GM loses big-time
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
hk wrote in news:2JudnbY7
:

General Motors Corp. (GM) posted a stunning $15.5 billion second-
quarter
net loss,

They should have told their dealers tough **** when the dealers
complained that the EV-1 was too reliable to be profitable for their
service departments. But, alas, they crushed them all, rather than give
America its first working electric car in 70 years that the people they
loaned them out to just loved. They loved them so much they followed
the repo crews around and found the storage lot their previous cars were
sent to until the salvage yards could crush them, after removing the
batteries.

This stupid company gets all it deserves. When my father died, I
inherited a 1996 Chevy Caprice Classic barge. Every time you tried to
put down the electric windows, something happened. The 30A breaker in
the panel would trip at times after a blink of all the lights and engine
computer reset. I traced that to a cut in the insulation of the HOOKUP
WIRE the damned car was completely wired with. HOOKUP WIRE! I had no
wiring harness and looked like it was wired by some kids building pedal
carts in dad's garage! The wires were simply wrapped in vinyl electric
tape, loosely, and laid against the sharp, BARE, UNPAINTED metal edges
the doors and anyplace the customer couldn't readily see, was made of.
The cheap thermoplastic simply wore through and shorted the circuit to
ground.

TWO other times, the windows simply fell out of their tracks into the
bottom of the door. Taking the doors apart revealed the scissors jacks
the windows ran up and down on, that looked like those punching jokes
out of an old movie, probably where GM's "engineers" got the idea in
1947, were made with plastic parts that MELTED IN THE PARKING LOT!
Nylon costs too much money to put in the flagship of the Chevy fleet.
We used cheap thermoplastic that melts around 150F. I emailed GM hoping
there was some kind of update parts made of nylon or better stuff. I
have the GM email which said:

"Dear Mr. Butler,

Thank you for contacting the Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center. We
appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to your 1996
vehicle.

I'm sorry that the runners are warping and your windows are falling out.
If replacing your vehicle is not an option, I suggest keeping it shaded.

Try parking under cover or in the shade as much as possible. You may
want
to invest in a cover for your vehicle to prevent direct exposure to the
sun.

If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this
message or call our Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center at
1-800-222-1020. Customer Relationship Specialists are available Monday
through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Eastern Time.

Again, thank you for contacting Chevrolet.

Sincerely,

The Chevrolet Consumer Support Team"

This is the EXACT text of the stored email on my hard drive. I kid you
not, they wanted me to PARK IT IN THE SHADE!

I hope GM goes completely bankrupt and Toyota, or some Japanese company
with more sane people running it, takes over the plants to build TINY
cars that get 80mpg and TINY trucks testosterone-charged American males
are going to have to learn to live with, now that they've come to the
realization they can no longer afford to drive those Chevy penis
extension pickups with the 500hp engines to the shop for constant
repairs.

GM can kiss my ass......(c;




Well, there goes another happy customer.

"Hook-up" wire? No wiring harnesses? Come on Larry. Fess up. Who
"re-wired" your car?

Eisboch

GM loses big-time
 

Larry wrote:
hk wrote in news:2JudnbY7
:

General Motors Corp. (GM) posted a stunning $15.5 billion second-
quarter
net loss,

They should have told their dealers tough **** when the dealers
complained that the EV-1 was too reliable to be profitable for their
service departments. But, alas, they crushed them all, rather than give
America its first working electric car in 70 years that the people they
loaned them out to just loved. They loved them so much they followed
the repo crews around and found the storage lot their previous cars were
sent to until the salvage yards could crush them, after removing the
batteries.

This stupid company gets all it deserves. When my father died, I
inherited a 1996 Chevy Caprice Classic barge. Every time you tried to
put down the electric windows, something happened. The 30A breaker in
the panel would trip at times after a blink of all the lights and engine
computer reset. I traced that to a cut in the insulation of the HOOKUP
WIRE the damned car was completely wired with. HOOKUP WIRE! I had no
wiring harness and looked like it was wired by some kids building pedal
carts in dad's garage! The wires were simply wrapped in vinyl electric
tape, loosely, and laid against the sharp, BARE, UNPAINTED metal edges
the doors and anyplace the customer couldn't readily see, was made of.
The cheap thermoplastic simply wore through and shorted the circuit to
ground.

