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http://www.sanduskyregister.com/arti...ont/795327.txt
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Authorities have not ruled out operator inattention, speed or alcohol as a cause of the accident. They did not believe wind or water conditions played a role. While Steinle was never tested for alcohol in his system, his boat was boarded and inspected by the U.S. Coast Guard minutes before the crash. One of his lights had a problem that was corrected on the spot, Johnston said. Miller's recovered body will undergo toxicology tests. The Ohio Department of Natural Resources in Columbus does not have a record of Miller ever owning a boating education card. The law is that anyone born after Jan. 1, 1982, must complete an education course before operating a watercraft of greater than 10 horsepower. "According to our records, he did not have any completion of any boater safety class that we're aware of," Wisse said. "It doesn't mean he didn't complete something, somewhere, but we don't have a record of it." End quote. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Jun 19, 5:15*pm, JimH wrote:
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/arti...ont/795327.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-------------------------------- Quote: *Authorities have not ruled out operator inattention, speed or alcohol as a cause of the accident. They did not believe wind or water conditions played a role. What's your point? The "authorities" also haven't ruled out suicide, heart attack, seizure, diabetic coma, a fall, and on and on. |
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On Jun 20, 7:28*am, wrote:
On Jun 19, 5:15*pm, JimH wrote: http://www.sanduskyregister.com/arti...ont/795327.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-------------------------------- Quote: *Authorities have not ruled out operator inattention, speed or alcohol as a cause of the accident. They did not believe wind or water conditions played a role. What's your point? The "authorities" also haven't ruled out suicide, heart attack, seizure, diabetic coma, a fall, and on and on. sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. |
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sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islander http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html |
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On Jun 20, 9:21*am, JimH wrote:
On Jun 20, 7:28*am, wrote: On Jun 19, 5:15*pm, JimH wrote: http://www.sanduskyregister.com/arti...ont/795327.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------**-------------------------------- Quote: *Authorities have not ruled out operator inattention, speed or alcohol as a cause of the accident. They did not believe wind or water conditions played a role. What's your point? The "authorities" also haven't ruled out suicide, heart attack, seizure, diabetic coma, a fall, and on and on. sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I should have known you aren't bright enough to understand. It's the tone and tact with which you posted, quoting a small part of the big picture. And the quote was just plain silly, no matter who made it. |
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On Jun 20, 10:27*am, wrote:
On Jun 20, 9:21*am, JimH wrote: On Jun 20, 7:28*am, wrote: On Jun 19, 5:15*pm, JimH wrote: http://www.sanduskyregister.com/arti...ont/795327.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------***-------------------------------- Quote: *Authorities have not ruled out operator inattention, speed or alcohol as a cause of the accident. They did not believe wind or water conditions played a role. What's your point? The "authorities" also haven't ruled out suicide, heart attack, seizure, diabetic coma, a fall, and on and on. sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I should have known you aren't bright enough to understand. It's the tone and tact with which you posted, quoting a small part of the big picture. And the quote was just plain silly, no matter who made it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't think so, but anyway.. I am sitting here wondering why most boats I have been on have a "dead man's throttle". I think I will start a thread. |
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On Jun 20, 10:29*am, wrote:
On Jun 20, 10:27*am, wrote: On Jun 20, 9:21*am, JimH wrote: On Jun 20, 7:28*am, wrote: On Jun 19, 5:15*pm, JimH wrote: http://www.sanduskyregister.com/arti...ont/795327.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------***-------------------------------- Quote: *Authorities have not ruled out operator inattention, speed or alcohol as a cause of the accident. They did not believe wind or water conditions played a role. What's your point? The "authorities" also haven't ruled out suicide, heart attack, seizure, diabetic coma, a fall, and on and on. sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I should have known you aren't bright enough to understand. It's the tone and tact with which you posted, quoting a small part of the big picture. And the quote was just plain silly, no matter who made it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't think so, but anyway.. I am sitting here wondering why most boats I have been on have a "dead man's throttle". I think I will start a thread. The accident I reported is a prime reason for the kill switch w/ lanyard. Many (most?) States require them on boats and PWC's. Even the 5 hp outboard I have has one. |
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On Jun 20, 10:16*am, GDSmith wrote:
sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. *It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. *I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islanderhttp://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html I agree with you regarding the operators being out at such a late hour and traveling at excessive speeds. I would be surprised if it is determined that alcohol was not involved. |
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On Jun 20, 10:51*am, JimH wrote:
On Jun 20, 10:16*am, GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. *It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. *I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islanderhttp://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html I agree with you regarding the operators being out at such a late hour and traveling at excessive speeds. I would be surprised if it is determined that alcohol was not involved.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nice, guilty already.......typical. |
