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Stamp, carve, engrave? Hull number
I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter
than CA. In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears in the 70s as the hull number. In AZ they said that isn't a hull number and I need to put one on my boat. It is just a 12' aluminum jon boat. How would one go about attaching this number? The woman said I should use a metal punch, but I don't own one and wouldn't use it for anything else (not that I don't buy tools on a whim most of the time). The law in AZ states: Burned, Carved, Stamped, Embossed, Molded, Bonded, or otherwise permantently affixed to the watercraft so that alteration, removal, or replacement would be obvious. The boat has so many holes in it, I don't think it would be obvious that it was removed no matter what I did... but I don't care so much about that, just want to be legal enough that they won't hassle me about it. O-ya, and the letters need to be at least 1/4", and the one metal punch kit I did see was only 3/16" (I've only seen them on-line, not in any local stores, which is another hassle). O-well, the paper says I have 30 days to do this, so I'm still going fishing this weekend! =] |
Stamp, carve, engrave? Hull number
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the one metal punch kit I did see was only 3/16" http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=35121 |
Stamp, carve, engrave? Hull number
On Aug 6, 8:41*pm, wrote:
I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter than CA. *In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears in the 70s as the hull number. *In AZ they said that isn't a hull number and I need to put one on my boat. *It is just a 12' aluminum jon boat. How would one go about attaching this number? *The woman said I should use a metal punch, but I don't own one and wouldn't use it for anything else (not that I don't buy tools on a whim most of the time). The law in AZ states: Burned, Carved, Stamped, Embossed, Molded, Bonded, or otherwise permantently affixed to the watercraft so that alteration, removal, or replacement would be obvious. The boat has so many holes in it, I don't think it would be obvious that it was removed no matter what I did... but I don't care so much about that, just want to be legal enough that they won't hassle me about it. *O-ya, and the letters need to be at least 1/4", and the one metal punch kit I did see was only 3/16" (I've only seen them on-line, not in any local stores, which is another hassle). O-well, the paper says I have 30 days to do this, so I'm still going fishing this weekend! =] Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..;) |
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Stamp, carve, engrave? Hull number
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... That will do it. Or .... here in MA (also has very strick regulations regarding having a HIV number on the transom), a thin metal plate with the HIV number stamped into it and then pop riveted to the transom is acceptable. The new rigid hull inflatable I just bought was done that way and was acceptable for registration purposes. Eisboch forgot .... thin metal plate and pop rivets are obviously made of alumium. |
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:41:27 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter than CA. In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears in the 70s as the hull number. In AZ they said that isn't a hull number and I need to put one on my boat. It is just a 12' aluminum jon boat. How would one go about attaching this number? The woman said I should use a metal punch, but I don't own one and wouldn't use it for anything else (not that I don't buy tools on a whim most of the time). The law in AZ states: Burned, Carved, Stamped, Embossed, Molded, Bonded, or otherwise permantently affixed to the watercraft so that alteration, removal, or replacement would be obvious. The boat has so many holes in it, I don't think it would be obvious that it was removed no matter what I did... but I don't care so much about that, just want to be legal enough that they won't hassle me about it. O-ya, and the letters need to be at least 1/4", and the one metal punch kit I did see was only 3/16" (I've only seen them on-line, not in any local stores, which is another hassle). O-well, the paper says I have 30 days to do this, so I'm still going fishing this weekend! =] Write it somewhere with a magic marker. If they argue, Show them the magic marker you used, which has the word "permanent" printed on the label. get a template for 1/2 inch high numbers and an electic engraving tool, or get a shop that does engraving to make up an aluminum plaque, and bond it on with 5200, with both surfaces freshly sanded. |
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On Aug 6, 6:30*pm, wrote:
On Aug 6, 8:41*pm, wrote: I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter than CA. *In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears in the 70s as the hull number. *In AZ they said that isn't a hull number and I need to put one on my boat. *It is just a 12' aluminum jon boat. How would one go about attaching this number? Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..;) Thanks, I was thinking about a thin metal plate, but had only thought about rivits.. and I have no experience with rivits so not sure how dificult that would be (especially if I just got a cheap-o tool and not something good). I hadn't thought about screws, I bet if I just used sheet metal screws and then grinded them or stripped the heck out of them (to the point you couldn't remove just by unscrewing) that should work. Plus, the inside part of where I'll be attaching the number has a 5/8" board on it (for clamping the motor/engine) so screws should work well. Also, I should mention that I already have my registration, so it isn't like some states (I imagine) where you have to have the numbers inspected prior to registration... so it really only will be an issue if an officer stops me on the water and wants to take a look (they normally just ask for registration). |
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On Aug 7, 3:25*am, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:41:27 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter than CA. *In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears in the 70s as the hull number. *In AZ they said that isn't a hull number and I need to put one on my boat. *It is just a 12' aluminum jon boat. How would one go about attaching this number? Write it somewhere with a magic marker. If they argue, Show them the magic marker you used, which has the word "permanent" printed on the label. Sounds good to me, but for some reason I don't think that would fly. I did paint the registration numbers on though, and with red paint instead of black (boat is gray), instead of buying those decals everyone uses... so I'm already asking for trouble =] |
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On Aug 6, 6:20*pm, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: wrote the one metal punch kit I did see was only 3/16" http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=35121 Yah, this is most likely 1/4", although kind of missleading because it also says: "1/8" high characters include 26 letters "A-Z", "&" sign, and numbers "0-8" (turn the "6" upside down for the number "9") " Probably a typo, but could be that the tool is 1/4" round and the letters/numbers are only 1/8". They have some others too though, so I'm sure one of the others is probably more clear. I don't really like buying tools on-line. |
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On Aug 7, 1:49*pm, wrote:
On Aug 7, 3:25*am, wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:41:27 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter than CA. *In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears in the 70s as the hull number. *In AZ they said that isn't a hull number and I need to put one on my boat. *It is just a 12' aluminum jon boat. How would one go about attaching this number? Write it somewhere with a magic marker. If they argue, Show them the magic marker you used, which has the word "permanent" printed on the label. Sounds good to me, but for some reason I don't think that would fly. I did paint the registration numbers on though, and with red paint instead of black (boat is gray), instead of buying those decals everyone uses... so I'm already asking for trouble =] Please check salty's history before you listen to anything he says.. He likes to troll and is a boating poser, it's more of a social status thing, it's a long story.. Anyway, get the chunk of metal, stamp it in, and rivit it to the boat. I won't argue the reasoning, but they want it attached permanantly so they can better tell if you are using it on more than one boat.. Magic marker can be easily painted over.. A placard leaves signs of being moved or re-used.. I won't argue the reasoning, but that's just the way they see it, at least around here.. |
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On Aug 6, 6:30*pm, wrote:
Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..;)- The silly thing is, I could just take that same number and put it on 2 or 3 boats, since I'm making the number myself and attaching it, and there is no inspection of the process. Granted, I'd have to get some extra tags each year, or move those from boat to boat... and I'm not interested in cheating the system anyway (even if the fees are double what they where in CA). The motor vehicle department has a much better system... when I registered my homemade trailer, they attached a sticker with the number on it at the time of the inspection, before I got the registration/title. They made me sand it down to bare metal where they attached the sticker, and the sticker has a lot of special printing on it and is tamper proof, so not just a sticker I could easily recreate on a normal printer. |
Stamp, carve, engrave? Hull number
