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On Aug 7, 3:22 pm, hk wrote:
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On Aug 7, 3:15 pm, hk wrote:
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U.S. segregates violent Iraqi prisoners in crates
From Barbara Starr
CNN Pentagon Correspondent
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. military is segregating violent Iraqi
prisoners in wooden crates that in some cases are not much bigger than
the prisoners.
The U.S. released three photos, including this one, of crates used to
hold detainees for up to 12 hours.
The military released photos of what it calls the "segregation boxes"
used in Iraq.
Three grainy black-and-white photos show the rudimentary structures of
wood and mesh. Some of the boxes are as small as 3 feet by 3 feet by 6
feet tall, according to military officials, although they did not
release a picture of a box that size.
The average Iraqi male is 5 feet 6 inches tall, according to the Iraqi
Ministry of Health. That leaves little room for a prisoner to move once
put in the detention box. See how a man might fit in the crate »
The photos were made public after a blogger filed a Freedom of
Information Act request in 2005.
The military said the boxes are humane and are checked every 15 minutes.
It said detainees, who stand in the boxes, are isolated for no more than
12 hours at a time.
"Someone in a segregation box is actually observed more than those
anywhere else," said Maj. Neal Fisher, a spokesman for Task Force 134,
the Marine unit in charge of detainees. "Their care and custody does not
change simply because they are in segregation." Video Watch why the
boxes raise human rights concerns »
A prisoner has never fallen ill or died because of being held in a
segregation box, Fisher said.
Human rights advocates say little is known about how the military treats
prisoners inside these boxes.
"There are concerns that they could be used in places where the
detainees are enclosed in extremely hot conditions. It is important to
know whether or not detainees are provided with food," said Jennifer
Daskel of Human Rights Watch.
Prisoners get food and water during their time in the boxes, Fisher
said.
Since the abuses at Abu Ghraib , the U.S. has improved conditions for
the 20,000 prisoners there, the military said.
But life is tough behind the wire. Hundreds are still considered by the
military to be al Qaeda loyalists.
The U.S. military has released about 10,000 Iraqi prisoners and said it
hopes to release more. Recently, 20 foreign fighters were sent back to
Egypt and Saudi Arabia, the military said.
"We are able to capture threats to the Iraqi government and the
population, detain them, rehabilitate them, and 99 times out of 100
release them," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said.
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Yes sir, the Bush Administration is working hard to increase respect
around the world for this country.
About the same size as the "boxes" some of our troops come home in.
Yeah, well, you can blame that on the Bush Administration, too. Our troops
should never have been sent into Iraq.
Nice spin.
Not at all. Bush sent our troops into Iraq under false pretenses. A new
book published this week indicates the Bush Administration's lies to get
us into the war were even greater than anyone realized.
Here we go again.
Not at all. It's just that the evidence against Bush is mounting.

BTW, the Iraqis are insisting upon a time table for withdrawal of our
troops. I guess McCain will have to flop...again.

How many times can you argue the same lies?

I'm sorry, Jim, but just this week another book came out on Bush's lies
regarding Iraq. The Administration of course is in deep denial, but it
doesn't matter, because the Administration has no credibility.


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Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

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I'm sorry, Jim, but just this week another book came out on Bush's lies
regarding Iraq. The Administration of course is in deep denial, but it
doesn't matter, because the Administration has no credibility.




Good grief Harry. A guy writes a book (I saw the reviews) and claims
knowledge that nobody else has and, to you, it is gospel because it happens
to support your viewpoint?

There was also a well researched documentary on contemporary Middle East
history this week on the History Channel (International, I think), that
offers serious evidence of Sadam's association with what ultimately became
Al Qaeda .... and it went back many years before 9/11. I don't take it
for gospel either, but it's worth thinking about.

Eisboch

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I'm sorry, Jim, but just this week another book came out on Bush's lies
regarding Iraq. The Administration of course is in deep denial, but it
doesn't matter, because the Administration has no credibility.




Good grief Harry. A guy writes a book (I saw the reviews) and claims
knowledge that nobody else has and, to you, it is gospel because it happens
to support your viewpoint?

There was also a well researched documentary on contemporary Middle East
history this week on the History Channel (International, I think), that
offers serious evidence of Sadam's association with what ultimately became
Al Qaeda .... and it went back many years before 9/11. I don't take it
for gospel either, but it's worth thinking about.

Eisboch




You're not following the uproar the book has created, and the
confirmations of its revelations. I'm sure the book is being trashed on
Fake, Er, Faux, er, Fox Noise, er, News, though.





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Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

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I'm sorry, Jim, but just this week another book came out on Bush's lies
regarding Iraq. The Administration of course is in deep denial, but it
doesn't matter, because the Administration has no credibility.




Good grief Harry. A guy writes a book (I saw the reviews) and claims
knowledge that nobody else has and, to you, it is gospel because it
happens to support your viewpoint?

There was also a well researched documentary on contemporary Middle East
history this week on the History Channel (International, I think), that
offers serious evidence of Sadam's association with what ultimately
became Al Qaeda .... and it went back many years before 9/11. I don't
take it for gospel either, but it's worth thinking about.

