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Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago.
The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts2.jpg (bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
"Chuck" wrote in message news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21... I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts2.jpg (bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Salt water or fresh? Eisboch |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
Chuck wrote:
I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts2.jpg (bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:30 GMT, "Chuck" wrote:
I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts2.jpg (bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck I'd be putting stainless steel bolts in there as fast as I could. If you can't unscrew the nut, then a hammer and chisel may be an alternative. Another alternative may be a grinder. |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:30 GMT, "Chuck" wrote:
I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts2.jpg (bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! I'm probably wrong, but that looks like electrolysis. Which means that you have some kind of current leakage somewhere - maybe from a shore charger? Is your boat isolated from shore side current? |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
On Jul 28, 4:20*pm, hk wrote:
Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. *This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. *Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...lts3.jpg*(boat in water) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts1.jpg*(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts2.jpg(bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. *So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? * I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. * I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. *I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. ;-) |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote:
On Jul 28, 4:20*pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. *This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. *Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...lts3.jpg*(boat in water) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts1.jpg*(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts2.jpg(bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. *So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? * I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. * I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. *I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. ;-) Your place? |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
JimH wrote:
On Jul 28, 4:20 pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts2.jpg(bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. ;-) Different chuck, methinks. Anyone, sort of connected, I pull a couple of bolts on my boat trailer every year, just to see how they are doing, and I pull the wheels once a season, mainly to make sure I can get them off if I have a flat, but also to see what is going on behind them, in corrosion. Corrosion can be a real problem on salt water boats, especially. When I installed the deck hardware on my Parker, I first took the hardware down the street from the dealer to a metal working shop, and had the owner cut stainless steel backing plates for me, so that the stainless steel hardware and stainless steel nuts and bolts would be touching only stainless steel, not aluminum. Stainless in contact with aluminum can be a problem. The backing plates were cut from a piece of 3/8" stainless scrap the guy had in the shop. He cut four different plates for me and drilled them for $20 total. |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
On Jul 28, 4:32*pm, HK wrote:
JimH wrote: On Jul 28, 4:20 pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. *This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. *Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts3.jpg(boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...2.jpg(boltrust stains on pulley housing) OK. *So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? * I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. * I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. *I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. *A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: *Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. *;-) Different chuck, methinks. Must be. But I would not be surprised to see Mr. Gould post boating related problems here and not has his place. To Chuck: Sorry for disrupting your post but it looks like you are receiving some great advice. |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
"JimH" wrote in message ... On Jul 28, 4:32 pm, HK wrote: JimH wrote: On Jul 28, 4:20 pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts3.jpg(boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...2.jpg(boltrust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. ;-) Different chuck, methinks. Must be. But I would not be surprised to see Mr. Gould post boating related problems here and not has his place. To Chuck: Sorry for disrupting your post but it looks like you are receiving some great advice. Yep... its a different Chuck here. Too embarassed to remind everyone what I asked last go-around. Just to clarify, here is a link to a picture of the lift sheave bracket. I like the idea of replacing the old galvanized 3/4" bolts with stainless steel ones. I am trying to figure out how I can do this myself without enlisting a boat lift company who will charge me BIG $$$$ for replacing the bolt on the other side. Have you heard of this happening very much???? http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/gal...rackets001.jpg http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/gal...rackets002.jpg http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/gal...rackets003.jpg |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: On Jul 28, 4:20 pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts2.jpg(bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. ;-) Your place? Wow. Warp17 is dumber than I thought. He thinks he's talking to the guy that binned him? |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:30 GMT, "Chuck" wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts2.jpg (bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! I'm probably wrong, but that looks like electrolysis. Which means that you have some kind of current leakage somewhere - maybe from a shore charger? Is your boat isolated from shore side current? How about adding some zincs? |
Grady White falls off of boat lift - Pics
It could also be a case of disimular metals causing this accelerated
corrosion. Marty On Jul 28, 4:14*pm, "Chuck" wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. *This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. *Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...lts3.jpg*(boat in water) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts1.jpg*(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts2.jpg(bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. *So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? * I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. * I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. *I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck |
