Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:30:15 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Speaking of towing, I think I have a trailer problem.

My youngest took the Ranger out today towing behind a Dodge 2500 4X4
with tow package and he said he had a hell of a time with the trailer.

Was it fishtailing at speed ? Braking problems ?

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

hk wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 5:30 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
We towed our 20 footer for 2 years using our Toyota Highlander. I
traveled at posted speed limits, including 65 mph with no problem.
Just make sure you lock out the transmission overdrive.
These words of wisdom from the guy who has spent more fixing his 20'
boat than it is worth. Most of the expense were the result of not
following the mfg';er simple maintenance recommendations, and thinking
the mechanic at his marina knows more than the mfg'er.
--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects

Another boating related thread going down the tubes thanks to Reggie.

BTW: The impellor replacement was not based on recommendations from
Glastron. More lies from you...why am I not surprised?


Reggie is a coward; there's no need to pay any attention to him.
He claimes he wins awards in imaginary photo contests. Last time I
played monopoly, I won second prize in a beauty contest. I suspect our
awards have the same validity.

Harry,
You wonder why no one wants to discuss anything that goes on in their
life. Whenever someone does, you accuse them of lying. While YOU do
live an imaginary Walter Mitty life, I am happy enough with what i have
that I don't need to make anything up. I would really like to own a
Nikon D3, so lets make a little wager. I will send Tom or Richard
(whoever you chose) a copy of the newsletter reviewing the
contest,winners along with my original RAW file, and a certified check
for $5,000. You send them a certified check for $5000. They will
verified that what I said was correct, that the Association is a large
photographic Association open to both amateurs and professional
photographers in Georgia. We will allow either one of them to decide
who wins the wager. No whining or crying from either of us.

I have made the same offer about my boat, and your Lobster Boat but you
prefer to back out of the offer. Are you now willing to take me up on
this little wager?

--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects

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Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Reggie is a coward; there's no need to pay any attention to him.
He claimes he wins awards in imaginary photo contests. Last time I played
monopoly, I won second prize in a beauty contest. I suspect our awards
have the same validity.

What's with Waylon quoting posts from years back at every opportunity?
Either he has a photographic memory, or he keeps files on everyone.



I really do have a good memory, it has been very helpful in both school
and business. I consider it a gift .

--
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grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:


BTW: The impellor replacement was not based on recommendations from
Glastron. More lies from you...why am I not surprised?

I think I can understand why you have problems following the mfg'ers
recommended procedures. Glastron mfg'er the boat, they did not mfg'er
the engine but they did provided the original owner with the scheduled
list of maintenance items. My guess is the original owner gave you this
info, but you decided it was not important. Since you obviously didn't
realize this here is a link to Volvo recommended maintenance schedule
where they recommend changing your impeller every 2 yrs or 200 hrs,
which ever comes first. No where did they suggest you follow your
expert mechanics suggestion that you don't need to change your impeller
until the water temp went "too" high.

Print this out and follow it, and your boat will spend less time at the
shop and we won't have to hear you win about all of your "bad luck".

http://tinyurl.com/6599ja

Jimbo,
Did you check out Volvo's recommended maintenance schedule? It will
save you a lot of money, and make it much easier than looking over
Glastron recommendation as to when to change the impeller.

A little wager for Harry
 

Harry wrote:

Reggie is a coward; there's no need to pay any attention to him.
He claimes he wins awards in imaginary photo contests. Last time I
played monopoly, I won second prize in a beauty contest. I suspect our
awards have the same validity.

Harry,
You wonder why no one wants to discuss anything that goes on in their
life. Whenever someone does, you accuse them of lying. While YOU do
live an imaginary Walter Mitty life, I am happy enough with what i have
that I don't need to make anything up. I would really like to own a
Nikon D3, so lets make a little wager. I will send Tom or Richard
(whoever you chose) a copy of the newsletter reviewing the
contest,winners along with my original RAW file, and a certified check
for $5,000. You send them a certified check for $5000. They will
verified that what I said was correct, that the Association is a large
photographic Association open to both amateurs and professional
photographers in Georgia. We will allow either one of them to decide
who wins the wager. No whining or crying from either of us.

