, it seems unlikely that timing was a coincidence. "For seven years, uniformed military officers have pushed back against the administration's most extreme and unlawful detention and interrogation policies, only to be overruled by White House lawyers with little respect for the Constitution or Geneva Conventions," said Ben Wizner, a lawyer who monitored the trial for the American Civil Liberties Union. "We may never know what the commission members were thinking, but we saw what they did: they ensured that Mr. Hamdan's fate will be determined by a future administration with more respect for the rule of law." Only one other prisoner has been convicted at Guantanamo, Australian David Hicks. He avoided trial by pleading guilty to providing material support for terrorism -- the same charge Hamdan was convicted of. Hicks plea-bargained for a nine-month sentence and was allowed to leave Guantanamo before it ended, finishing it out in Australia. "Holding Hamdan past the end of his (term) is only going to further inflame anti-American feelings in the Muslim world where the U.S. will clearly be perceived as continuing to discriminate on the basis of nationality or religion," said Glazier, a former U.S. Navy officer. U.S. citizens are exempt from imprisonment and trial at Guantanamo. All the captives from Western nations were released long ago except for Canadian Omar Khadr, who faces trial in October on charges of killing a U.S. soldier with a grenade. -- "The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right." |
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On a roll today, huh Harry? And it's only 2:30pm.
OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? ..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch |
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On Aug 10, 2:34*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
On a roll today, huh Harry? *And it's only 2:30pm. OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? *..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch One week left till Independence day. Don't know if you were reading but Gene has been working on a new news server that will take all the BS out of wrecked.boats. Those of us who can straighten up and fly right will love it, those of us who can't will be deemed irrelevant and be finally silenced... Hang in there man, after nearly 10 years of hate, lies, and fighting back, we are almost free...;) |
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:34:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
On a roll today, huh Harry? And it's only 2:30pm. OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? ..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch Now Rich, you've played a big part in keeping Harry occupied here in rec.boats, even though many of us were trying to squelch his crap. But, your point is made, although it's been made several times. As Harry's goal is the demise of this group, he doesn't give a rat's ass about your points. |
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Eisboch wrote:
On a roll today, huh Harry? And it's only 2:30pm. OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? ..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch There aren't any boating posts of interest here anymore...so...these just go along with the guitar, golf, grandkids, travel trailers, child abuse and other crap. -- "The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right." |
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:42:37 -0400, hk wrote:
There aren't any boating posts of interest here anymore...so...these just go along with the guitar, golf, grandkids, travel trailers, child abuse and other crap. I've come around to the point of view that the only boating posts you care about are the ones about you and your boat(s), both real and imaginary. I think you'd be happier somewhere else. |
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:36:45 GMT, John H.
wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:21:54 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:52:41 -0400, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Aug 10, 2:34*pm, "Eisboch" wrote: On a roll today, huh Harry? *And it's only 2:30pm. OT political threats started so far this afternoon by HK. HK .... the guy who is here only to observe and bitterly complains about others posting OT. McCain Falls Flat with Vets Group ..... Wall Street Journal sez: .... A man of honor? *..... Tom's Boy McCain...Nothing but B.S. .... The Real McCain - 2 ..... How About Some McCain Waffles for Breakfast? .... How about a senior moment with John McCain? .... Making Room for Cheney? .... Eisboch One week left till Independence day. Don't know if you were reading but Gene has been working on a new news server that will take all the BS out of wrecked.boats. Those of us who can straighten up and fly right will love it, those of us who can't will be deemed irrelevant and be finally silenced... Hang in there man, after nearly 10 years of hate, lies, and fighting back, we are almost free...;) There is your folly, and Gene's as well. You won't silence anything. You are not altering usenet for anyone else. We'll all be here saying nasty **** about you, and responding to your posts as always, for the rest of the world to read. The only difference is that you won't be here to defend yourself. Gene apparently subscribes to the notion that it's easier to carpet the world, than to simply wear slippers. I am fitting slippers to my own feet and inviting others to walk in them, as well, if they so choose. I'm not willing to stay in the sandbox for fear of others "saying nasty **** about [me]" (as if I would care, anyway) and I can't imagine why I would want to "defend" myself against "the sandbox gang." Do you *really* think anybody, but those intent on "defending themselves," cares about the childish "defenses?" Amen. Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammo!!! Or is that Pass the Lord and Praise the Ammo? I can never get that right. :) |
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