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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:35:22 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:59:01 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



It's all a huge conspiracy.

Yeah but, I you'll notice most, not all, conspiracy theories come into
being because there are so many holes in the original. By modern
standards, the Warren Commission Report on the Kennedy assassination left
lots to be desired. Perhaps, if the Bush administration had done a
better job of "selling" the war, if we had actually found some WMD, if
the "yellow cake" from Niger wasn't based on forged Italian documents, if
Saddam's ties to Al Qaeda were conclusive, we wouldn't have so many
"conspiracy theories". On the other hand, those that believe we never
landed on the moon, are just nuts. I have personally seen the Alurian
mothership that took Armstrong and Aldrin there when I was working at
Area 51.

Read my reply to Harry about connecting dots. :)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:26:06 -0400, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:04:57 -0400, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:17:00 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"-rick-" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin
and condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I
hear is others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is
the confirmation? What have I missed?
Did you happen to catch this?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=93319762

"listen now"
Thanks. I listened to the whole interview. The truth remains invisible,
since his primary sources are currently denying the story, but he makes a
compelling case.

For some reason this whole affair reminds me of the still circulating
theories that FDR "knew" of the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
but did nothing because he needed a reason to convince the American public
that going to war was necessary.
BTW, for those interested in the concept of history repeating itself,
here's a link to a FDR conspiracy story that offers "proof".
What these guys don't understand is that they are as bad as Larry.

Somebody writes a book, nobody reads it, but for some reason it's
cited as "proof" of this, that or the other thing.

Humans love conspiracy's. Its' just like the whole "Dick Cheney" is
an evil Oil Man - Obama tried to link everything to Dick Cheney and
his oil friends. It's all a huge conspiracy.

If Dick Cheney's energy plan is such an inherent evil, then why did
Obama vote for it? (McCain didn't by the way).

It's all bull****. Nobody knows for sure - it's all guess work.
Ahhh...the great Faux News Equalizer. :)
No offense Harry, but you are Larry's opposite.

Two dies of the same coin.

Your just not as weird.
Sure, Tom, and that's just because I believe the Bush Admin lied us into
a war with Iraq.

You believe what you want to believe.

That's the point. Truthers are Truthers - little or no evidence, lots
of dots.

In mathematics, there is a concept called convergence which describes
limiting behaviour, particularly of an infinite sequence or series,
toward some limit.

Put another way, convergence claims the existence of a limit which may
be unknown.

Put another way all dots can eventually be connected in some way no
matter how remote and/or disconnected from the orignal limit if one
continually connects them in unique unlimited ways not related to the
orignal limiting design.

Which is how you get Rockefeller, Tri-Lateral Commissions, Illumaniti,
Freemasonry, Dick Cheney, WMDs in Iraq and 9/11 Trutherism.

In short, you are Larry - a dot connector.

Just a different kind of dot connector. :)


Sure, Tom. Right. Of course.



--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

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"hk" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Your just not as weird.



Sure, Tom, and that's just because I believe the Bush Admin lied us into a
war with Iraq.


Fine. Now, getting back to the NPR interview .... one thing that popped
into mind as I listened was the author's obvious personal dislike of the
Bush administration, particularly Cheney. He claims that Bush isn't
(wasn't) strong enough to stand up to Cheney and his opinion, much like
yours, that GWB lied, is the worst President ever, etc., etc., etc. These
comments were interspersed between the interviewer's questions and the
discussion of his book's claims.

So, it sorta sets the mindset and agenda of the author. I would be more
convinced if he simply stuck to the allegations contained in his book and
defended it's accuracy.

Here's what is happening:

The book gets headlines and heavy media exposure, less than 3 months from
election day.
The primary sources of the information contained in the book have denied the
Suskind's claims.
Suskind offers his personal "opinion" that they did so because they are
afraid of having to testify.
The "truth", whatever it is, will come out ...... after the election.
Meanwhile, the damage has been done. The yet unsubstantiated claims have
stuck in many people's minds.


Give me a break.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:55:53 -0400, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:26:06 -0400, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:04:57 -0400, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:17:00 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"-rick-" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:

I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin
and condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I
hear is others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is
the confirmation? What have I missed?
Did you happen to catch this?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=93319762

"listen now"
Thanks. I listened to the whole interview. The truth remains invisible,
since his primary sources are currently denying the story, but he makes a
compelling case.

For some reason this whole affair reminds me of the still circulating
theories that FDR "knew" of the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
but did nothing because he needed a reason to convince the American public
that going to war was necessary.
BTW, for those interested in the concept of history repeating itself,
here's a link to a FDR conspiracy story that offers "proof".
What these guys don't understand is that they are as bad as Larry.