I have made the same offer about my boat, and your Lobster Boat but you
prefer to back out of the offer. Are you now willing to take me up on
this little wager?

Or are you too much of an e-coward?

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote
in message . ..


I will send Tom or Richard (whoever you chose) a copy of the newsletter
reviewing the contest,winners along with my original RAW file, and a
certified check for $5,000. You send them a certified check for $5000.


Send Tom the newsletter and the RAW file.

Send me the checks.

Eisboch

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote
in message . ..


I will send Tom or Richard (whoever you chose) a copy of the newsletter
reviewing the contest,winners along with my original RAW file, and a
certified check for $5,000. You send them a certified check for $5000.


Send Tom the newsletter and the RAW file.

Send me the checks.

Eisboch



Ok,no problem. $5000 to you is pocket change, so I know it will be safe.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

"Don White" wrote in
:

What were they asking for a 2008 Toyota RAV4 with 4cyl and auto
We're still getting ripped off up here. Even though our money is
approx par...they still want thousands more than Consumer Reports says
they cost below the border.



Sorry, I didn't ask. My only question was how much did it take to fill it
with liquid rhodium. I wasn't interested in buying. As soon as he found
out I was a vegoil user all but one of the salesmen wanted me to go drive
my 300TD Turbocharged diesel wagon over so they could hear it run....

They don't make a diesel Toyota for the USA. How sad. The Tundra had a
5.7L V-8 "Top Fuel Eliminator" in it.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

"Don White" wrote in news:4897ab61$0$4017
:

Did you say you checked out the Volkswagen Jetta with the 100 hp diesel?
My sister has a wagon version TDI and seems happy with it.



Volkswagens caused me sticker shock. Once the price passes what I think a
new home is worth, I pretty much lose interest. God they're proud of
Volkswagens! They look at me funny when I tell them my first Beetle was
$1495 brand new!

I didn't see any Volkswagens, though. Those cars with Volkswagen stickers
on the outside were Audis, who gave America such a bad time I can
understand why they don't call them Audis any more......

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in news:4897ab61$0$4017
:

Did you say you checked out the Volkswagen Jetta with the 100 hp diesel?
My sister has a wagon version TDI and seems happy with it.



Volkswagens caused me sticker shock. Once the price passes what I think a
new home is worth, I pretty much lose interest. God they're proud of
Volkswagens! They look at me funny when I tell them my first Beetle was
$1495 brand new!

I didn't see any Volkswagens, though. Those cars with Volkswagen stickers
on the outside were Audis, who gave America such a bad time I can
understand why they don't call them Audis any more......


Certain models of the newer Audi's are nicely engineered. They
subcontracted some of the drivetrain and engine design to Porsche.

Eisboch

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 4, 5:34*pm, JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 5:30*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."





wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."

Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?

There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.

I am confused.

The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.

The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.

Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Jay Chan

We towed our 20 footer for 2 years using our Toyota Highlander. *I
traveled at posted speed limits, including 65 mph with no problem.
Just make sure you lock out the transmission overdrive.

These words of wisdom from the guy who has spent more fixing his 20'
boat than it is worth. *Most of the expense were the result of not
following the mfg';er simple maintenance recommendations, and thinking
the mechanic at his marina knows more than the mfg'er.
--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects

Another boating related thread going down the tubes thanks to Reggie.

BTW: *The impellor replacement was not based on recommendations from
Glastron. * More lies from you...why am I not surprised?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Of course not. Drive train maintenence recommendations would come from
their respective manufacturers, not the boat manufacturer.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 4, 5:52*pm, hk wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 5:30 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
We towed our 20 footer for 2 years using our Toyota Highlander. *I
traveled at posted speed limits, including 65 mph with no problem.
Just make sure you lock out the transmission overdrive.
These words of wisdom from the guy who has spent more fixing his 20'
boat than it is worth. *Most of the expense were the result of not
following the mfg';er simple maintenance recommendations, and thinking
the mechanic at his marina knows more than the mfg'er.
--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects

Another boating related thread going down the tubes thanks to Reggie.