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GDSmith wrote:
sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islander http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html JimH would consider your boat to be a "I call them "Go Fast" or "Obnoxious" boats." Tread lightly. He can be a huge asshole. |
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On Jun 20, 8:48*pm, DK wrote:
GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. *It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. *I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islander http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html JimH would consider your boat to be a "I call them "Go Fast" or "Obnoxious" boats." Tread lightly. *He can be a huge asshole.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here's something funny. I see over at Chuck's that JimH is chastising someone because he has interests "other than boating". He then comes here and whines like a little baby because every single post isn't about boating........ |
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wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:48 pm, DK wrote: GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islander http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html JimH would consider your boat to be a "I call them "Go Fast" or "Obnoxious" boats." Tread lightly. He can be a huge asshole.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here's something funny. I see over at Chuck's that JimH is chastising someone because he has interests "other than boating". He then comes here and whines like a little baby because every single post isn't about boating........ For someone with as much disdain for Chuck's Place as you have demonstrated here, you sure spend a lot of time reading the posts there and commenting on them here, even the ones you don't understand, which, apparently, is most of them. Interesting you don't post there. No balls for *that* either, I suppose. |
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-rick- wrote:
wrote: ...He then comes here and whines like a little baby because every single post isn't about boating........ how about we just ignore it... If Loogy & Gang couldn't whine and post off-topic, why, they'd have no reason to post here or anywhere else. |
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On Jun 20, 10:16*am, GDSmith wrote:
sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. *It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. *I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islanderhttp://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html I was talking with one of the owners of our marina yesterday and this accident came up. I then brought up another fatal accident several years back also involving a cigarette boat hitting another boat at a high rate of speed. He told me that the man who was killed was a docker at his marina. He had just graduated from college with high honors and his parent purchased him the 29 foot boat as a graduation gift. They went out on the boat for the first time when a man from Leamington, Canada plowed his 38 foot boat at 50 mph into the young mans boat. The accident occurred in broad daylight. http://justice.org/homepage/boat1008.aspx http://www-catalog.cpl.org/CLENIX/ACT-4248 |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 20, 10:16 am, GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islanderhttp://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html I was talking with one of the owners of our marina yesterday and this accident came up. I then brought up another fatal accident several years back also involving a cigarette boat hitting another boat at a high rate of speed. He told me that the man who was killed was a docker at his marina. He had just graduated from college with high honors and his parent purchased him the 29 foot boat as a graduation gift. They went out on the boat for the first time when a man from Leamington, Canada plowed his 38 foot boat at 50 mph into the young mans boat. The accident occurred in broad daylight. http://justice.org/homepage/boat1008.aspx http://www-catalog.cpl.org/CLENIX/ACT-4248 At least the drunk operator received some jail time. If the event had occured up here, he may have gotten house arrest. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...e.html?ref=rss |
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On Jun 21, 4:53*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 20, 10:16 am, GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islanderhttp://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html I was talking with one of the owners of our marina yesterday and this accident came up. *I then brought up another fatal accident several years back also involving a cigarette boat hitting another boat at a high rate of speed. He told me that the man who was killed was a docker at his marina. *He had just graduated from college with high honors and his parent purchased him the 29 foot boat as a graduation gift. *They went out on the boat for the first time when a man from Leamington, Canada plowed his 38 foot boat at 50 mph into the young mans boat. The accident occurred in broad daylight. http://justice.org/homepage/boat1008.aspx http://www-catalog.cpl.org/CLENIX/ACT-4248 At least the drunk operator received some jail time. *If the event had occured up here, he may have gotten house arrest.http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...ackay-sentence... He was able to transfer his assets in a timely manner and his boat conveniently was torched while it was still insured. Nice guy. |
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wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:48 pm, DK wrote: GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islander http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html JimH would consider your boat to be a "I call them "Go Fast" or "Obnoxious" boats." Tread lightly. He can be a huge asshole.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here's something funny. I see over at Chuck's that JimH is chastising someone because he has interests "other than boating". He then comes here and whines like a little baby because every single post isn't about boating........ He's a piece of work. He will bitch about anything - here or there. |
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"DK" wrote in message ... GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islander http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html JimH would consider your boat to be a "I call them "Go Fast" or "Obnoxious" boats." Tread lightly. He can be a huge asshole. What do you mean "can be"? |