Somebody writes a book, nobody reads it, but for some reason it's
cited as "proof" of this, that or the other thing.

Humans love conspiracy's. Its' just like the whole "Dick Cheney" is
an evil Oil Man - Obama tried to link everything to Dick Cheney and
his oil friends. It's all a huge conspiracy.

If Dick Cheney's energy plan is such an inherent evil, then why did
Obama vote for it? (McCain didn't by the way).

It's all bull****. Nobody knows for sure - it's all guess work.
Ahhh...the great Faux News Equalizer. :)
No offense Harry, but you are Larry's opposite.

Two dies of the same coin.

Your just not as weird.
Sure, Tom, and that's just because I believe the Bush Admin lied us into
a war with Iraq.

You believe what you want to believe.

That's the point. Truthers are Truthers - little or no evidence, lots
of dots.

In mathematics, there is a concept called convergence which describes
limiting behaviour, particularly of an infinite sequence or series,
toward some limit.

Put another way, convergence claims the existence of a limit which may
be unknown.

Put another way all dots can eventually be connected in some way no
matter how remote and/or disconnected from the orignal limit if one
continually connects them in unique unlimited ways not related to the
orignal limiting design.

Which is how you get Rockefeller, Tri-Lateral Commissions, Illumaniti,
Freemasonry, Dick Cheney, WMDs in Iraq and 9/11 Trutherism.

In short, you are Larry - a dot connector.

Just a different kind of dot connector. :)

Sure, Tom. Right. Of course.

Thus proving that you didn't read a single thing I said.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:55:53 -0400, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:26:06 -0400, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:04:57 -0400, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:17:00 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"-rick-" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:

I am watching ..... and listening. I see a whole bunch of noise, spin
and condemnations, but where's the "confirmation" you speak of. All I
hear is others saying, like you, "It is confirmed". Yet ..... were is
the confirmation? What have I missed?
Did you happen to catch this?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=93319762

"listen now"
Thanks. I listened to the whole interview. The truth remains invisible,
since his primary sources are currently denying the story, but he makes a
compelling case.

For some reason this whole affair reminds me of the still circulating
theories that FDR "knew" of the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
but did nothing because he needed a reason to convince the American public
that going to war was necessary.
BTW, for those interested in the concept of history repeating itself,
here's a link to a FDR conspiracy story that offers "proof".
What these guys don't understand is that they are as bad as Larry.

Somebody writes a book, nobody reads it, but for some reason it's
cited as "proof" of this, that or the other thing.

Humans love conspiracy's. Its' just like the whole "Dick Cheney" is
an evil Oil Man - Obama tried to link everything to Dick Cheney and
his oil friends. It's all a huge conspiracy.

If Dick Cheney's energy plan is such an inherent evil, then why did
Obama vote for it? (McCain didn't by the way).

It's all bull****. Nobody knows for sure - it's all guess work.
Ahhh...the great Faux News Equalizer. :)
No offense Harry, but you are Larry's opposite.

Two dies of the same coin.

Your just not as weird.
Sure, Tom, and that's just because I believe the Bush Admin lied us into
a war with Iraq.
You believe what you want to believe.

That's the point. Truthers are Truthers - little or no evidence, lots
of dots.

In mathematics, there is a concept called convergence which describes
limiting behaviour, particularly of an infinite sequence or series,
toward some limit.

Put another way, convergence claims the existence of a limit which may
be unknown.

Put another way all dots can eventually be connected in some way no
matter how remote and/or disconnected from the orignal limit if one
continually connects them in unique unlimited ways not related to the
orignal limiting design.

Which is how you get Rockefeller, Tri-Lateral Commissions, Illumaniti,
Freemasonry, Dick Cheney, WMDs in Iraq and 9/11 Trutherism.

In short, you are Larry - a dot connector.

Just a different kind of dot connector. :)
Sure, Tom. Right. Of course.

Thus proving that you didn't read a single thing I said.




I read it.

Frankly, you sound a lot more like Larry than I do.



--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

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"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:59:01 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



It's all a huge conspiracy.

Yeah but, I you'll notice most, not all, conspiracy theories come into
being because there are so many holes in the original. By modern
standards, the Warren Commission Report on the Kennedy assassination left
lots to be desired. Perhaps, if the Bush administration had done a
better job of "selling" the war, if we had actually found some WMD, if
the "yellow cake" from Niger wasn't based on forged Italian documents, if
Saddam's ties to Al Qaeda were conclusive, we wouldn't have so many
"conspiracy theories". On the other hand, those that believe we never
landed on the moon, are just nuts. I have personally seen the Alurian
mothership that took Armstrong and Aldrin there when I was working at
Area 51.



