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HK August 9th 08 01:23 AM

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:10:58 -0400, hk wrote:

By providing a list of popular opera tunes? Too highbrow for the
pseudomusicians in this newsgroup?


I really believe opera didn't catch on here because of language.
Aside from excellent voices, opera tells a story on the stage.
If you don't understand the words, you don't hear the story.
Of course you can read along with a translation, or learn the
language.
Musicals in English did well here, and wasn't HMS Pinafore an opera?
West Side Story, Seven Brides..... were moneymakers.
Even that said, who here hasn't enjoyed the Three Tenors even when not
understanding the words?

--Vic



Gilbert and Sullivan were the most successful creators of "musicals" in
their day, and their operetta, Pinafore, is one of the best. It's "opera
light" and lots of fun.

Your point on language is well-taken. Many operas written in foreign
languages are produced in English from time to time, but English is just
not as musically colorful in the opera genre as Italian. Italian just
plain sings well. French is a step down from Italian, but still more
musical for the genre than English.

I'm not sure how important "the story" is for most opera, because most
opera stories are way, way over the top and, in fact, kind of silly. I
love opera for the singing and then for the music. Even if you don't
understand the language, you can understand the emotions being sung.

George and Ira Gershwin's Porgy and Bess is probably the "best" American
Opera. West Side Story certainly is opera-esque, but it really is a
Broadway musical. Bernstein's music and Sondheim's lyrics are terrific.




--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC August 9th 08 01:27 AM

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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:27:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:
STOP. I have this bizzare image of you on stage with one of those
pointy Viking hats with the horns on the side, hands clasped before
you,
belting out a "tune".

Eisboch


Wish it were so. These days, I can't carry a tune with a bucket. Back in
junior high, though, before my voice changed from boy soprano to gravel,
I
could sing. A little.

At that first opera, we had seats on the side of the house, probably the
second balcony, and one of the female leads had absolutely spectacular
cleavage. That hooked me. The same weekend, we got to see "West Side
Story" on Broadway.

I think the kids in the choir were charged about $20 for the whole trip,
including trainfare. The school picked up the rest. That was in the days
schools had a little money.

Opera has fascinated me for a long, long time. Virtually every aspect of
it is way, way, way over the top.

BTW, if you want a real treat, listen to Anna Netrebko's "Violetta" CD.
Violetta Valery, the woman who "strayed." Some of the most beautiful
vocal
music ever.
No thanks. Opera does absolutely nothing for me. However, I *can*
understand your early introduction to it.
My intro was the Boston Symphony Orchestra, probably at about the same
age.
The power of the orchestra blew me away and stuck in my head. Even
today,
once in a while, Mrs.E. and I get tickets and journey into Boston just to
hear a beautifully played piece of music.

But .... NOT opera!

Classical music I can buy into - I was introduced to classical music
by one of my mother's step-brothers who was a classical musician with
the Chicago Symphony.

Opera - sorry, I can't buy into that for a variety of reasons.


I agree. When I was in elementary school/Jr. High, those of us that seemed
to have an interest in music were herded onto the school bus occasionally
for a trip to Boston to hear classical music performed by the Boston
Symphony Orchestra ... or an evening event with the Boston Pops.

Nobody ..... and I mean nobody .... was dragged into Boston to listen to an
opera. Even the music teachers weren't that cruel.

Eisboch



I think in Harry's school system, they spelled pompous with a capital P.

While we did many trips to the symphony, in my elementary school days, I
only had to go to the MET once a year to see The Nutcracker. I have
never enjoyed opera, but then again, I am uncouth.

DK August 9th 08 01:27 AM

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Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald P. Smithers III The Great, Esq.
LLC wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 8, 4:45 pm, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald P. Smithers
III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 8, 4:14 pm, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald P. Smithers
III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Sure. There are kazillions of tunes in opera. Even if you
don't listen
to or like opera, you've heard them. At the moment, my
"ringtone" is a
tune from La Traviata, sung by Anna Netrebko.
Don't know Anna? One of her albums outsold one from Beyoncé
when it
came out in 2004 in Europe. Terrific voice, good-looking,
too. Well,
both of them, Anna and Beyoncé!
Here's a list of some popular opera tunes for you:
Lakmé: Flower Duet (Dome épais)
Die Walküre (The Valkyrie): Ride of the Valkyries
La Forza del destino (The Force of Destiny) : Overture
Andre Chénier: La mamma morte
Il Barbiere di Siviglia (The Barber of Seville): Overture
Il Barbiere di Siviglia: Largo al factotum
Lohengrin: Wedding March
La Wally: Ebben? ne andro lontana
Cosi fan tutte: Soave sia il vento
Legend of Tsar Saltan: Flight of the Bumble Bee
La Traviata: Libiamo ne lieti calici (Brindisi)
By providing a list of popular opera tunes? Too highbrow for the
pseudomusicians in this newsgroup?
Sure, Tom...whatever you say. I've been an opera fan since the
7th Grade,
when our choir club teacher took us to a performance of La Boheme
at the
Met. We've been to at least a half dozen major league opera
performances
in the last year.
STOP. I have this bizzare image of you on stage with one of
those pointy
Viking hats with the horns on the side, hands clasped before you,
belting
out a "tune".
Eisboch
I know I must have grown up on the wrong side of town. We didn't
have a
"choir club" in the 7th grade.
Did you play the banjo back then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydGhd1Da6fo
I think so. ;-)
Nope, but while that is some really nice plucking, I can play the song
as well as the kid did in the movie. The boy was playing the banjo using
a "claw-hammer" style, and in reality the song dueling banjos is played
on a different style banjo using finger picks.