BTW: *The impellor replacement was not based on recommendations from
Glastron. * More lies from you...why am I not surprised?

Reggie is a coward; there's no need to pay any attention to him.
He claimes he wins awards in imaginary photo contests. Last time I
played monopoly, I won second prize in a beauty contest. I suspect our
awards have the same validity.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's SO cute to see Harry so jealous of someone's abilities! This from
the guy who posted a picture that he stole from a pro. Just another of
his many many lies.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 5, 9:01*am, wrote:
On Aug 4, 5:52*pm, hk wrote:





JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 5:30 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
We towed our 20 footer for 2 years using our Toyota Highlander. *I
traveled at posted speed limits, including 65 mph with no problem.
Just make sure you lock out the transmission overdrive.
These words of wisdom from the guy who has spent more fixing his 20'
boat than it is worth. *Most of the expense were the result of not
following the mfg';er simple maintenance recommendations, and thinking
the mechanic at his marina knows more than the mfg'er.
--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects

Another boating related thread going down the tubes thanks to Reggie.

BTW: *The impellor replacement was not based on recommendations from
Glastron. * More lies from you...why am I not surprised?

Reggie is a coward; there's no need to pay any attention to him.
He claimes he wins awards in imaginary photo contests. Last time I
played monopoly, I won second prize in a beauty contest. I suspect our
awards have the same validity.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's SO cute to see Harry so jealous of someone's abilities! This from
the guy who posted a picture that he stole from a pro. Just another of
his many many lies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Wafa won't take any bet, he is
not a stand up kind of guy. We have seen he photography, it's about as
thought out as the first tie we gave the Mouse a camera to play with
at age 4, and of course, he never tells the truth about anything..
time to pass him by..

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 5, 9:12*am, wrote:
On Aug 5, 9:01*am, wrote:





On Aug 4, 5:52*pm, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 5:30 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old).. I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
We towed our 20 footer for 2 years using our Toyota Highlander. *I
traveled at posted speed limits, including 65 mph with no problem..
Just make sure you lock out the transmission overdrive.
These words of wisdom from the guy who has spent more fixing his 20'
boat than it is worth. *Most of the expense were the result of not
following the mfg';er simple maintenance recommendations, and thinking
the mechanic at his marina knows more than the mfg'er.
--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects

Another boating related thread going down the tubes thanks to Reggie.

BTW: *The impellor replacement was not based on recommendations from
Glastron. * More lies from you...why am I not surprised?

Reggie is a coward; there's no need to pay any attention to him.
He claimes he wins awards in imaginary photo contests. Last time I
played monopoly, I won second prize in a beauty contest. I suspect our
awards have the same validity.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's SO cute to see Harry so jealous of someone's abilities! This from
the guy who posted a picture that he stole from a pro. Just another of
his many many lies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Wafa won't take any bet, he is
not a stand up kind of guy. We have seen he photography, it's about as
thought out as the first tie we gave the Mouse a camera to play with
at age 4, and of course, he never tells the truth about anything..
time to pass him by..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He'll make a bet, he just won't live up to it because he's a low life
weasel.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 4, 4:10*pm, wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05*pm, "
wrote:





I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."

Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?

There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.

I am confused.

The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.

The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.

Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Jay Chan

If you are hoping for someone here to tell you to ignore the
manufacturers reccomendations, you have probably come to the wrong
place;) *If they say tow at 45, and you can't tow at 45, it's the
wrong tool for the job, period..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for the straight talk. I was hoping that adding an anti-sway-
bar into a Highlander will allow me to drive more than 45 MPH when
towing. You are right. If the anti-sway-bar was a solution, Toyota
could have stated it in their owner manual. There is no point of
doing thing against the manufacturer's recommendation.

