Tim wrote in news:feecded3-83cf-467f-9e65-
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I doubt if you can speak any russian, and I don't' think they could
speak any english, but it seems like "ice cream" is universal!



Most East European kids speak fluent English and have for a long time. A
friend just came back from Prague. I asked if they learned any Czech.
"Why? Everyone in Prague speaks English. They'll stop you on the street
to speak English to you!", they told me.

The Soviets taught all their kids English so when they took over America,
they'd all be able to tell us what to do.....

All Iranian kids spoke, or tried to speak, English when I lived in Tehran.
English meant you got great jobs working with foreigners. In the 70's,
Tehran had lots of foreigners, especially American and English. Hell, we
had our own TV channel and it was the most popular with Iranians.

Even the street kids in Prague spoke English, they told me....begging for
money and selling their bodies.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:02:36 +0000, Larry wrote:

Tim wrote in news:feecded3-83cf-467f-9e65-
:

I doubt if you can speak any russian, and I don't' think they could
speak any english, but it seems like "ice cream" is universal!



Most East European kids speak fluent English and have for a long time. A
friend just came back from Prague. I asked if they learned any Czech.
"Why? Everyone in Prague speaks English. They'll stop you on the street
to speak English to you!", they told me.

The Soviets taught all their kids English so when they took over America,
they'd all be able to tell us what to do.....

All Iranian kids spoke, or tried to speak, English when I lived in Tehran.
English meant you got great jobs working with foreigners. In the 70's,
Tehran had lots of foreigners, especially American and English. Hell, we
had our own TV channel and it was the most popular with Iranians.

Even the street kids in Prague spoke English, they told me....begging for
money and selling their bodies.

Belarus is nothing like the Czech Republic. While in Germany, Prague became
a favorite spot to visit. The city is spectacular. The Germans didn't bomb
it, and neither did the allies. The Germans blew up part of the city hall
just to let folks know who was in charge, but everything else in the city
remained whole.

The Czech's loved Americans, at that time anyway. (This was early '90s.)
And many of them spoke English at least well enough to be understood. Most
of the time we camped just south of town, but one night we stayed at an
apartment. Many of the folks in Prague would rent an unused bedroom for the
night to visitors. This was a little illegal, but what the hell. The folks
at the 'America House' on the city market place had a list of people who
would rent rooms.

My wife, daughter, and I stayed in a rented room for what I thought was
about $40 for the night. The next morning the owners were upset when we
paid them. So, they called America House and got someone to translate. The
owners had meant for us to pay $40 PER PERSON! Well, guess what. Their
failure to communicate cost them, because I didn't have the cash and they
didn't take VISA. (Besides, they were trying to rip us off.)

We had one boy from Belarus who could say a few things in English. He was
from Minsk, his parents had money, he was on a dance team that traveled
internationally, and he'd picked up a lot of English in his travels. But he
was the only kid I've seen in the program who could speak any English. They
do, however, all know how to say 'no' and 'Coca Cola' upon arrival!

John H. wrote in
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We had one boy from Belarus who could say a few things in English. He
was from Minsk, his parents had money, he was on a dance team that
traveled internationally, and he'd picked up a lot of English in his
travels. But he was the only kid I've seen in the program who could
speak any English. They do, however, all know how to say 'no' and
'Coca Cola' upon arrival!



In the Middle East, all the Moslem kids know how to say Chevy and PEPSI,
not Coke. There are no Fords or Coca-Cola which are JEWISH companies. One
of my neighbors in Tehran was an Iranian lawyer of some stature. He had a
Ford station wagon about 15 years old and was so proud of it because it was
such a rare car, sold to him by some Americans when they left for home.
Parts to fix it were awfully hard to get. Every place you go, they serve
Pepsi in Iran or the Arab countries like Bahrain. Israel, of course, is
just the opposite.

English was taught in Iranian schools. Kids entering high schools were
taking courses in chemistry, physics, liberal arts Americans would be
teaching in the 2nd year of college! It was amazing to see the high
standards and hard work Iranian kids were doing to stay in school. Failure
was not tolerated. Those unable to cope or too lazy were moved out of the
schools to apprenticeships in industry or used as laborers. Unlike
America, the Shah didn't waste his energy on those who refused to take
advantage of the excellent education the Shah provided. The poorest
Iranian was afforded the best education, just like the lawyers' kids,
unlike here. Shahanshah used education, unsuccessfully obviously now, to
thwart the religious brainwashing of the Mullahs trying to drag the kids
back into the stone age to become their slaves. How awful.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:56:49 +0000, Larry wrote:

John H. wrote in
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We had one boy from Belarus who could say a few things in English. He
was from Minsk, his parents had money, he was on a dance team that
traveled internationally, and he'd picked up a lot of English in his
travels. But he was the only kid I've seen in the program who could
speak any English. They do, however, all know how to say 'no' and
'Coca Cola' upon arrival!