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On Jul 28, 8:15*pm, DK wrote:
John H. wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: On Jul 28, 4:20 pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. *This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. *Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts3.jpg(boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...2.jpg(boltrust stains on pulley housing) OK. *So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? * I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. * I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. *I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. *A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: *Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. *;-) Your place? Wow. *Warp17 is dumber than I thought. *He thinks he's talking to the guy that binned him? That should be..........."the guy *WHO* binned him" Stupid is as stupid does. Eh? |
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"Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21:
I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:30 GMT, "Chuck" wrote:
I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. Chuck, does that bolt serve as the axle for the cradle pulley? If so you want to find new ones that are hollow with a grease fitting on the end. My lift is set up that way and being able to grease them periodically eliminates a lot of friction between the axle and the pulley. It minimizes corrosion also. Check picture #11 for an example: http://www.landandseamarine.com/lifts2.htm The way you replace them is to take the boat off the lift, raise the cradle, temporarily bolt 2 x 10s between the inner and outer pilings, and then lower the cradle onto them. That takes the load off the cables so you can replace the pulleys, axles, etc. Take a hard look at the cables at the same time. |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:03:57 +0000, Chuck wrote:
Yep... its a different Chuck here. Too embarassed to remind everyone what I asked last go-around. Just to clarify, here is a link to a picture of the lift sheave bracket. I like the idea of replacing the old galvanized 3/4" bolts with stainless steel ones. I am trying to figure out how I can do this myself without enlisting a boat lift company who will charge me BIG $$$$ for replacing the bolt on the other side. Have you heard of this happening very much???? That piling looks rather new. The problem you *might* be having is with the new pressure treated preservatives, ACQ or the like. There is a lot more copper in them. Zinc is anodic to copper. At a minimum you should be using hot dipped galvanized. If you use stainless, be careful, not all stainless will work as planned. http://www.strongtie.com/productuse/ptwoodfaqs.html |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:11:25 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: It could also be a case of disimular metals causing this accelerated corrosion. Marty On Jul 28, 4:14*pm, "Chuck" wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. *This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. *Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...lts3.jpg*(boat in water) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts1.jpg*(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts2.jpg(bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. *So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? * I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. * I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. *I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck I wondered if there might be a reaction between the zinc coating and the chromium copper arsenate in the treated lumber. Lo and behold: http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1987/baker87a.pdf Look at the comparisons between galvanized, aluminum, and stainless steel rates of corrosion when in treated wood. |
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On Jul 28, 4:24*pm, JimH wrote:
On Jul 28, 4:20*pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. *This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. *Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...lts3.jpg*(boat in water) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts1.jpg*(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...2.jpg(boltrust stains on pulley housing) OK. *So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? * I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. * I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. *I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. *A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: *Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. *;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tell us, if constant tension was the problem, as you say, why? Was every bolt in tension beyond it's design strength? Exactly what happened to the bolt because of tension? |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... On Jul 28, 8:15 pm, DK wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: On Jul 28, 4:20 pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts3.jpg(boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...2.jpg(boltrust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. ;-) Your place? Wow. Warp17 is dumber than I thought. He thinks he's talking to the guy that binned him? That should be..........."the guy *WHO* binned him" Stupid is as stupid does. Eh? --------------------------------------------------------------------- ~~ Snerk ~~ |
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On Jul 28, 8:15*pm, DK wrote:
John H. wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: On Jul 28, 4:20 pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. *This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. *Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts3.jpg(boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...2.jpg(boltrust stains on pulley housing) OK. *So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? * I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. * I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. *I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. *A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: *Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. *;-) Your place? Wow. *Warp17 is dumber than I thought. *He thinks he's talking to the guy that binned him?