In other words, that boy is really not playing the guitar. Now you know
the rest of the story. ;)


Did you know that elementary and middle school choirs are/were not
uncommon in most school districts?

I sang in school choir from 4th through 8th grade.


I am sure you did.


That speaks volumes.

Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC August 9th 08 01:30 AM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:02:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I've also witnessed highly educated, egotistical blowhards that, when laid
off, can't grasp the concept of how they possibly could not be needed. Most
of the time the company was better off without them.


I have witnessed in this NG educated, egotistical blowhards, that can't
grasp the concept of how they possibly could not be needed.

[email protected] August 9th 08 02:40 AM

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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:08:43 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Ballet?

Ballet???????

Sorry. You just tip toed over the line.

No thanks.

Eisboch


While I'd rather have a root canal than go to an Opera, I have allowed
myself to be dragged to a ballet. A hint, don't look at it as dance,
look at it as sport. A quality ballet company is filled with tremendous
athletes. From that stand point, I can tolerate a ballet every 5-10
years.

Larry August 9th 08 05:51 AM

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"Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald P. Smithers III The Great, Esq.
LLC" wrote in
:

grin, he is cute when he wants to be. Can you imagine being at the
marina dock when his cell phone rings?



On A-dock where all those deep sea fishermen are drinking on the back decks
of the big fishing boats....(c;


Larry August 9th 08 05:54 AM

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wrote in news:d0ff4bf4-aca3-4cd8-ac0e-
:

I changed my ring tone to a normal ringer like we had in the 60's to
the 80's.. The first time my kids heard it they said, "That's a cool
ring, where did you get it" ugh;)


My last one before the Star Trek Bosun's pipe was an antique English double
ringer telephone bells. When that rang, everyone from England over 50
would turn around and look at me...(c;


Calif Bill August 9th 08 07:35 AM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:27:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
om...

Eisboch wrote:

STOP. I have this bizzare image of you on stage with one of those
pointy Viking hats with the horns on the side, hands clasped before
you,
belting out a "tune".

Eisboch




Wish it were so. These days, I can't carry a tune with a bucket. Back
in
junior high, though, before my voice changed from boy soprano to
gravel, I
could sing. A little.

At that first opera, we had seats on the side of the house, probably
the
second balcony, and one of the female leads had absolutely spectacular
cleavage. That hooked me. The same weekend, we got to see "West Side
Story" on Broadway.

I think the kids in the choir were charged about $20 for the whole
trip,
including trainfare. The school picked up the rest. That was in the
days
schools had a little money.

Opera has fascinated me for a long, long time. Virtually every aspect
of
it is way, way, way over the top.

BTW, if you want a real treat, listen to Anna Netrebko's "Violetta" CD.
Violetta Valery, the woman who "strayed." Some of the most beautiful
vocal
music ever.

No thanks. Opera does absolutely nothing for me. However, I *can*
understand your early introduction to it.
My intro was the Boston Symphony Orchestra, probably at about the same
age.
The power of the orchestra blew me away and stuck in my head. Even
today,
once in a while, Mrs.E. and I get tickets and journey into Boston just to
hear a beautifully played piece of music.

But .... NOT opera!


Classical music I can buy into - I was introduced to classical music
by one of my mother's step-brothers who was a classical musician with
the Chicago Symphony.

Opera - sorry, I can't buy into that for a variety of reasons.


I agree. When I was in elementary school/Jr. High, those of us that
seemed to have an interest in music were herded onto the school bus
occasionally for a trip to Boston to hear classical music performed by the
Boston Symphony Orchestra ... or an evening event with the Boston Pops.

Nobody ..... and I mean nobody .... was dragged into Boston to listen to
an opera. Even the music teachers weren't that cruel.

Eisboch


Being the father of a musical daughter, I have listened to all the genres of
music. Some opera is good, if you do not have to watch it. As to Ballet,
is amazing the athleticsm of the dancers. Daughter was also into ballet, or
I had to watch a lot. Still not my favorite entertainment.



Eisboch August 9th 08 09:58 AM

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...


Being the father of a musical daughter, I have listened to all the genres
of music. Some opera is good, if you do not have to watch it. As to
Ballet, is amazing the athleticsm of the dancers. Daughter was also into
ballet, or I had to watch a lot. Still not my favorite entertainment.


As for musicals like "West Side Story", some of them are good, but IMO they
aren't Operas. They are Musicals.

We often went to the local Music Circus to see performances such as "Man of
La Mancha", "Paint Your Wagon", and "Bye Bye Birdie".

I don't consider them Opera.

Thinking about it though, I have often listened to opera singers .... female
and male .... performing individually. Some of that is very good. I guess
what doesn't excite me is sitting through 2 hours of story telling through
song.