In the Middle East, all the Moslem kids know how to say Chevy and PEPSI,
not Coke. There are no Fords or Coca-Cola which are JEWISH companies. One
of my neighbors in Tehran was an Iranian lawyer of some stature. He had a
Ford station wagon about 15 years old and was so proud of it because it was
such a rare car, sold to him by some Americans when they left for home.
Parts to fix it were awfully hard to get. Every place you go, they serve
Pepsi in Iran or the Arab countries like Bahrain. Israel, of course, is
just the opposite.

English was taught in Iranian schools. Kids entering high schools were
taking courses in chemistry, physics, liberal arts Americans would be
teaching in the 2nd year of college! It was amazing to see the high
standards and hard work Iranian kids were doing to stay in school. Failure
was not tolerated. Those unable to cope or too lazy were moved out of the
schools to apprenticeships in industry or used as laborers. Unlike
America, the Shah didn't waste his energy on those who refused to take
advantage of the excellent education the Shah provided. The poorest
Iranian was afforded the best education, just like the lawyers' kids,
unlike here. Shahanshah used education, unsuccessfully obviously now, to
thwart the religious brainwashing of the Mullahs trying to drag the kids
back into the stone age to become their slaves. How awful.

In the public high school in which I taught, kids were taking Multivariate
Calculus, normally a 4th semester calculus course. They didn't have to be
lawyers kids, or wealthy. They simply had to work.

John H. wrote in
:

In the public high school in which I taught, kids were taking
Multivariate Calculus, normally a 4th semester calculus course. They
didn't have to be lawyers kids, or wealthy. They simply had to work.



I taught Electronic Technicians in a technical college, not exactly the
cream of the crop, in SC for 8 years. The high school graduates from
the local high school were about 7th Grade, 6th month in the social
promoted school system back in the 70's. We had to test them upon entry
and had an entire department of remedial education to bring these 18-
year-old grade school students up to a level so we could, at least,
communicate with most of them in simple English and help them learn
basic arithmetic so they could stop counting on their fingers doing
simple computations.

I was called into the school president's office where I was confronted
with a full bird colonel USAF, flight commander's wings and all. "What
have you done to my son?", he wanted to know. "My son has flunked every
math course he ever took. The other night he comes to me watching TV
and wants to buy a SCIENTIFIC CALCULATOR! I spilled my Scotch all over
my shirt!" I told the colonel we had no time for math for math's sake
at TEC, so concentrated study on real life mathematics, not theoretical
math the high school tried to spoon feed them with...without showing one
PRACTICAL use for it.

Case in point is a capacitor in series with a resistor across an AC
source. If you add up the AC voltage across the cap to the AC voltage
across the resistor in series with it, like you would in a DC circuit,
you get MORE voltage than the source. How can that be? The students
tried it themselves in the electronics lab, FIRST, then came to me in
the classroom unable to figure out why this PRACTICAL measurement was so
wrong. AT that point, and not before, we set the electronics books
aside and started learning aircraft navigation, field surveying and,
very quietly so as not to panic them, (tiny type here) trigonometry,
necessary to figure out what voltages to expect and measure the phase
between voltage and currents and how to correct it (resonance). Trig
had MEANING when I got done. Stealing the surveying equipment from the
civil engineers was lots easier after a few years to measure off the
property, flagpole, angles of the sun, etc. We even ended up in the
dark out behind the auto shop near midnight to measure our lat/long
with.....gasp....a sextant! Trig takes on a whole new meaning when it
has a REASON...instead of "We study Trig because the state board of
education educrats tell us we have to pass this requirement to get a
diploma." I stole this trick from the Navy who used it on me when I,
not a great math mind, needed trig.

Spherical trig wasn't needed, but when you get 'em cranked up you can't
stand to just drop a hammer on them and say "we don't need that for this
course", so that was part of the clandestine navigation course.

The colonel was a great contact, by the way....He was a constant source
of new aeronautical charts I used to backdoor teach a little trig to the
masses...(c;

I did it for 8 years before I came to the realization TEC wasn't going
to pay me enough to be very comfortable. I made $7200 on a 12 month
contract in 1972. By 1979, I was all the way up to the breathtaking sum
of $14,600...OVER DOUBLE my salary 8 years earlier. I quit and took a
job at triple that back in the defense industry working in a calm, cool,
airconditioned calibration lab without all the pressures.

Teaching kids was wonderful, even adult kids. I loved it. Working with
the vast array of professional educrats to get to teach kids is like
being sent to Hell by an angry god....very painful and unavoidable, no
matter how you try...