TWO other times, the windows simply fell out of their tracks into the
bottom of the door. Taking the doors apart revealed the scissors jacks
the windows ran up and down on, that looked like those punching jokes
out of an old movie, probably where GM's "engineers" got the idea in
1947, were made with plastic parts that MELTED IN THE PARKING LOT!
Nylon costs too much money to put in the flagship of the Chevy fleet.
We used cheap thermoplastic that melts around 150F. I emailed GM hoping
there was some kind of update parts made of nylon or better stuff. I
have the GM email which said:

"Dear Mr. Butler,

Thank you for contacting the Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center. We
appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to your 1996
vehicle.

I'm sorry that the runners are warping and your windows are falling out.
If replacing your vehicle is not an option, I suggest keeping it shaded.

Try parking under cover or in the shade as much as possible. You may
want
to invest in a cover for your vehicle to prevent direct exposure to the
sun.

If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this
message or call our Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center at
1-800-222-1020. Customer Relationship Specialists are available Monday
through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Eastern Time.

Again, thank you for contacting Chevrolet.

Sincerely,

The Chevrolet Consumer Support Team"

This is the EXACT text of the stored email on my hard drive. I kid you
not, they wanted me to PARK IT IN THE SHADE!

I hope GM goes completely bankrupt and Toyota, or some Japanese company
with more sane people running it, takes over the plants to build TINY
cars that get 80mpg and TINY trucks testosterone-charged American males
are going to have to learn to live with, now that they've come to the
realization they can no longer afford to drive those Chevy penis
extension pickups with the 500hp engines to the shop for constant
repairs.

GM can kiss my ass......(c;




Interesting. BTW, the problems you've outlined here are the result of
"management" decisions, not the decisions of the guys on the assembly
line. If you've ever been in a major league auto plant, you'd know that
*all* decisions are made by supervisors, not the work force. So, using
plastic instead of nylon was a management decision, and not insulting
the wires properly was a management decision.

In contrast, I just a message indicating a nylon/stainless clamp on my
Japanese outboard "might" fail, and there is now an all-stainless steel
clamp available that will be fitted the motor at my next service visit
at no cost to me. The clamp isn't even related to anything critical.

Apparently the management at Yamaha is a bit more attuned to customers
than to paying that 25-cent quarterly dividend. Oh...I'm not claiming
that the Japanese outboards are "flawless," nor are the companies that
produce them.

GM loses big-time
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote

I guess Harry just enjoys seeing others hurt.


I sincerely don't think Harry wants anybody hurt.

He's in warm-up mode for November. Happens every four years.

Eisboch

Reggie is an idiot. I don't "relish" GM's bad news. It means more bad news
for its remaining workforce.

Thank god the Bush-GOP plan to "privatize" social security so individuals
could invest in the flim-flam game called the stock market
got nowhere.


Thank God most people realize they can't rely on social security alone in
their retirement.

Eisboch



Yeah, well that wasn't the point, was it...

GM loses big-time
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


I *love* it. It tells me Wal-Mart is scared.



Wal-Mart is among the most exploitative major employers in the United
States. The so-called "health insurance" it "offers" its employees is a
fraud. It is a major violator of wage-hour laws. It is the major seller of
crap ChiComm products in the USA.




It seems to me that Wal-Mart has a specific goal to remain a low-cost outlet
for limited income families and/or those that like to pinch pennys when
buying basic necessities. In your quote you left out the part whereby by
unionizing, Wal-Mart would need to raise prices and lay off employees.

Why not let the public chose where they want to shop and work?

Eisboch

GM loses big-time
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote

I guess Harry just enjoys seeing others hurt.


I sincerely don't think Harry wants anybody hurt.

He's in warm-up mode for November. Happens every four years.

Eisboch

Reggie is an idiot. I don't "relish" GM's bad news. It means more bad
news for its remaining workforce.

Thank god the Bush-GOP plan to "privatize" social security so
individuals could invest in the flim-flam game called the stock market
got nowhere.


Thank God most people realize they can't rely on social security alone
in their retirement.

Eisboch


Yeah, well that wasn't the point, was it...


Oh...and it's not that all corporations are bad all the time.