wrote in message ... On Aug 6, 6:30 pm, wrote: On Aug 6, 8:41 pm, wrote: I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter than CA. In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears in the 70s as the hull number. In AZ they said that isn't a hull number and I need to put one on my boat. It is just a 12' aluminum jon boat. How would one go about attaching this number? Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..;) Thanks, I was thinking about a thin metal plate, but had only thought about rivits.. and I have no experience with rivits so not sure how dificult that would be (especially if I just got a cheap-o tool and not something good). I hadn't thought about screws, I bet if I just used sheet metal screws and then grinded them or stripped the heck out of them (to the point you couldn't remove just by unscrewing) that should work. Plus, the inside part of where I'll be attaching the number has a 5/8" board on it (for clamping the motor/engine) so screws should work well. Also, I should mention that I already have my registration, so it isn't like some states (I imagine) where you have to have the numbers inspected prior to registration... so it really only will be an issue if an officer stops me on the water and wants to take a look (they normally just ask for registration). Take it by the police station and ask to borrow their engraver. Etch the numbers into the hull. |
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On Aug 7, 2:04*pm, wrote:
On Aug 6, 6:30*pm, wrote: Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..;)- The silly thing is, I could just take that same number and put it on 2 or 3 boats, since I'm making the number myself and attaching it, and there is no inspection of the process. *Granted, I'd have to get some extra tags each year, or move those from boat to boat... and I'm not interested in cheating the system anyway (even if the fees are double what they where in CA). The motor vehicle department has a much better system... when I registered my homemade trailer, they attached a sticker with the number on it at the time of the inspection, before I got the registration/title. *They made me sand it down to bare metal where they attached the sticker, and the sticker has a lot of special printing on it and is tamper proof, so not just a sticker I could easily recreate on a normal printer. You got it.. You could put it on several boats, but here and there you get stopped and checked for this and that.. If they see anything supicious or check the numbers etc. Good luck whichever way you go, just get that hull wet before the summer is over.. ;) |
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On Aug 7, 2:11*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Aug 6, 6:30 pm, wrote: On Aug 6, 8:41 pm, wrote: I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter than CA. In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears in the 70s as the hull number. In AZ they said that isn't a hull number and I need to put one on my boat. It is just a 12' aluminum jon boat. How would one go about attaching this number? Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..;) Thanks, I was thinking about a thin metal plate, but had only thought about rivits.. and I have no experience with rivits so not sure how dificult that would be (especially if I just got a cheap-o tool and not something good). *I hadn't thought about screws, I bet if I just used sheet metal screws and then grinded them or stripped the heck out of them (to the point you couldn't remove just by unscrewing) that should work. *Plus, the inside part of where I'll be attaching the number has a 5/8" board on it (for clamping the motor/engine) so screws should work well. They make screws with special heads that can only be turned in one direction (in) with normal tools.. I have seen them in public buildings for railings and signage.. Pobably get them at any hardware store.. Also iirc a DEP guy told me once that grinding the slot off of a screw after installation would pass muster.. Also, I should mention that I already have my registration, so it isn't like some states (I imagine) where you have to have the numbers inspected prior to registration... so it really only will be an issue if an officer stops me on the water and wants to take a look (they normally just ask for registration). It only takes a turn of his head to see if the plate is there.. Most jurisdictions are pretty specific as to where they can be put.. but always in plain sight... Take it by the police station and ask to borrow their engraver. *Etch the numbers into the hull. Again, easier to paint over than a plack, I could be wrong here so you could ask your locals, but I don't think they want that.. Again, on that point don't take my word for it.. |
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Probably a typo, but could be that the tool is 1/4" round and the letters/numbers are only 1/8". They have some others too though, so I'm sure one of the others is probably more clear. The tool would be square, as that is better and not especially more expensive. All the ones I have ever seen were square. Casady |
Stamp, carve, engrave? Hull number