Eisboch




[email protected] August 9th 08 12:43 PM

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:31:38 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 8, 5:08*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...


wrote:
Ha, ha, ha..... what a bunch of ****....perv.. * * * I have to know if
there is one person here reading these fantasies, who thinks wafa is
"not" full of ****.. Go ahead, post up guys, who is falling for this
crap...?? * Anyone? Anyone at all??? * I won't hold my breath...;)


Stop projecting. I'm not the uneducated failure. You are.


Seems to me that some people, particularly professional academics, place a
misguided emphasis on the value of a formal "education", as if anyone
without one is a second class citizen.


In my working experience, I found just the opposite to be true. *Some of the
smartest, most talented people I knew graduated from "oh-hum" colleges or
universities .... if they attended or graduated at all. * Their professional
accomplishments were due and motivated by a sincere desire to succeed, hard
work and dedication, rather than an expectation of success due to their
superior "education".


I've also witnessed highly educated, egotistical blowhards that, when laid
off, can't grasp the concept of how they possibly could not be needed. *Most
of the time the company was better off without them.


Eisboch


Your mistake was in assuming I was referring to formal education.
You didn't ask...you assumed.

Abraham Lincoln, after all, had very little formal education, and no one
would refer to him as uneducated. My Russian grandfather had no formal
education, yet he could speak, read and write six different languages
fluently.

My comment about JustWait was based upon the absolutely idiotic nonsense
he posts here, the stuff that reads as if it were first spit up by Rush
Limbaugh, and then heated up and served up again by Fox News.

--


Well, of course you are lying again. I would rather be known as an
illeterate man, than a dishonorable man, any day.


How fortunate for you that you get to be both!


John H.[_5_] August 9th 08 01:58 PM

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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:58:12 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:
STOP. I have this bizzare image of you on stage with one of those
pointy Viking hats with the horns on the side, hands clasped before
you, belting out a "tune".

Eisboch



Wish it were so. These days, I can't carry a tune with a bucket. Back
in junior high, though, before my voice changed from boy soprano to
gravel, I could sing. A little.

At that first opera, we had seats on the side of the house, probably
the second balcony, and one of the female leads had absolutely
spectacular cleavage. That hooked me. The same weekend, we got to see
"West Side Story" on Broadway.

I think the kids in the choir were charged about $20 for the whole
trip, including trainfare. The school picked up the rest. That was in
the days schools had a little money.

Opera has fascinated me for a long, long time. Virtually every aspect
of it is way, way, way over the top.

BTW, if you want a real treat, listen to Anna Netrebko's "Violetta" CD.
Violetta Valery, the woman who "strayed." Some of the most beautiful
vocal music ever.



No thanks. Opera does absolutely nothing for me. However, I *can*
understand your early introduction to it.
My intro was the Boston Symphony Orchestra, probably at about the same
age. The power of the orchestra blew me away and stuck in my head.
Even today, once in a while, Mrs.E. and I get tickets and journey into
Boston just to hear a beautifully played piece of music.

But .... NOT opera!

Eisboch



A lot of people don't like opera until they go to the right opera.
Seriously. I like some of Wagner's music, but I cannot stand sitting
through his operas. If you went to see the Magic Flute or La Boheme or
any of several others, I bet you'd enjoy it.

I didn't like ballet until I was about 30. Then I went to one here in DC
and got hooked.

Try these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSX3HyWBqW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4sONjSaHWA


The latter has Netrebko when she was a young girl...the last few bars of
her as a coloratura soprano are just incredible for such a young singer.
She does an even better job of it now...her range and phrasing are just
remarkable.



Nah, now this is OPERA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWD...eature=related


True art. The last few bars of the helicopters strafing the coloratura
soprano are just incredible for those young Hueys. Today's helicopters
would do an even better job. Their range and phrasing are totally
remarkable.

Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC August 9th 08 03:52 PM

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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:58:12 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:
STOP. I have this bizzare image of you on stage with one of those
pointy Viking hats with the horns on the side, hands clasped before
you, belting out a "tune".

Eisboch


Wish it were so. These days, I can't carry a tune with a bucket. Back
in junior high, though, before my voice changed from boy soprano to
gravel, I could sing. A little.

At that first opera, we had seats on the side of the house, probably
the second balcony, and one of the female leads had absolutely
spectacular cleavage. That hooked me. The same weekend, we got to see
"West Side Story" on Broadway.

I think the kids in the choir were charged about $20 for the whole
trip, including trainfare. The school picked up the rest. That was in
the days schools had a little money.

Opera has fascinated me for a long, long time. Virtually every aspect
of it is way, way, way over the top.

BTW, if you want a real treat, listen to Anna Netrebko's "Violetta" CD.
Violetta Valery, the woman who "strayed." Some of the most beautiful
vocal music ever.


No thanks. Opera does absolutely nothing for me. However, I *can*
understand your early introduction to it.
My intro was the Boston Symphony Orchestra, probably at about the same
age. The power of the orchestra blew me away and stuck in my head.
Even today, once in a while, Mrs.E. and I get tickets and journey into
Boston just to hear a beautifully played piece of music.

But .... NOT opera!