I am a bit disappointed. On the other hand, I am actually also
feeling a bit happy about this turn of event because I have been
trying to talk myself out of the Highlander because my wife told me
that the 2008 model has the same engine as a "Lady Lexus SUV RX-350"
that rich housewives love :)

I have crossed Highlander off from the top of my list. Now, I only
consider either PathFinder (mid size SUV) or Titan (full size pickup)
or GMC Sierra (full size pickup).

Jay Chan

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 4, 6:27*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

I think Toyota is covering their backside from possible legal issues.
Do they offer a "trailer towing package" as an option that will permit
full highway speeds? *If so, that's what you want. *If not, why not
consider a crew-cab Toyota Tundra with a rear cap? *It's about the
same price, will carry almost as many people, a lot more
luggage/cargo, and will pull your trailer with ease at any speed you'd
care to drive.

Toyota offers a towing-prep option for their Highlander. But that
doesn't seem to affect the 45 MPH towing speed limit based on how I
read their owner manual.

Toyota Tundra is a really lovely pickup truck. I have sit in one of
their Crew Cab model in a show room, and the leg room in its rear seat
is HUGE -- as big as the leg room in the front row seat of many cars.
It can carry at most 6 persons with enough leg room for every one (on
the other hand, the third row in Highlander is kind of tight, and we
need to have our knees at my chest to sit on the third row in a
4Runner). Therefore, I was very interested. But its fuel economy is
the worst among the 3 of the full size pickups that I have reviewed
(may be it is heavier than others (not sure)), and its cash rebate is
either low or none (I don't remember) as comparing to other offers. I
figure that it is probably overkill for towing my boat. Thanks for
the suggestion though.

As mentioned in another reply, I have decided to drop Highlander from
the list. I will consider Nissan Titan, Nissan PathFinder, or GMC
Sierra, and in this order.

Jay Chan

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 4, 8:28*pm, Larry wrote:
" wrote in news:73167aaf-58be-
:

2008 Toyota Highlander

Too bad you weren't at the exit door of Home Depot hardware store, today. *
The local Toyota dealer had 7 people there trying to make the best of an
awful market dumping their overstock of Tundras, Highlanders and the
smaller SUV noone wanted.

I asked one when I could stop by and pick up my 3 cylinder Smart-sized
microcar. *He didn't like that question....

Not surprising. Toyota is not very aggressive in offering cash rebate
like other car companies. They are only offering $1,000 rebate for
Highlander when Nissan is offereing $2,500 for PathFinder, and $5,000
for Titan. GMC also offers $5,000 for their Sierra. But when I went
to their dealership to look for Sierra, they had sold out all of their
pickup trucks. This means despite the economy condition, some people
are still buying; but they only buy from companies that offer large
cash rebate.

For the record, Toyota is also offering $2,500 for their aging 4Runner
SUV; I don't consider it because its third row seat is painfully
tight.

Jay Chan

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 6, 12:28*pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:10*pm, wrote:





On Aug 4, 4:05*pm, "
wrote:

I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."

Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?

There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.

I am confused.

The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.

The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.

Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Jay Chan

If you are hoping for someone here to tell you to ignore the
manufacturers reccomendations, you have probably come to the wrong
place;) *If they say tow at 45, and you can't tow at 45, it's the
wrong tool for the job, period..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for the straight talk. *I was hoping that adding an anti-sway-
bar into a Highlander will allow me to drive more than 45 MPH when
towing. *You are right. *If the anti-sway-bar was a solution, Toyota
could have stated it in their owner manual. *There is no point of
doing thing against the manufacturer's recommendation.

I am a bit disappointed. *On the other hand, I am actually also
feeling a bit happy about this turn of event because I have been
trying to talk myself out of the Highlander because my wife told me
that the 2008 model has the same engine as a "Lady Lexus SUV RX-350"
that rich housewives love :)

I have crossed Highlander off from the top of my list. *Now, I only
consider either PathFinder (mid size SUV) or Titan (full size pickup)
or GMC Sierra (full size pickup).