My favorite conspiracy theory of late was put to rest yesterday when Osama
bin Laden's driver drew, in effect, a six-month sentence in the face of
the lying Bush Administration's calls for a 30-year sentence:

"GUANTANAMO BAY NAVY BASE, Cuba -- In a stunning rebuke, a six-member U.S.
military jury Thursday ignored a Pentagon prosecutor's plea for a 30
years-plus term and ordered Osama bin Laden's driver to 66 months in
prison.

With credit for time served given by the judge, that means Salim Hamdan,
40, of Yemen will be eligible to return home by January.

Choked with emotion on hearing the sentence, Hamdan stood and addressed
the jury, unscripted, and twice more apologized for any pain his work as a
$200-a-month driver had caused. "And I would like to thank you for what
you have done for me," he said.

The jury's decision, after just 70 minutes of deliberation, was a huge
rebuke to the U.S. government, which had insisted that on his conviction
for material support for terror no less than 30 years confinement would
suffice.

He is the first war-on-terror captive convicted at the first contested
U.S. war crimes tribunal since World War II."

- - - - - - - - - -


Not only was Hamdan the first, the government claimed several times its
case against him was "the strongest."

More and more, the Bush Administration's statements and claims regarding
the reasons for its war against Iraq are being revealed as complete
fabrications.

Oh, and the political reunification that was the major reason for the
surge? It ain't happening.



--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

These folks in Iraq have been fighting amongst themselves for 1000s of years
and it ain't gonna stop in our life times.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Your just not as weird.

Speak for yourself. I find Larry to be very pleasant and helpful, I
can't say either about Harry, but Harry is very very weird.

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D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:59:01 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



It's all a huge conspiracy.
Yeah but, I you'll notice most, not all, conspiracy theories come into
being because there are so many holes in the original. By modern
standards, the Warren Commission Report on the Kennedy assassination left
lots to be desired. Perhaps, if the Bush administration had done a
better job of "selling" the war, if we had actually found some WMD, if
the "yellow cake" from Niger wasn't based on forged Italian documents, if
Saddam's ties to Al Qaeda were conclusive, we wouldn't have so many
"conspiracy theories". On the other hand, those that believe we never
landed on the moon, are just nuts. I have personally seen the Alurian
mothership that took Armstrong and Aldrin there when I was working at
Area 51.


My favorite conspiracy theory of late was put to rest yesterday when Osama
bin Laden's driver drew, in effect, a six-month sentence in the face of
the lying Bush Administration's calls for a 30-year sentence:

"GUANTANAMO BAY NAVY BASE, Cuba -- In a stunning rebuke, a six-member U.S.
military jury Thursday ignored a Pentagon prosecutor's plea for a 30
years-plus term and ordered Osama bin Laden's driver to 66 months in
prison.

With credit for time served given by the judge, that means Salim Hamdan,
40, of Yemen will be eligible to return home by January.

Choked with emotion on hearing the sentence, Hamdan stood and addressed
the jury, unscripted, and twice more apologized for any pain his work as a
$200-a-month driver had caused. "And I would like to thank you for what
you have done for me," he said.

The jury's decision, after just 70 minutes of deliberation, was a huge
rebuke to the U.S. government, which had insisted that on his conviction
for material support for terror no less than 30 years confinement would
suffice.

He is the first war-on-terror captive convicted at the first contested
U.S. war crimes tribunal since World War II."

- - - - - - - - - -


Not only was Hamdan the first, the government claimed several times its
case against him was "the strongest."

More and more, the Bush Administration's statements and claims regarding
the reasons for its war against Iraq are being revealed as complete
fabrications.

Oh, and the political reunification that was the major reason for the
surge? It ain't happening.



--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

These folks in Iraq have been fighting amongst themselves for 1000s of years
and it ain't gonna stop in our life times.





If you are really naive, and you are president of the United States, you
might convince yourself that if you invade a country like Iraq, depose
its leadership, occupy the country, reconstitute a local government,
exempt your soldiers and contractors from local laws, provide many
targets for your enemies, virtually ignore the problems in Afghanistan,
and have an orgasm over purple-ink stained fingers, then you might
believe you are going to establish a modern, "western-style" democracy
in Iraq.

Thankfully, the Iraqis have told Bush they want us out of there...and on
Obama's schedule.


--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.