Eisboch


A lot of people don't like opera until they go to the right opera.
Seriously. I like some of Wagner's music, but I cannot stand sitting
through his operas. If you went to see the Magic Flute or La Boheme or
any of several others, I bet you'd enjoy it.

I didn't like ballet until I was about 30. Then I went to one here in DC
and got hooked.

Try these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSX3HyWBqW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4sONjSaHWA


The latter has Netrebko when she was a young girl...the last few bars of
her as a coloratura soprano are just incredible for such a young singer.
She does an even better job of it now...her range and phrasing are just
remarkable.


Nah, now this is OPERA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWD...eature=related


True art. The last few bars of the helicopters strafing the coloratura
soprano are just incredible for those young Hueys. Today's helicopters
would do an even better job. Their range and phrasing are totally
remarkable.


They still have some Huey's in the Atlanta area, I love the sound. You
can hear them for a long time before they come into view.

John H.[_5_] August 9th 08 04:21 PM

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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:52:05 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:58:12 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:
STOP. I have this bizzare image of you on stage with one of those
pointy Viking hats with the horns on the side, hands clasped before
you, belting out a "tune".

Eisboch


Wish it were so. These days, I can't carry a tune with a bucket. Back
in junior high, though, before my voice changed from boy soprano to
gravel, I could sing. A little.

At that first opera, we had seats on the side of the house, probably
the second balcony, and one of the female leads had absolutely
spectacular cleavage. That hooked me. The same weekend, we got to see
"West Side Story" on Broadway.

I think the kids in the choir were charged about $20 for the whole
trip, including trainfare. The school picked up the rest. That was in
the days schools had a little money.

Opera has fascinated me for a long, long time. Virtually every aspect
of it is way, way, way over the top.

BTW, if you want a real treat, listen to Anna Netrebko's "Violetta" CD.
Violetta Valery, the woman who "strayed." Some of the most beautiful
vocal music ever.


No thanks. Opera does absolutely nothing for me. However, I *can*
understand your early introduction to it.
My intro was the Boston Symphony Orchestra, probably at about the same
age. The power of the orchestra blew me away and stuck in my head.
Even today, once in a while, Mrs.E. and I get tickets and journey into
Boston just to hear a beautifully played piece of music.

But .... NOT opera!

Eisboch


A lot of people don't like opera until they go to the right opera.
Seriously. I like some of Wagner's music, but I cannot stand sitting
through his operas. If you went to see the Magic Flute or La Boheme or
any of several others, I bet you'd enjoy it.

I didn't like ballet until I was about 30. Then I went to one here in DC
and got hooked.

Try these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSX3HyWBqW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4sONjSaHWA


The latter has Netrebko when she was a young girl...the last few bars of
her as a coloratura soprano are just incredible for such a young singer.
She does an even better job of it now...her range and phrasing are just
remarkable.


Nah, now this is OPERA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWD...eature=related


True art. The last few bars of the helicopters strafing the coloratura
soprano are just incredible for those young Hueys. Today's helicopters
would do an even better job. Their range and phrasing are totally
remarkable.


They still have some Huey's in the Atlanta area, I love the sound. You
can hear them for a long time before they come into view.


For about six months I was a lucky boy. I got to ride in Hueys at least
twice a day and got paid extra for doing so.

Calif Bill August 9th 08 06:34 PM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...


Being the father of a musical daughter, I have listened to all the genres
of music. Some opera is good, if you do not have to watch it. As to
Ballet, is amazing the athleticsm of the dancers. Daughter was also into
ballet, or I had to watch a lot. Still not my favorite entertainment.


As for musicals like "West Side Story", some of them are good, but IMO
they aren't Operas. They are Musicals.

We often went to the local Music Circus to see performances such as "Man
of La Mancha", "Paint Your Wagon", and "Bye Bye Birdie".

I don't consider them Opera.

Thinking about it though, I have often listened to opera singers ....
female and male .... performing individually. Some of that is very good.
I guess what doesn't excite me is sitting through 2 hours of story telling
through song.

Eisboch




Bad stories also. Was the soap operas of the time.



HK August 9th 08 06:42 PM

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

Being the father of a musical daughter, I have listened to all the genres
of music. Some opera is good, if you do not have to watch it. As to
Ballet, is amazing the athleticsm of the dancers. Daughter was also into
ballet, or I had to watch a lot. Still not my favorite entertainment.

As for musicals like "West Side Story", some of them are good, but IMO
they aren't Operas. They are Musicals.

We often went to the local Music Circus to see performances such as "Man
of La Mancha", "Paint Your Wagon", and "Bye Bye Birdie".

I don't consider them Opera.

Thinking about it though, I have often listened to opera singers ....
female and male .... performing individually. Some of that is very good.
I guess what doesn't excite me is sitting through 2 hours of story telling
through song.

Eisboch




Bad stories also. Was the soap operas of the time.




It's not that opera stories were "bad," generally, though some certainly
were. It's just that the story really isn't that significant a part of
the work in most of them. In most opera, the libretto is just a theme, a
beginning. It's the music, the singing, the show that is important. Even
in Mozart's time, the libretto for Don Giovanni was...bizarre. But the
work is one of the greatest ever written.