Jay Chan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I was really working on what we had for info.. I would however
note that Wayne, Dick (Eisboch), and Shortwave among others have
waaaay more experience towing and with trucks.. I would defer to the
likes of them in a heartbeat, no matter what I say.... I have not
towed large loads with trucks, they have... I am just a tool guy..;)

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 4, 4:05*pm, "
wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."

Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?

There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.

I am confused.

The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.

The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.

Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Jay Chan

I have changed my mind. I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 8, 12:25*pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05*pm, "
wrote:



I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."

Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?

There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.

I am confused.

The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.

The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.

Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.

Jay Chan

I have changed my mind. *I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. *I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. *They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). *This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. *This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). *I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Told ya. ;-)

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

JimH wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:25 pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:



I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
I have changed my mind. I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Told ya. ;-)

Considering your history of ignoring mfg'ers recommended maintenance
schedule it would be hard to imagine you telling him anything else.

By the way, did you print out Volvo's recommended maintenance schedule
so you will know which ones to ignore?

While Glastron doesn't set up the recommended maintenance schedule for
Volvo, they do provide all boat owners with a copy of the list. I would
have thought an experienced boat owner such as yourself would have known
that.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

JimH wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:25 pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:



I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
I have changed my mind. I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Told ya. ;-)


I wouldn't be concerned about being advised to tow no faster than 45 mph
behind a 4runner, tacoma or tundra. I think the highlander is a neat
vehicle, but I like the 4runner better for several reasons, one of which
being that it has a separate frame instead of unibody construction.

--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 8, 1:19*pm, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald P. Smithers
III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:25 pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 4, 4:05 pm, "
wrote:

I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.
I believe this restriction may have something to do with avoiding
swaying. According to the owner manual of my old PathFinder, it
recommends to use "sway control device" if I use it to tow anything
over 2,000 pounds. The total weight of my boat and trailer is close to
3,000 pounds. I am wondering may be the same recommendation is also
applicable for Toyota Highlander: Can I drive above 45 MPH with
Highlander if I equip it with anti-sway bar? Please note that
Highlander owner manual doesn't suggest or recommend the user of sway
control device; it is sounding like "Don't go above 45 MPH when
towing, period."
Is this 45 MPH limit a definite thing? Or is it more like a lawyer
talk?
There are several posts in the net from Highlander owners saying that
they didn't have any problem towing at 60 MPH. There was trailerboat
magazine article did road test on Highlander in towing a 4,020 pounds
boat/trailer combo, and it didn't say anything about the 45 MPH limit
or any swaying problem during towing; actually the author was driving
it at 55 MPH with a boat behind it; the only negative thing that the
author expressed had to do with towing the boat up a steepest hill at
55 MPH requiring the engine to spin at 4000 rpm (the heavy 4,020
pounds may have something to do with this). The article didn't say
anything about sway control device either. Doesn't sound like negative
real world towing experience to me.
I am confused.
The other alternative is to get a new PathFinder and add the
recommended "sway control device". Then, I am not better off or worse
off than what I have now.
The other alternative is to get a full size truck such as GMC Sierra
or Nissan Titan. According to Nissan Titan owner manual, it doesn't
have this 45 MPH restriction, and the "sway control device" is an
optional "nice to have" item. But I am afraid that it is an overkill
for my 3,000 pounds boat/trailer combo, and its fuel economy will be
worse than what I have now.
Any idea about that 45 MPH limit of Highlander? Is a Nissan PathFinder
a better choice?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Jay Chan
I have changed my mind. *I believe that the Highlander 45 mph limit
for towing is just "lawyer talk" to limit any potential liability. *I
have found PDF versions of the owner manual of Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma,
and Tundra. *They all say to limit to 45 mph while towing (saying this
has something to do with avoiding swaying). *This just doesn't make
sense considering the fact that Toyota Tundra is a heavy full size
pick up truck; I just cannot imagine people will drive at 45 mph or
lower in highway while using a Tundra to towing a boat. *This surely
sounds like Toyota is just trying to limit their legal liability.

