On Aug 9, 6:44*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

FWIW, I have a 2008 Toyota 4Runner. My book also says the max towing speed
is 45 mph because if swaying, etc. occur, 'loss of control may result'.

I tow a boat, and I tow a travel trailer. With the travel trailer I use a
weight distributing hitch. It is much heavier than the boat (an 18'er).

I have no problem pulling either at 60 mph, which is 'my' max towing speed.

Every have a panic stop? Going is not the problem.

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes, Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 9, 6:44*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

FWIW, I have a 2008 Toyota 4Runner. My book also says the max towing speed
is 45 mph because if swaying, etc. occur, 'loss of control may result'.

I tow a boat, and I tow a travel trailer. With the travel trailer I use a
weight distributing hitch. It is much heavier than the boat (an 18'er).

I have no problem pulling either at 60 mph, which is 'my' max towing speed.

Every have a panic stop? Going is not the problem.

No, I've not yet had a panic stop. The travel trailer has electric brakes,
but the boat trailer has none. I've made quick stops with both, but try
very hard to leave enough distance between myself and the vehicle in front
that I don't have to 'panic stop'. As a motorcyclist, I learned the 'two
second' rule for following. When towing I change that to a 'three second'
rule. It works well.

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes, Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!

On Aug 9, 9:28*am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:





On Aug 9, 6:44*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

FWIW, I have a 2008 Toyota 4Runner. My book also says the max towing speed
is 45 mph because if swaying, etc. occur, 'loss of control may result'..

I tow a boat, and I tow a travel trailer. With the travel trailer I use a
weight distributing hitch. It is much heavier than the boat (an 18'er)..

I have no problem pulling either at 60 mph, which is 'my' max towing speed.

Every have a panic stop? Going is not the problem.

No, I've not yet had a panic stop. The travel trailer has electric brakes,
but the boat trailer has none. I've made quick stops with both, but try
very hard to leave enough distance between myself and the vehicle in front
that I don't have to 'panic stop'. As a motorcyclist, I learned the 'two
second' rule for following. When towing I change that to a 'three second'
rule. It works well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yup, double it.. I learned that and knocked it into my kids heads when
I drove the CJ7 .. Double the distance of a passenger vehicle for
following. Again, I have never towed a heavy load, but I did drive
trucks for a few years.. 22 foot straight jobs.. Like I used to say,
Jeeps don't just flip, people flip em' On a side note I like the
sticker I saw on a Jeep a while back. It was written upside down on
the windshield it said. "If you can read this, turn me over please"

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do
to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.



Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do
to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.
Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.
I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.
There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.





"I think we are in rats' alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.

'What is that noise?'
The wind under the door.
'What is that noise now? What is the wind doing?'
Nothing again nothing."


From 'The Wasteland' by T.S. Eliot.














--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade,
Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you
do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his
stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.

I'm pretty sure WAFA won't see your point of view. They're your buddies; why
don't you ask them if they were binned and why they were binned. I've got to
admit, seeing the three of you swirling around in Chuck's toilet would give
me great pleasure.

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:10:12 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do
to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.


Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Harry, Jimh and you have been nothing
but angelic, both here and there. Hell, even here it's obvious from the
number of posts you three make that you're just 'observing'.

Your collective goal is obvious. But, you're not succeeding.

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:10:12 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade,
Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however,
cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you
do
to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there.
The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his
stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.


Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Harry, Jimh and you have been
nothing
but angelic, both here and there. Hell, even here it's obvious from the
number of posts you three make that you're just 'observing'.

Your collective goal is obvious. But, you're not succeeding.

Our goal was to improve this newsgroup and flush the contaminates out... and
yes, so far our success has been limited.