wrote in message ... On Aug 6, 6:30 pm, wrote: On Aug 6, 8:41 pm, wrote: I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter than CA. In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears in the 70s as the hull number. In AZ they said that isn't a hull number and I need to put one on my boat. It is just a 12' aluminum jon boat. How would one go about attaching this number? Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..;) Thanks, I was thinking about a thin metal plate, but had only thought about rivits.. and I have no experience with rivits so not sure how dificult that would be (especially if I just got a cheap-o tool and not something good). I hadn't thought about screws, I bet if I just used sheet metal screws and then grinded them or stripped the heck out of them (to the point you couldn't remove just by unscrewing) that should work. Plus, the inside part of where I'll be attaching the number has a 5/8" board on it (for clamping the motor/engine) so screws should work well. Also, I should mention that I already have my registration, so it isn't like some states (I imagine) where you have to have the numbers inspected prior to registration... so it really only will be an issue if an officer stops me on the water and wants to take a look (they normally just ask for registration). If you lived up here, all you'd have to do is keep the outboard size under 10hp. No licencing or registering required. |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:11:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote: You got it.. You could put it on several boats, but here and there you get stopped and checked for this and that.. If they see anything supicious or check the numbers etc. Good luck whichever way you go, just get that hull wet before the summer is over.. ;) Do the water cops ever check the reg numbers? Reason I ask is here in Illinois you renew your car sticker every year. The sticker is a couple inches long and a 1/2 inch wide. Gets stuck on the plate. The cops look at that, because I got stopped once after forgetting to put the new sticker on. The only thing readable without getting real close is month and year of expiration. There's a very tiny serial number but the average cop would need a magnifier to read it. Couple weeks ago my kid noticed his sticker was missing. Some lame-ass had actually peeled it off, leaving a corner behind, probably to stick it on his own expired plate. If he gets stopped and the cop runs the plate, it'll probably be flagged as expired, but I don't know for sure. Cost the kid 20 bucks for a replacement sticker. They should go back to new plates every year, which is job creation for the convicts. --Vic If they're like the stickers used here Florida they are self-destructing if they are removed. Now maybe some bad guys know some secret how to get them without destroying them. |
Stamp, carve, engrave? Hull number
wrote in message ... On Aug 6, 6:30 pm, wrote: Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..;)- The silly thing is, I could just take that same number and put it on 2 or 3 boats, since I'm making the number myself and attaching it, and there is no inspection of the process. Granted, I'd have to get some extra tags each year, or move those from boat to boat... and I'm not interested in cheating the system anyway (even if the fees are double what they where in CA). The motor vehicle department has a much better system... when I registered my homemade trailer, they attached a sticker with the number on it at the time of the inspection, before I got the registration/title. They made me sand it down to bare metal where they attached the sticker, and the sticker has a lot of special printing on it and is tamper proof, so not just a sticker I could easily recreate on a normal printer. Years ago, when I did a homebuilt car carrier. The DMV here in Calif, stamped the numbers into the frame. My boat trailer has a sticker and is almost impossible to read anymore. |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:11:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote: You got it.. You could put it on several boats, but here and there you get stopped and checked for this and that.. If they see anything supicious or check the numbers etc. Good luck whichever way you go, just get that hull wet before the summer is over.. ;) Do the water cops ever check the reg numbers? Reason I ask is here in Illinois you renew your car sticker every year. The sticker is a couple inches long and a 1/2 inch wide. Gets stuck on the plate. The cops look at that, because I got stopped once after forgetting to put the new sticker on. The only thing readable without getting real close is month and year of expiration. There's a very tiny serial number but the average cop would need a magnifier to read it. Couple weeks ago my kid noticed his sticker was missing. Some lame-ass had actually peeled it off, leaving a corner behind, probably to stick it on his own expired plate. If he gets stopped and the cop runs the plate, it'll probably be flagged as expired, but I don't know for sure. Cost the kid 20 bucks for a replacement sticker. They should go back to new plates every year, which is job creation for the convicts. --Vic Is not uncommon for sticker theft here in Calif. Very expensive registration. $25 or so dollars plus 2% of the value of the vehicle. Bad thing about the sticker replacment. Cost. Couple years ago, I had to get a replacement license plate for the trailer. Get the plate and a new sticker. Costs $2 less than just getting a replacement sticker. |
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I don't really like buying tools on-line. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta..._stores.taf#AZ |
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