I didn't notice this when I was looking for the reference of 45 mph in
an interactive owner manual for Tundra (called iGuide). *I only find
this when I read the PDF version.

With this said, I put Highlander back to the top of my list.

Jay Chan

Told ya. *;-)

Considering your history of ignoring mfg'ers recommended maintenance
schedule it would be hard to imagine you telling him anything else.

By the way, did you print out Volvo's recommended maintenance schedule
so you will know which ones to ignore?

While Glastron doesn't set up the recommended maintenance schedule for
Volvo, they do provide all boat owners with a copy of the list. *I would
have thought an experienced boat owner such as yourself would have known
that.

I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

JimH wrote:


I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.

No, I don't think you did learn from your mistake. I was trying to help
you KNOW what is the recommended schedule instead of relying on others,
who may or may not KNOW what they are talking about. If you had a copy
of the Volvo manual, easily downloaded for free from Volvo, you would
not believe it when a mechanic tells you to use the wrong thermostat for
your engine, just because he has the incorrect one in stock.

I guess some people never learn from their mistakes, even though I do
try to help.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

JimH wrote:

I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.





Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:

I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.





Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do
to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

WAFA the balsy coward calling someone else a coward. Now that's rich. Tell
us again how you outsmarted the draft board, Harry.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

hk wrote:
JimH wrote:

I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.





Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Harry, do you disagree with my recommendation that one should have the
engine mfg'ers recommended schedule and you follow the recommended
schedule? If you really had JimH's best interest at heart, you would at
least email him to let him know you agree with me.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

FWIW, I have a 2008 Toyota 4Runner. My book also says the max towing speed
is 45 mph because if swaying, etc. occur, 'loss of control may result'.

I tow a boat, and I tow a travel trailer. With the travel trailer I use a
weight distributing hitch. It is much heavier than the boat (an 18'er).

I have no problem pulling either at 60 mph, which is 'my' max towing speed.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:

I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.





Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes, Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 9, 6:44*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

FWIW, I have a 2008 Toyota 4Runner. My book also says the max towing speed
is 45 mph because if swaying, etc. occur, 'loss of control may result'.

I tow a boat, and I tow a travel trailer. With the travel trailer I use a
weight distributing hitch. It is much heavier than the boat (an 18'er).

I have no problem pulling either at 60 mph, which is 'my' max towing speed.

Every have a panic stop? Going is not the problem.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes, Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 9, 6:44*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

FWIW, I have a 2008 Toyota 4Runner. My book also says the max towing speed
is 45 mph because if swaying, etc. occur, 'loss of control may result'.

I tow a boat, and I tow a travel trailer. With the travel trailer I use a
weight distributing hitch. It is much heavier than the boat (an 18'er).

I have no problem pulling either at 60 mph, which is 'my' max towing speed.

Every have a panic stop? Going is not the problem.

No, I've not yet had a panic stop. The travel trailer has electric brakes,
but the boat trailer has none. I've made quick stops with both, but try
very hard to leave enough distance between myself and the vehicle in front
that I don't have to 'panic stop'. As a motorcyclist, I learned the 'two
second' rule for following. When towing I change that to a 'three second'
rule. It works well.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes, Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat?
 

On Aug 9, 9:28*am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:





On Aug 9, 6:44*am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
I need to buy a new car to replace my PathFinder (it is too old). I am
considering many difference choices. The top one on my short list is
2008 Toyota Highlander. This new model can tow 5,000 pounds. More
importantly it has great fuel efficiency (17 City / 24 Hwy). However,
according to the owner manual PDF file available online, this car
should only drive no more than 45 MPH if it is towing thing. The owner
manual doesn't say if it is applicable to a certain towing weight or
above. Seem like it is across the board regardless how much towing
weight involved. This makes me worry because 45 MPH is too slow a
driving speed on a highway. I am hoping to be at least 50 or 55 MPH.

FWIW, I have a 2008 Toyota 4Runner. My book also says the max towing speed
is 45 mph because if swaying, etc. occur, 'loss of control may result'..