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On Jun 22, 2:55*pm, "Jim" wrote:
"DK" wrote in message ... GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. *It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. *I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islander http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html JimH would consider your boat to be a "I call them "Go Fast" or "Obnoxious" boats." Tread lightly. *He can be a huge asshole. What do you mean "can be"? How old did you boys say you are? |
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On Jun 21, 4:53*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 20, 10:16 am, GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islanderhttp://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html I was talking with one of the owners of our marina yesterday and this accident came up. *I then brought up another fatal accident several years back also involving a cigarette boat hitting another boat at a high rate of speed. He told me that the man who was killed was a docker at his marina. *He had just graduated from college with high honors and his parent purchased him the 29 foot boat as a graduation gift. *They went out on the boat for the first time when a man from Leamington, Canada plowed his 38 foot boat at 50 mph into the young mans boat. The accident occurred in broad daylight. http://justice.org/homepage/boat1008.aspx http://www-catalog.cpl.org/CLENIX/ACT-4248 At least the drunk operator received some jail time. *If the event had occured up here, he may have gotten house arrest.http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...ackay-sentence... We have some members here who continue to want to take this NG into the sewer. Their childish and insulting comments in this *on topic* thread prove it. Too bad. |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 20, 7:28 am, wrote: On Jun 19, 5:15 pm, JimH wrote: http://www.sanduskyregister.com/arti...ont/795327.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-------------------------------- Quote: Authorities have not ruled out operator inattention, speed or alcohol as a cause of the accident. They did not believe wind or water conditions played a role. What's your point? The "authorities" also haven't ruled out suicide, heart attack, seizure, diabetic coma, a fall, and on and on. sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. ---------- Interesting post. Sounds like both boats were under power. I am no maritime law expert, but I suspect the surviving captain has some answering to do. Leaving the scene not looking for the other boats passengers to start. Since both are under power, some fault goes to both. His argument leaving might hold, but safety over the boat.... will make an interesting read when the reports come out. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 20, 10:16 am, GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islanderhttp://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html I was talking with one of the owners of our marina yesterday and this accident came up. I then brought up another fatal accident several years back also involving a cigarette boat hitting another boat at a high rate of speed. He told me that the man who was killed was a docker at his marina. He had just graduated from college with high honors and his parent purchased him the 29 foot boat as a graduation gift. They went out on the boat for the first time when a man from Leamington, Canada plowed his 38 foot boat at 50 mph into the young mans boat. The accident occurred in broad daylight. http://justice.org/homepage/boat1008.aspx http://www-catalog.cpl.org/CLENIX/ACT-4248 At least the drunk operator received some jail time. If the event had occured up here, he may have gotten house arrest. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...e.html?ref=rss Also cost him 4.1M. Part of his sentence should have been pulling his drivers license and never to drive a boat again. I remember reading something they are starting to do this in Canada where if you are intoxicated, they treat it just like DWI. Good deal. |
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On Jun 22, 4:25*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message .... On Jun 20, 10:16 am, GDSmith wrote: sigh I should have known better than to post something relating to boating here. I wouldn't worry about it too much - there are ignorant people everywhere. I'd like to thank you for posting the note - my brother lives just off Lake Erie on the other side of Cleveland and we've taken our boat up there for several lake runs - always a good time. It just surprises me that people go out running that late at night (approx 12:30 am), presumably above 20mph, with MINIMAL lighting on the boat. I'm sorry that this resulted in a loss of life, but I can't imagine running around in those conditions - even if there was a (near) full moon on Monday. -------------------------- GDSmith Harpers Ferry, WV 2003 Baja 242 Islanderhttp://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html I was talking with one of the owners of our marina yesterday and this accident came up. *I then brought up another fatal accident several years back also involving a cigarette boat hitting another boat at a high rate of speed. He told me that the man who was killed was a docker at his marina. *He had just graduated from college with high honors and his parent purchased him the 29 foot boat as a graduation gift. *They went out on the boat for the first time when a man from Leamington, Canada plowed his 38 foot boat at 50 mph into the young mans boat. The accident occurred in broad daylight. http://justice.org/homepage/boat1008.aspx http://www-catalog.cpl.org/CLENIX/ACT-4248 At least the drunk operator received some jail time. *If the event had occured up here, he may have gotten house arrest. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...ackay-sentence... Also cost him 4.1M. Part of his sentence should have been pulling his drivers license and never to drive a boat again. *I remember reading something they are starting to do this in Canada where if you are intoxicated, they treat it just like DWI. Good deal. A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. |
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JimH wrote:
A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. |
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BAR wrote:
JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? You planning to "off" yourself to collect the insurance? :) |