Consider the libretto for one of the greatest American musicals,
Oklahoma! Corny as Kansas, set in Oklahoma. Silliness. But...the music,
the singing, the dancing, the visuals are incomparable.

--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

Richard Casady August 9th 08 06:42 PM

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:24:41 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Ha, ha, ha..... what a bunch of ****....perv.. I have to know if
there is one person here reading these fantasies, who thinks wafa is
"not" full of ****.. Go ahead, post up guys, who is falling for this
crap...?? Anyone? Anyone at all??? I won't hold my breath...;)


What is bothering you? What makes a simple mundane account of a
standard high school field trip a fantasy? I could give a **** less
about opera and the opera fans, but that isn't really the point. The
tale seems plausible enough, although it does not belong at this
newsgroup. How does it need boating free commentary? If everyone would
quit responding to off topic it would help, and if not, renaming
threads often enough would help a lot.

Boating content. Anyone have a clue as the weight of my 1979 22 ft
Starcraft. Trailer lacks brakes. A Ranger had trouble with it, but I
have a F-150 and a Navigator. I only gave two grand for the boat, with
a 170 hp sterndrive, and the trailer. I think a new trailer would be
cheaper than adding brakes.

Richard Casady August 9th 08 06:42 PM

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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:52:05 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade,
Reginald P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC"
wrote:

They still have some Huey's in the Atlanta area, I love the sound. You
can hear them for a long time before they come into view.


I used to live half a mile from the Des Moines Iowa airport. The Hueys
would fly over my house at three hundred feet.

Casady

Vic Smith August 9th 08 09:37 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:23:54 -0400, hk wrote:


I'm not sure how important "the story" is for most opera, because most
opera stories are way, way over the top and, in fact, kind of silly. I
love opera for the singing and then for the music. Even if you don't
understand the language, you can understand the emotions being sung.

Right. But it sure helps to understand the words. Saw Andrea Bocelli
on PBS once and seeing the words scroll as he sang a song in tribute
to his recently dead father added much poignance for me.
Words do matter.
My favorite voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OP22rETN-s

Imagine not knowing what the words meant. Though the melody
and voice are uplifting, the words are expressing utmost sadness.
True art.
Of course Roy is absolutely unique.

--Vic

HK August 9th 08 09:42 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:23:54 -0400, hk wrote:

I'm not sure how important "the story" is for most opera, because most
opera stories are way, way over the top and, in fact, kind of silly. I
love opera for the singing and then for the music. Even if you don't
understand the language, you can understand the emotions being sung.

Right. But it sure helps to understand the words. Saw Andrea Bocelli
on PBS once and seeing the words scroll as he sang a song in tribute
to his recently dead father added much poignance for me.
Words do matter.
My favorite voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OP22rETN-s

Imagine not knowing what the words meant. Though the melody
and voice are uplifting, the words are expressing utmost sadness.
True art.
Of course Roy is absolutely unique.

--Vic



"Roy" was more than unique. Have you got the Traveling Wilburys CD?
Fabulous, and you sure can tell when it's Roy singing, though there are
no slouches on the CD. I like George Harrison's work on it, too. One of
my all-time favorite CDs.



--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

Calif Bill August 9th 08 10:07 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:23:54 -0400, hk wrote:


I'm not sure how important "the story" is for most opera, because most
opera stories are way, way over the top and, in fact, kind of silly. I
love opera for the singing and then for the music. Even if you don't
understand the language, you can understand the emotions being sung.

Right. But it sure helps to understand the words. Saw Andrea Bocelli
on PBS once and seeing the words scroll as he sang a song in tribute
to his recently dead father added much poignance for me.
Words do matter.
My favorite voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OP22rETN-s

Imagine not knowing what the words meant. Though the melody
and voice are uplifting, the words are expressing utmost sadness.
True art.
Of course Roy is absolutely unique.

--Vic


Roy was opera trained. Has been said that he would of been of the great
singers of opera.



Vic Smith August 9th 08 10:30 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:42:57 -0400, hk wrote:



"Roy" was more than unique. Have you got the Traveling Wilburys CD?
Fabulous, and you sure can tell when it's Roy singing, though there are
no slouches on the CD. I like George Harrison's work on it, too. One of
my all-time favorite CDs.


No, but I've heard cuts. Got the DVD of the gig with Bruce, Elvis,
Bonnie, etc. Tell the truth, I don't listen to CD's except when were
on the highway, and at Christmas time.
Wasted a lot of money buying CD's we listened to once, and some were
never opened. My wife's idea of course. She enjoys music more than
me.
The Orbison DVD and a BeeGees DVD "bought" from PBS have gotten a lot
of play. I'm not exactly a musical person. Just enjoy listening now
and then.

--Vic

Vic Smith August 9th 08 10:32 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:07:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Roy was opera trained. Has been said that he would of been of the great
singers of opera.

Heard once that his octave range is tremendous.
Whatever that means.

--Vic

[email protected] August 9th 08 10:43 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Aug 9, 5:32*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:07:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

Roy was opera trained. *Has been said that he would of been of the great
singers of opera.