I tow a boat, and I tow a travel trailer. With the travel trailer I use a
weight distributing hitch. It is much heavier than the boat (an 18'er)..

I have no problem pulling either at 60 mph, which is 'my' max towing speed.

Every have a panic stop? Going is not the problem.

No, I've not yet had a panic stop. The travel trailer has electric brakes,
but the boat trailer has none. I've made quick stops with both, but try
very hard to leave enough distance between myself and the vehicle in front
that I don't have to 'panic stop'. As a motorcyclist, I learned the 'two
second' rule for following. When towing I change that to a 'three second'
rule. It works well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yup, double it.. I learned that and knocked it into my kids heads when
I drove the CJ7 .. Double the distance of a passenger vehicle for
following. Again, I have never towed a heavy load, but I did drive
trucks for a few years.. 22 foot straight jobs.. Like I used to say,
Jeeps don't just flip, people flip em' ;) On a side note I like the
sticker I saw on a Jeep a while back. It was written upside down on
the windshield it said. "If you can read this, turn me over please";)

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do
to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.



Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do
to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.
Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.
I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.
There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.





"I think we are in rats' alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.

'What is that noise?'
The wind under the door.
'What is that noise now? What is the wind doing?'
Nothing again nothing."


From 'The Wasteland' by T.S. Eliot.














--
Republicans - They Take Special Pride in their Ignorance.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade,
Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you
do to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his
stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.

I'm pretty sure WAFA won't see your point of view. They're your buddies; why
don't you ask them if they were binned and why they were binned. I've got to
admit, seeing the three of you swirling around in Chuck's toilet would give
me great pleasure.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:10:12 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade, Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however, cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you do
to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there. The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.


Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Harry, Jimh and you have been nothing
but angelic, both here and there. Hell, even here it's obvious from the
number of posts you three make that you're just 'observing'.

Your collective goal is obvious. But, you're not succeeding.

Use 2008 Toyota Highlander to Tow a Fiberglass Boat? (attn JimH)
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:10:12 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:11:19 -0400, "Sir Grand Duke of Marmalade,
Reginald
P. Smithers III The Great, Esq. LLC" wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:08:05 -0400, hk wrote:

JimH wrote:
I did not ignore anything. I relied on a mechanic who gave me bad
advice. I no longer use that mechanic or dock my boat there.

Mistake made. I learned from it and moved on. You, however,
cannot
do the same....a common flaw in the personalities of trolls.




Jim...you realize, I hope, that when you respond here in any way to
Reggie's and ****ty posts, you are doing precisely what he wants you
do
to.

You owe him nothing. Put him in your bozo bin and leave him there.
The
****head has absolutely no interest in boats or boating, but only in
seeing how much he can provoke, here or at Chuck's.

He's just a cowardly turd...and when you engage him, some of his
stench
rubs off on you.

Flush him...and leave him there.

Jimh, the man has spoken. Don't **** him off. Remember, if he goes,
Donnie
goes.

I'm telling you this only because you're such a nice guy.

I wonder if Harry sends Donnie a list of talking points and "acceptable"
people daily or weekly?

I used to love it when Donnie called JimH, Rev Jim. I think he was
referring to the character in Taxi.

There's no doubt in my simple mind. Too many 'slips' have given the game
away. Isn't it strange how they all stopped posting at Chuck's place at
the
same time?

"There are about five of us just watching..." (or words to that effect)

No collusion there!


From my point of view...I saw how your dwarfs manipulated the situation
until Harry & JimH may have found themselves 'binned'.
(jury is still out on whether JimH was actually binned)
No way was I going to give the simple minded the pleasure of seeing all
three of us in the penalty box.


Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Harry, Jimh and you have been
nothing
but angelic, both here and there. Hell, even here it's obvious from the
number of posts you three make that you're just 'observing'.

Your collective goal is obvious. But, you're not succeeding.

Our goal was to improve this newsgroup and flush the contaminates out... and
yes, so far our success has been limited.