While HP's telephone customer service for its comsumer products now
sucks (it's been moved offshore and the phones are answered by
automatons who can only read off a script), there still are a few
thinking people employed at the company.

One of my cats has decided the top of my little HP color laser printer
is the best place to nap. The output tray at the rear of the machine
apparently was annoying him, so he bounced on it until he broke it off.

I sent an email to HP (I knew better than to call), and got a response
that a new tray was being sent to me gratis, but that I would have to
pay the $7 shipping charge. More than fair. They want a photo of the
cat, too.

GM loses big-time
 

On Aug 1, 9:20*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote
in messagenews:SdCdnTQC6JDYkw7VnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comca st.com...



I am trying to figure out why Harry is relishing the fact that any company
is having a downturn.

It has a negative impact on individuals who have stock in the company,
retirees who depend on dividends for part of their income,
*it has a negative impact on the employees and the local and/or national
economy.

I guess Harry just enjoys seeing others hurt.

I sincerely don't think Harry wants anybody hurt.


Yes he does! He's wished injury or death on several people here.

GM loses big-time
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

I *love* it. It tells me Wal-Mart is scared.



Wal-Mart is among the most exploitative major employers in the United
States. The so-called "health insurance" it "offers" its employees is a
fraud. It is a major violator of wage-hour laws. It is the major seller of
crap ChiComm products in the USA.




It seems to me that Wal-Mart has a specific goal to remain a low-cost outlet
for limited income families and/or those that like to pinch pennys when
buying basic necessities. In your quote you left out the part whereby by
unionizing, Wal-Mart would need to raise prices and lay off employees.

Why not let the public chose where they want to shop and work?

Eisboch




Shop wherever the hell you want. Free choice in shopping is fine if the
"public" has the ability to have influence on how its area is developed.
In our part of our rural, conservative county, we have an older Wal-Mart
store (that I've never been in), but we stopped Wal-Mart dead in its
tracks with its plans to built a "super Wal-Mart" in our area. Wal-Mart
spent a ton of money on PR and political bribes to force it way. All it
took to defeat Wal-Mart was a number of petitions signed by enough
voters to let the county pols know they'd be out on their asses if they
approved building the new store.

GM loses big-time
 

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

I *love* it. It tells me Wal-Mart is scared.



Wal-Mart is among the most exploitative major employers in the United
States. The so-called "health insurance" it "offers" its employees is
a fraud. It is a major violator of wage-hour laws. It is the major
seller of crap ChiComm products in the USA.




It seems to me that Wal-Mart has a specific goal to remain a low-cost
outlet for limited income families and/or those that like to pinch
pennys when buying basic necessities. In your quote you left out the
part whereby by unionizing, Wal-Mart would need to raise prices and
lay off employees.

Why not let the public chose where they want to shop and work?

Eisboch




Shop wherever the hell you want. Free choice in shopping is fine if the
"public" has the ability to have influence on how its area is developed.
In our part of our rural, conservative county, we have an older Wal-Mart
store (that I've never been in), but we stopped Wal-Mart dead in its
tracks with its plans to built a "super Wal-Mart" in our area. Wal-Mart
spent a ton of money on PR and political bribes to force it way. All it
took to defeat Wal-Mart was a number of petitions signed by enough
voters to let the county pols know they'd be out on their asses if they
approved building the new store.


What Harry is really saying:

Free choice in shopping is fine as long as I can tell people what their
choices are.

GM loses big-time
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


Shop wherever the hell you want. Free choice in shopping is fine if the
"public" has the ability to have influence on how its area is developed.
In our part of our rural, conservative county, we have an older Wal-Mart
store (that I've never been in), but we stopped Wal-Mart dead in its
tracks with its plans to built a "super Wal-Mart" in our area. Wal-Mart
spent a ton of money on PR and political bribes to force it way. All it
took to defeat Wal-Mart was a number of petitions signed by enough voters
to let the county pols know they'd be out on their asses if they approved
building the new store.



Your neighbors on fixed or limited incomes thank you.

Eisboch

GM loses big-time
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"hk" wrote in message

Thank god the Bush-GOP plan to "privatize" social security so individuals
could invest in the flim-flam game called the stock market
got nowhere.




Historically the "market" returns an annual average 10% return. Is that
flim-flam?


Please don't confuse this issue with facts.

Eisboch