Heard once that his octave range is tremendous.
Whatever that means. *

--Vic


Yeah, distinctive voice for sure. As easy to pick out as Dylan, Petty,
or Ronni Spectre.... to bad about Ronnie, have you ever heard that
story, weird;) Kept captive by Phil, or so she says..

[email protected] August 9th 08 10:56 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Aug 9, 5:43*pm, wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:32*pm, Vic Smith wrote:

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:07:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"


wrote:


Roy was opera trained. *Has been said that he would of been of the great
singers of opera.


Heard once that his octave range is tremendous.
Whatever that means. *


--Vic


Yeah, distinctive voice for sure. As easy to pick out as Dylan, Petty,
or Ronni Spectre.... * to bad about Ronnie, have you ever heard that
story, weird;) Kept captive by Phil, or so she says..


While we are talking bands again, I have seem some pretty obscure
musicians. I was at a snowed out concert one time and about 20 folks
showed up. Cub Coda sent the band to the bus, grabbed an acoustic
guitar. We all sat in a big circle on the dance floor at the club and
he played for us all night.. I also saw the Temptations once and the
"coolest" was probably Buddy Rich with a 16 piece orchestra.. What a
sick dude.. funny a frekin' hell... The club I worked at was run by a
couple of retired Las Vegas club owners, we got some neat acts there
for sure.. and it was a small place..

Working in the music biz for a while I also partied back stage with
some wild dudes too.. but some of that is still classified.. ;)

Vic Smith August 9th 08 11:04 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:43:56 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 9, 5:32?pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:07:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

Roy was opera trained. ?Has been said that he would of been of the great
singers of opera.


Heard once that his octave range is tremendous.
Whatever that means. ?

--Vic


Yeah, distinctive voice for sure. As easy to pick out as Dylan, Petty,
or Ronni Spectre.... to bad about Ronnie, have you ever heard that
story, weird;) Kept captive by Phil, or so she says..


No. Just the normal junk about the Spectre murder trial, and that's
bad enough. With a name like Spectre, it all might be expected.
That should have been reserved - along with SMERSH - for James
Bond novels.
My wife gets ****ed about how celebrities are giving their kids weird
names. I say "What do you care? Maybe I should I cancel the
subscription to US Weekly. That'll buy a lot of bait."
She says "No. I like reading it."
I say "Then quit bitching about what you're reading."
She says "It just bothers me." blah blah.
I say STFU. Well, I *think* about saying that. And so it goes.

--Vic

Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 9th 08 11:57 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:21:53 GMT, John H.
wrote:

For about six months I was a lucky boy. I got to ride in Hueys at least
twice a day and got paid extra for doing so.


Paid extra?

Freakin' Army....paid extra for riding in Hueys...

~~ sheesh ~~

Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 10th 08 12:06 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:58:58 GMT, John H.
wrote:

True art. The last few bars of the helicopters strafing the coloratura
soprano are just incredible for those young Hueys. Today's helicopters
would do an even better job. Their range and phrasing are totally
remarkable.


You know, I've never seen the movie.

Or "Full Metal Jacket", "Platoon", "Deer Hunter" - any of them.

My philosophy is I lived through that crap - why would I want to watch
it? :)

Reginald P. Smithers III[_10_] August 10th 08 12:11 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:58:58 GMT, John H.
wrote:

True art. The last few bars of the helicopters strafing the coloratura
soprano are just incredible for those young Hueys. Today's helicopters
would do an even better job. Their range and phrasing are totally
remarkable.


You know, I've never seen the movie.

Or "Full Metal Jacket", "Platoon", "Deer Hunter" - any of them.

My philosophy is I lived through that crap - why would I want to watch
it? :)


I think you are not unique. I didn't live through it, so it has always
amazed me how man can adapt to horrendous situations. I am also amazed
at how hero's are really just ordinary men who did what was necessary to
protect themselves and those around them.

Don White August 10th 08 01:28 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:23:54 -0400, hk wrote:

I'm not sure how important "the story" is for most opera, because most
opera stories are way, way over the top and, in fact, kind of silly. I
love opera for the singing and then for the music. Even if you don't
understand the language, you can understand the emotions being sung.

Right. But it sure helps to understand the words. Saw Andrea Bocelli
on PBS once and seeing the words scroll as he sang a song in tribute
to his recently dead father added much poignance for me.
Words do matter.
My favorite voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OP22rETN-s

Imagine not knowing what the words meant. Though the melody
and voice are uplifting, the words are expressing utmost sadness.
True art.
Of course Roy is absolutely unique.

--Vic



"Roy" was more than unique. Have you got the Traveling Wilburys CD?
Fabulous, and you sure can tell when it's Roy singing, though there are no
slouches on the CD. I like George Harrison's work on it, too. One of my
all-time favorite CDs.


I have both their albums... Vol 1 & Vol 3. Vol 1 is my favourite.
http://www.travelingwilburys.com/home.html



HK August 10th 08 01:34 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:23:54 -0400, hk wrote:

I'm not sure how important "the story" is for most opera, because most
opera stories are way, way over the top and, in fact, kind of silly. I
love opera for the singing and then for the music. Even if you don't
understand the language, you can understand the emotions being sung.