Eisboch


You're not following the uproar the book has created, and the
confirmations of its revelations. I'm sure the book is being trashed on
Fake, Er, Faux, er, Fox Noise, er, News, though.





I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin and
condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I hear is
others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is the
confirmation? What have I missed?

Eisboch

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I'm sorry, Jim, but just this week another book came out on Bush's lies
regarding Iraq. The Administration of course is in deep denial, but it
doesn't matter, because the Administration has no credibility.



Good grief Harry. A guy writes a book (I saw the reviews) and claims
knowledge that nobody else has and, to you, it is gospel because it
happens to support your viewpoint?

There was also a well researched documentary on contemporary Middle East
history this week on the History Channel (International, I think), that
offers serious evidence of Sadam's association with what ultimately
became Al Qaeda .... and it went back many years before 9/11. I don't
take it for gospel either, but it's worth thinking about.

Eisboch

You're not following the uproar the book has created, and the
confirmations of its revelations. I'm sure the book is being trashed on
Fake, Er, Faux, er, Fox Noise, er, News, though.





I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin and
condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I hear is
others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is the
confirmation? What have I missed?

Eisboch



Hopefully, there will be hearings...right after the elections.


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Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

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I'm sorry, Jim, but just this week another book came out on Bush's
lies regarding Iraq. The Administration of course is in deep denial,
but it doesn't matter, because the Administration has no credibility.



Good grief Harry. A guy writes a book (I saw the reviews) and claims
knowledge that nobody else has and, to you, it is gospel because it
happens to support your viewpoint?

There was also a well researched documentary on contemporary Middle
East history this week on the History Channel (International, I think),
that offers serious evidence of Sadam's association with what
ultimately became Al Qaeda .... and it went back many years before
9/11. I don't take it for gospel either, but it's worth thinking
about.

Eisboch

You're not following the uproar the book has created, and the
confirmations of its revelations. I'm sure the book is being trashed on
Fake, Er, Faux, er, Fox Noise, er, News, though.





I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin
and condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I
hear is others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is
the confirmation? What have I missed?

Eisboch

Hopefully, there will be hearings...right after the elections.


Ahhhhh...... "right after the elections" ......

How about some confirmation from the author ..... like ..... right now!

I have an open mind.

Eisboch


--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

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I'm sorry, Jim, but just this week another book came out on Bush's
lies regarding Iraq. The Administration of course is in deep denial,
but it doesn't matter, because the Administration has no credibility.


Good grief Harry. A guy writes a book (I saw the reviews) and claims
knowledge that nobody else has and, to you, it is gospel because it
happens to support your viewpoint?

There was also a well researched documentary on contemporary Middle
East history this week on the History Channel (International, I think),
that offers serious evidence of Sadam's association with what
ultimately became Al Qaeda .... and it went back many years before
9/11. I don't take it for gospel either, but it's worth thinking
about.

Eisboch
You're not following the uproar the book has created, and the
confirmations of its revelations. I'm sure the book is being trashed on
Fake, Er, Faux, er, Fox Noise, er, News, though.




I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin
and condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I
hear is others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is
the confirmation? What have I missed?

Eisboch
Hopefully, there will be hearings...right after the elections.


Ahhhhh...... "right after the elections" ......

How about some confirmation from the author ..... like ..... right now!

I have an open mind.

Eisboch

--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.




The author has been on TV interview shows every day...just saw him a few
minutes ago on MSNBC...



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Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

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I'm sorry, Jim, but just this week another book came out on Bush's
lies regarding Iraq. The Administration of course is in deep denial,
but it doesn't matter, because the Administration has no credibility.


Good grief Harry. A guy writes a book (I saw the reviews) and claims
knowledge that nobody else has and, to you, it is gospel because it
happens to support your viewpoint?

There was also a well researched documentary on contemporary Middle
East history this week on the History Channel (International, I think),
that offers serious evidence of Sadam's association with what
ultimately became Al Qaeda .... and it went back many years before
9/11. I don't take it for gospel either, but it's worth thinking
about.

Eisboch
You're not following the uproar the book has created, and the
confirmations of its revelations. I'm sure the book is being trashed on
Fake, Er, Faux, er, Fox Noise, er, News, though.




I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin
and condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I
hear is others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is
the confirmation? What have I missed?

Eisboch
Hopefully, there will be hearings...right after the elections.


Ahhhhh...... "right after the elections" ......

How about some confirmation from the author ..... like ..... right now!

I have an open mind.

Eisboch

--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.



Sounds too much like "I have a plan..."

Remember how well that worked?

Eisboch wrote:

I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin and
condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I hear is
others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is the
confirmation? What have I missed?

Did you happen to catch this?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=93319762

"listen now"

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Eisboch wrote:

I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin
and condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I
hear is others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is
the confirmation? What have I missed?

Did you happen to catch this?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=93319762

"listen now"


Thanks. I listened to the whole interview. The truth remains invisible,
since his primary sources are currently denying the story, but he makes a
compelling case.

For some reason this whole affair reminds me of the still circulating
theories that FDR "knew" of the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
but did nothing because he needed a reason to convince the American public
that going to war was necessary.

Eisboch