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Great, he even failed at sucking up!!!! |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:11:25 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It could also be a case of disimular metals causing this accelerated corrosion. Marty On Jul 28, 4:14 pm, "Chuck" wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts2.jpg(bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck I wondered if there might be a reaction between the zinc coating and the chromium copper arsenate in the treated lumber. Lo and behold: http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1987/baker87a.pdf Look at the comparisons between galvanized, aluminum, and stainless steel rates of corrosion when in treated wood. That was a good reference. To catch everyone up, YES it is in sal****er. As far as electrical isolation from shore power, I leave the circuit breaker for the lift powered at all times since I use the lift a lot. The boat itself is never connected to shore power. I never leave any part of the boat or lift hanging down in the sal****er. That last photo of the new-looking piling was from a neighbor lift where I am now visiting. My actual one is older and worse looking. On the other piling, I am going to put a strong lagbolt down the top end and attach one end of a come-along to it with the other end under the beam cradle. Then I will try to drive out the bad galvanized bolt with a new galvanized bold with a thin plastic sleeve on it to isolate it from the wood. I hate that this happened to me but I guess everyone should take a look at their own lift situations. Chuck (another one) |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21: I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! Yep........ at least once I will have....... :-) |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:30 GMT, "Chuck" wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. Chuck, does that bolt serve as the axle for the cradle pulley? If so you want to find new ones that are hollow with a grease fitting on the end. My lift is set up that way and being able to grease them periodically eliminates a lot of friction between the axle and the pulley. It minimizes corrosion also. Check picture #11 for an example: http://www.landandseamarine.com/lifts2.htm The way you replace them is to take the boat off the lift, raise the cradle, temporarily bolt 2 x 10s between the inner and outer pilings, and then lower the cradle onto them. That takes the load off the cables so you can replace the pulleys, axles, etc. Take a hard look at the cables at the same time. Excellent idea about the 2x10's. On my pulley, the there is a separate stainless axle bolt which still looks new, and the 3/4" galvanized bolt for support that corroded away. No grease fitting on the axle bolt, but it is a plastic pulley with a small brass bushing. This helped a lot. Thanks. Chuck |
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On Jul 29, 12:46*pm, "Chuck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:11:25 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It could also be a case of disimular metals causing this accelerated corrosion. Marty On Jul 28, 4:14 pm, "Chuck" wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts3.jpg(boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...2.jpg(boltrust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck I wondered if there might be a reaction between the zinc coating and the chromium copper arsenate in the treated lumber. Lo and behold: http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1987/baker87a.pdf Look at the comparisons between galvanized, aluminum, and stainless steel rates of corrosion when in treated wood. That was a good reference. *To catch everyone up, YES it is in sal****er. |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:46:49 GMT, "Chuck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:11:25 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It could also be a case of disimular metals causing this accelerated corrosion. Marty On Jul 28, 4:14 pm, "Chuck" wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts2.jpg(bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck I wondered if there might be a reaction between the zinc coating and the chromium copper arsenate in the treated lumber. Lo and behold: http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1987/baker87a.pdf Look at the comparisons between galvanized, aluminum, and stainless steel rates of corrosion when in treated wood. That was a good reference. To catch everyone up, YES it is in sal****er. As far as electrical isolation from shore power, I leave the circuit breaker for the lift powered at all times since I use the lift a lot. The boat itself is never connected to shore power. I never leave any part of the boat or lift hanging down in the sal****er. That last photo of the new-looking piling was from a neighbor lift where I am now visiting. My actual one is older and worse looking. On the other piling, I am going to put a strong lagbolt down the top end and attach one end of a come-along to it with the other end under the beam cradle. Then I will try to drive out the bad galvanized bolt with a new galvanized bold with a thin plastic sleeve on it to isolate it from the wood. I hate that this happened to me but I guess everyone should take a look at their own lift situations. Chuck (another one) Good luck with it, Chuck. |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:40:29 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:30 GMT, "Chuck" wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts2.jpg (bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! I'm probably wrong, but that looks like electrolysis. Which means that you have some kind of current leakage somewhere - maybe from a shore charger? Is your boat isolated from shore side current? How about adding some zincs? These are galvanized bolts. Adding zinc to zinc will accomplish little. Casady |
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"Chuck" wrote in
news:bSHjk.274888$yE1.260010@attbi_s21: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21: I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! Yep........ at least once I will have....... :-) Well, at least it didnt end up bow first stuck into the bottom in 30' of water, flood destructing its interior with seawater. Be very thankful.....to the bolt gods. Remind me again why we can't use STAINLESS bolts, other than the lift manufacture saves 12 cents per unit cost?? We also have MONEL bolts if stainless won't work, adding 24 cents per unit costs to the lift. Navy brass is too soft. |
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Larry wrote:
"Chuck" wrote in news:bSHjk.274888$yE1.260010@attbi_s21: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21: I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! Yep........ at least once I will have....... :-) Well, at least it didnt end up bow first stuck into the bottom in 30' of water, flood destructing its interior with seawater. Be very thankful.....to the bolt gods. Remind me again why we can't use STAINLESS bolts, other than the lift manufacture saves 12 cents per unit cost?? We also have MONEL bolts if stainless won't work, adding 24 cents per unit costs to the lift. Navy brass is too soft. Only an old fart like you (or me) remembers monel. |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:50:16 +0000, Larry wrote:
"Chuck" wrote in news:bSHjk.274888$yE1.260010@attbi_s21: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21: I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! Yep........ at least once I will have....... :-) Well, at least it didnt end up bow first stuck into the bottom in 30' of water, flood destructing its interior with seawater. Be very thankful.....to the bolt gods. It's called Karma. His is good enough to offset metal deterioration. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Larry wrote: "Chuck" wrote in news:bSHjk.274888$yE1.260010@attbi_s21: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21: I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! Yep........ at least once I will have....... :-) Well, at least it didnt end up bow first stuck into the bottom in 30' of water, flood destructing its interior with seawater. Be very thankful.....to the bolt gods. Remind me again why we can't use STAINLESS bolts, other than the lift manufacture saves 12 cents per unit cost?? We also have MONEL bolts if stainless won't work, adding 24 cents per unit costs to the lift. Navy brass is too soft. Only an old fart like you (or me) remembers monel. Hey, I use monel staples all the time. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Larry wrote: "Chuck" wrote in news:bSHjk.274888$yE1.260010@attbi_s21: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21: I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! Yep........ at least once I will have....... :-) Well, at least it didnt end up bow first stuck into the bottom in 30' of water, flood destructing its interior with seawater. Be very thankful.....to the bolt gods. Remind me again why we can't use STAINLESS bolts, other than the lift manufacture saves 12 cents per unit cost?? We also have MONEL bolts if stainless won't work, adding 24 cents per unit costs to the lift. Navy brass is too soft. Only an old fart like you (or me) remembers monel. Hey, I use monel staples all the time. Eisboch We'll vote you in as an honorary o.f. at the next meeting. |
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On Jul 28, 8:15 pm, DK wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: On Jul 28, 4:20 pm, hk wrote: Chuck wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...olts3.jpg(boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg(3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) http://www.thespaceexplorers.com/cor...2.jpg(boltrust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! Chuck Since apparently no one was injured, the important questions: Was the boat damaged? Will your insurance cover any damages to the boat or the lift? Maybe you need to check the area for stray electrical currents...and also change all the bolts and use nuts and bolts you can swap out every season. I have seen bolts looking like that taken off a wooden roller coaster being restored. A friend of mine was helping with the restoration. In this case constant friction and tension was the problem. As a side note: Chuck, no offense but I can understand why you posted the question here and not at your place. ;-) Your place? Wow. Warp17 is dumber than I thought. He thinks he's talking to the guy that binned him?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Great, he even failed at sucking up!!!! I'm sure he will try to spin it somehow. Maybe WAFA can help him. |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:21:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: "Chuck" wrote in news:bSHjk.274888$yE1.260010@attbi_s21: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21: I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! Yep........ at least once I will have....... :-) Well, at least it didnt end up bow first stuck into the bottom in 30' of water, flood destructing its interior with seawater. Be very thankful.....to the bolt gods. Remind me again why we can't use STAINLESS bolts, other than the lift manufacture saves 12 cents per unit cost?? We also have MONEL bolts if stainless won't work, adding 24 cents per unit costs to the lift. Navy brass is too soft. Only an old fart like you (or me) remembers monel. Hey, I use monel staples all the time. I use monel five cent coins. Casady |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:19:02 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:21:17 GMT, Richard Casady penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:21:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:59:55 -0400, hk wrote: Larry wrote: "Chuck" wrote in news:bSHjk.274888$yE1.260010@attbi_s21: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21: I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! Yep........ at least once I will have....... :-) Well, at least it didnt end up bow first stuck into the bottom in 30' of water, flood destructing its interior with seawater. Be very thankful.....to the bolt gods. Remind me again why we can't use STAINLESS bolts, other than the lift manufacture saves 12 cents per unit cost?? We also have MONEL bolts if stainless won't work, adding 24 cents per unit costs to the lift. Navy brass is too soft. Only an old fart like you (or me) remembers monel. ??? Are you for real? US five cent coins are monel. Casady Nope..... they both contain copper and nickel, but aren't the same alloy. Actually there are a number of monels. The common characteristic is the Monel company. The alloy used in the coins qualifies. Casady |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. Larry wrote: "Chuck" wrote in news:bSHjk.274888$yE1.260010@attbi_s21: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Chuck" wrote in news:GMpjk.273665$yE1.249046@attbi_s21: I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! We do now! Yep........ at least once I will have....... :-) Well, at least it didnt end up bow first stuck into the bottom in 30' of water, flood destructing its interior with seawater. Be very thankful.....to the bolt gods. Remind me again why we can't use STAINLESS bolts, other than the lift manufacture saves 12 cents per unit cost?? We also have MONEL bolts if stainless won't work, adding 24 cents per unit costs to the lift. Navy brass is too soft. Only an old fart like you (or me) remembers monel. Hey, I use monel staples all the time. Eisboch Last Monel staples I bought at Home Depot were not Monel. Some Ahole had swapped boxes to save $10. |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:40:29 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:30 GMT, "Chuck" wrote: I know... I only post when I have a problem. This happened two weeks ago. The bolt on the front outer piling holding the boat lift cradle pulley sheared right off and the boat went in the drink. Photos of the boat, the bolts, and some telltale corrosion streaks are stored at the links below. www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts3.jpg (boat in water) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts1.jpg (3/4 galv. bolts corroded away to nothing) www.thespaceexplorers.com/corrodedbolts2.jpg (bolt rust stains on pulley housing) OK. So my question is.......... is there any way to diagnose a galvanized bolts integrity before it rusts through like this again? I can't seem to find my portable X-ray machine. I also can't quite figure out how to do a simple swapout on the other three. I don't know anybody who swaps their lift bolts out every few years! I'm probably wrong, but that looks like electrolysis. Which means that you have some kind of current leakage somewhere - maybe from a shore charger? Is your boat isolated from shore side current? How about adding some zincs? These are galvanized bolts. Adding zinc to zinc will accomplish little. Casady The zinc on those bolts was long gone. |
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