Right. But it sure helps to understand the words. Saw Andrea Bocelli
on PBS once and seeing the words scroll as he sang a song in tribute
to his recently dead father added much poignance for me.
Words do matter.
My favorite voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OP22rETN-s

Imagine not knowing what the words meant. Though the melody
and voice are uplifting, the words are expressing utmost sadness.
True art.
Of course Roy is absolutely unique.

--Vic


"Roy" was more than unique. Have you got the Traveling Wilburys CD?
Fabulous, and you sure can tell when it's Roy singing, though there are no
slouches on the CD. I like George Harrison's work on it, too. One of my
all-time favorite CDs.


I have both their albums... Vol 1 & Vol 3. Vol 1 is my favourite.
http://www.travelingwilburys.com/home.html



#1 is the gem. I love "last night" and "end of the line."




--
"The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade
and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion,
regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts
to weaken or undermine that right."

Reginald P. Smithers III[_10_] August 10th 08 02:13 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:23:54 -0400, hk wrote:

I'm not sure how important "the story" is for most opera, because most
opera stories are way, way over the top and, in fact, kind of silly. I
love opera for the singing and then for the music. Even if you don't
understand the language, you can understand the emotions being sung.

Right. But it sure helps to understand the words. Saw Andrea Bocelli
on PBS once and seeing the words scroll as he sang a song in tribute
to his recently dead father added much poignance for me.
Words do matter.
My favorite voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OP22rETN-s

Imagine not knowing what the words meant. Though the melody
and voice are uplifting, the words are expressing utmost sadness.
True art.
Of course Roy is absolutely unique.

--Vic


"Roy" was more than unique. Have you got the Traveling Wilburys CD?
Fabulous, and you sure can tell when it's Roy singing, though there are no
slouches on the CD. I like George Harrison's work on it, too. One of my
all-time favorite CDs.


I have both their albums... Vol 1 & Vol 3. Vol 1 is my favourite.
http://www.travelingwilburys.com/home.html



Don,
This is exactly the kind of posts that Harry doesn't like, off topic drivel.

Reginald P. Smithers III[_10_] August 10th 08 02:14 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
hk wrote:
Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:23:54 -0400, hk wrote:

I'm not sure how important "the story" is for most opera, because
most opera stories are way, way over the top and, in fact, kind of
silly. I love opera for the singing and then for the music. Even if
you don't understand the language, you can understand the emotions
being sung.

Right. But it sure helps to understand the words. Saw Andrea Bocelli
on PBS once and seeing the words scroll as he sang a song in tribute
to his recently dead father added much poignance for me.
Words do matter.
My favorite voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OP22rETN-s

Imagine not knowing what the words meant. Though the melody
and voice are uplifting, the words are expressing utmost sadness.
True art.
Of course Roy is absolutely unique.

--Vic

"Roy" was more than unique. Have you got the Traveling Wilburys CD?
Fabulous, and you sure can tell when it's Roy singing, though there
are no slouches on the CD. I like George Harrison's work on it, too.
One of my all-time favorite CDs.


I have both their albums... Vol 1 & Vol 3. Vol 1 is my favourite.
http://www.travelingwilburys.com/home.html



#1 is the gem. I love "last night" and "end of the line."





Oh, I am sorry, since Harry liked the group, this OT drivel is allowed.

John H.[_5_] August 10th 08 02:27 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:57:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:21:53 GMT, John H.
wrote:

For about six months I was a lucky boy. I got to ride in Hueys at least
twice a day and got paid extra for doing so.


Paid extra?

Freakin' Army....paid extra for riding in Hueys...

~~ sheesh ~~


Yup, flight pay, $110 per month. Paid for beer.

John H.[_5_] August 10th 08 02:27 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:06:11 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:58:58 GMT, John H.
wrote:

True art. The last few bars of the helicopters strafing the coloratura
soprano are just incredible for those young Hueys. Today's helicopters
would do an even better job. Their range and phrasing are totally
remarkable.


You know, I've never seen the movie.

Or "Full Metal Jacket", "Platoon", "Deer Hunter" - any of them.

My philosophy is I lived through that crap - why would I want to watch
it? :)


"Platoon" was good and fairly realistic. The rest were crap.

Eisboch August 10th 08 04:38 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

It's not that opera stories were "bad," generally, though some certainly
were. It's just that the story really isn't that significant a part of the
work in most of them. In most opera, the libretto is just a theme, a
beginning. It's the music, the singing, the show that is important. Even
in Mozart's time, the libretto for Don Giovanni was...bizarre. But the
work is one of the greatest ever written.

Consider the libretto for one of the greatest American musicals, Oklahoma!
Corny as Kansas, set in Oklahoma. Silliness. But...the music, the singing,
the dancing, the visuals are incomparable.



"Oklahoma" isn't an opera.

Eisboch



Jim August 10th 08 11:37 AM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

It's not that opera stories were "bad," generally, though some certainly
were. It's just that the story really isn't that significant a part of
the work in most of them. In most opera, the libretto is just a theme, a
beginning. It's the music, the singing, the show that is important. Even
in Mozart's time, the libretto for Don Giovanni was...bizarre. But the
work is one of the greatest ever written.

