On Aug 4, 4:05*pm, "
wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."

Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?

There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.

I am confused.

The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.

The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.

Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Jay Chan

I have changed my mind. I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

On Aug 8, 12:25*pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05*pm, "
wrote:



I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."

Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?

There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.

I am confused.

The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.

The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.

Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Jay Chan

I have changed my mind. *I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. *I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. *They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). *This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. *This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). *I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Told ya. ;-)

JimH wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:25 pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:



I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
I have changed my mind. I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Told ya. ;-)

Considering your history of ignoring mfg'ers recommended maintenance
schedule it would be hard to imagine you telling him anything else.

By the way, did you print out Volvo's recommended maintenance schedule
so you will know which ones to ignore?

While Glastron doesn't set up the recommended maintenance schedule for
Volvo, they do provide all boat owners with a copy of the list. I would
have thought an experienced boat owner such as yourself would have known
that.

On Aug 8, 1:19*pm, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald P. Smithers
III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:25 pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:

I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
I have changed my mind. *I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. *I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. *They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). *This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. *This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). *I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Told ya. *;-)

Considering your history of ignoring mfg'ers recommended maintenance
schedule it would be hard to imagine you telling him anything else.

By the way, did you print out Volvo's recommended maintenance schedule
so you will know which ones to ignore?

While Glastron doesn't set up the recommended maintenance schedule for
Volvo, they do provide all boat owners with a copy of the list. *I would
have thought an experienced boat owner such as yourself would have known
that.

I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.

JimH wrote:


I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.

No, I don't think you did learn from your mistake. I was trying to help
you KNOW what is the recommended schedule instead of relying on others,
who may or may not KNOW what they are talking about. If you had a copy
of the Volvo manual, easily downloaded for free from Volvo, you would
not believe it when a mechanic tells you to use the wrong thermostat for
your engine, just because he has the incorrect one in stock.

I guess some people never learn from their mistakes, even though I do
try to help.

JimH wrote:

I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.





Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

JimH wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:25 pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:



I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
I have changed my mind. I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Told ya. ;-)


I wouldn't be concerned about being advised to tow no faster than 45 mph
behind a 4runner, tacoma or tundra. I think the highlander is a neat
vehicle, but I like the 4runner better for several reasons, one of which
being that it has a separate frame instead of unibody construction.

--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

wrote in message
...
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."

Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?

There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.

I am confused.

The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.

The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.

Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Jay Chan

I have changed my mind. I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Says the same thing on Uhaul trailers.

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

FWIW, I have a 2008 Toyota 4Runner. My book also says the max towing speed
is 45 mph because if swaying, etc. occur, 'loss of control may result'.

I tow a boat, and I tow a travel trailer. With the travel trailer I use a
weight distributing hitch. It is much heavier than the boat (an 18'er).

I have no problem pulling either at 60 mph, which is 'my' max towing speed.

On Aug 9, 6:44*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

FWIW, I have a 2008 Toyota 4Runner. My book also says the max towing speed
is 45 mph because if swaying, etc. occur, 'loss of control may result'.

I tow a boat, and I tow a travel trailer. With the travel trailer I use a
weight distributing hitch. It is much heavier than the boat (an 18'er).

I have no problem pulling either at 60 mph, which is 'my' max towing speed.

Every have a panic stop? Going is not the problem.