Consider the libretto for one of the greatest American musicals,
Oklahoma! Corny as Kansas, set in Oklahoma. Silliness. But...the music,
the singing, the dancing, the visuals are incomparable.



"Oklahoma" isn't an opera.

Eisboch

Opera, Ohpra, ballet, Bailey's; Its all the same to Harry. What's important
is he's refined and cultured and knows good taste and what tastes good. He
is also a greenie. He knows exactly what size boat you should own and how
much of a carbon footprint you should leave. Yours is way to big by the way.
If it weren't for Harry we wouldn't know how to vote. He makes it easy
though. Don't look at names, just vote the big donkey. And does he know
trucks. They are all special purpose. For instance; For crushing legs you
want a Ford150 and for towing Parker boats down the interstate at 45MPH,
Toyota rules.

You can probably tell I haven't had my morning coffee yet.
Cheers,
Florida Jim


Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 10th 08 12:22 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:38:54 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...

It's not that opera stories were "bad," generally, though some certainly
were. It's just that the story really isn't that significant a part of the
work in most of them. In most opera, the libretto is just a theme, a
beginning. It's the music, the singing, the show that is important. Even
in Mozart's time, the libretto for Don Giovanni was...bizarre. But the
work is one of the greatest ever written.

Consider the libretto for one of the greatest American musicals, Oklahoma!
Corny as Kansas, set in Oklahoma. Silliness. But...the music, the singing,
the dancing, the visuals are incomparable.


"Oklahoma" isn't an opera.


You do realise you missed a great opportunity there don't you?

Opera tunes - show tunes?

Twinkle toes?

Navy?

Ok, that was uncalled for - I'm sorry.

Really.

Honest.

It's all this Dunkin' Donuts Turbo Iced Coffee I've been drinking at
0530 - spins me right up and supercharges the brain.

And for somebody who doesn't drink a lot of coffee....

Well, I"m sure you get the idea.

Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 10th 08 12:33 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:37:59 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

It's not that opera stories were "bad," generally, though some certainly
were. It's just that the story really isn't that significant a part of
the work in most of them. In most opera, the libretto is just a theme, a
beginning. It's the music, the singing, the show that is important. Even
in Mozart's time, the libretto for Don Giovanni was...bizarre. But the
work is one of the greatest ever written.

Consider the libretto for one of the greatest American musicals,
Oklahoma! Corny as Kansas, set in Oklahoma. Silliness. But...the music,
the singing, the dancing, the visuals are incomparable.


"Oklahoma" isn't an opera.

Opera, Ohpra, ballet, Bailey's; Its all the same to Harry. What's important
is he's refined and cultured and knows good taste and what tastes good. He
is also a greenie. He knows exactly what size boat you should own and how
much of a carbon footprint you should leave. Yours is way to big by the way.
If it weren't for Harry we wouldn't know how to vote. He makes it easy
though. Don't look at names, just vote the big donkey. And does he know
trucks. They are all special purpose. For instance; For crushing legs you
want a Ford150 and for towing Parker boats down the interstate at 45MPH,
Toyota rules.


Trust me on this - you don't know the half of it.

It's been an interesting couple of days.

You can probably tell I haven't had my morning coffee yet.


Try a Dunkin' Donuts Turbo Iced Coffee with double shot of expresso.

WHOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Why is the room spinning around?

Jim August 10th 08 01:18 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:37:59 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

It's not that opera stories were "bad," generally, though some
certainly
were. It's just that the story really isn't that significant a part of
the work in most of them. In most opera, the libretto is just a theme,
a
beginning. It's the music, the singing, the show that is important.
Even
in Mozart's time, the libretto for Don Giovanni was...bizarre. But the
work is one of the greatest ever written.

Consider the libretto for one of the greatest American musicals,
Oklahoma! Corny as Kansas, set in Oklahoma. Silliness. But...the music,
the singing, the dancing, the visuals are incomparable.

"Oklahoma" isn't an opera.

Opera, Ohpra, ballet, Bailey's; Its all the same to Harry. What's
important
is he's refined and cultured and knows good taste and what tastes good. He
is also a greenie. He knows exactly what size boat you should own and how
much of a carbon footprint you should leave. Yours is way to big by the
way.
If it weren't for Harry we wouldn't know how to vote. He makes it easy
though. Don't look at names, just vote the big donkey. And does he know
trucks. They are all special purpose. For instance; For crushing legs you
want a Ford150 and for towing Parker boats down the interstate at 45MPH,
Toyota rules.


Trust me on this - you don't know the half of it.

It's been an interesting couple of days.

You can probably tell I haven't had my morning coffee yet.


Try a Dunkin' Donuts Turbo Iced Coffee with double shot of expresso.

WHOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Why is the room spinning around?


Jeff Dunham should read some of Harry's crap. It would provide some good
material for his Walter character. Of course he'd have to clean up the
language.


Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 10th 08 01:33 PM

Anybody over 45 remember...
 
Jim wrote:


Try a Dunkin' Donuts Turbo Iced Coffee with double shot of expresso.

WHOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Why is the room spinning around?


Jeff Dunham should read some of Harry's crap. It would provide some good
material for his Walter character. Of course he'd have to clean up the
language.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I226Sfgs0s




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