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HK wrote:
BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? You planning to "off" yourself to collect the insurance? :) You wish! |
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On Jun 23, 8:21*am, BAR wrote:
JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. Life is always precious and as sad as it may sound but the life of a doctor is worth more to the jury than the life of someone who dropped out of high school. |
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BAR wrote:
HK wrote: BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? You planning to "off" yourself to collect the insurance? :) You wish! Whoosh. |
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JimH wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:21 am, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. Life is always precious and as sad as it may sound but the life of a doctor is worth more to the jury than the life of someone who dropped out of high school. Bill Gates, a college dropout. The CEO's of many of the Fortune 500 companies never graduated from college, yet they earn more than just about every doctor on the face of the earth. The ability to earn is not based upon your ability to lean it is based upon your ability to actually do a job and get paid for that job. |
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On Jun 23, 8:54*am, BAR wrote:
JimH wrote: On Jun 23, 8:21 am, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. Life is always precious and as sad as it may sound but the life of a doctor is worth more to the jury than the life of someone who dropped out of high school. Bill Gates, a college dropout. The CEO's of many of the Fortune 500 companies never graduated from college, yet they earn more than just about every doctor on the face of the earth. The ability to earn is not based upon your ability to lean it is based upon your ability to actually do a job and get paid for that job. There are always exceptions to the rule. You want to argue about this for some reason. I am just telling you how juries compute the price of a life. Now go try to pick a fight with someone else. |
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BAR wrote:
JimH wrote: On Jun 23, 8:21 am, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. Life is always precious and as sad as it may sound but the life of a doctor is worth more to the jury than the life of someone who dropped out of high school. Bill Gates, a college dropout. The CEO's of many of the Fortune 500 companies never graduated from college, yet they earn more than just about every doctor on the face of the earth. Why would that matter to you? You're not going to be the CEO of anything of consequence. And the fact that some CEO's earn more than physicians only shows how sick out society is. |
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On Jun 23, 8:51*am, JimH wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:21*am, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. That's certainly all YOU are worth to society. |
Tragic Loss of Life on Lake Erie
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Tragic Loss of Life on Lake Erie
HK wrote:
BAR wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 23, 8:21 am, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. Life is always precious and as sad as it may sound but the life of a doctor is worth more to the jury than the life of someone who dropped out of high school. Bill Gates, a college dropout. The CEO's of many of the Fortune 500 companies never graduated from college, yet they earn more than just about every doctor on the face of the earth. Why would that matter to you? You're not going to be the CEO of anything of consequence. And the fact that some CEO's earn more than physicians only shows how sick out society is. Why? A CEO employs more people than an MD. A does more good for society than an MD. Bad CEOs are weaned out fairly quickly, however, the medical profession protects bad MDs in an attempt to protect all MDs with the thinking that if they can get the bad ones then they can get the good ones too. Good old socialist thinking at its best. |
Tragic Loss of Life on Lake Erie
BAR wrote:
HK wrote: BAR wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 23, 8:21 am, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. Life is always precious and as sad as it may sound but the life of a doctor is worth more to the jury than the life of someone who dropped out of high school. Bill Gates, a college dropout. The CEO's of many of the Fortune 500 companies never graduated from college, yet they earn more than just about every doctor on the face of the earth. Why would that matter to you? You're not going to be the CEO of anything of consequence. And the fact that some CEO's earn more than physicians only shows how sick out society is. Why? A CEO employs more people than an MD. A does more good for society than an MD. Bad CEOs are weaned out fairly quickly, however, the medical profession protects bad MDs in an attempt to protect all MDs with the thinking that if they can get the bad ones then they can get the good ones too. Good old socialist thinking at its best. Your lack of understanding and intelligence never ceases to amaze. You must be one of Loogie's many fathers. |
Tragic Loss of Life on Lake Erie
HK wrote:
BAR wrote: HK wrote: BAR wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 23, 8:21 am, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. Life is always precious and as sad as it may sound but the life of a doctor is worth more to the jury than the life of someone who dropped out of high school. Bill Gates, a college dropout. The CEO's of many of the Fortune 500 companies never graduated from college, yet they earn more than just about every doctor on the face of the earth. Why would that matter to you? You're not going to be the CEO of anything of consequence. And the fact that some CEO's earn more than physicians only shows how sick out society is. Why? A CEO employs more people than an MD. A does more good for society than an MD. Bad CEOs are weaned out fairly quickly, however, the medical profession protects bad MDs in an attempt to protect all MDs with the thinking that if they can get the bad ones then they can get the good ones too. Good old socialist thinking at its best. Your lack of understanding and intelligence never ceases to amaze. You must be one of Loogie's many fathers. Really? What is the value of your average GP MD type to the world? He does nothing more than pass out pills and referrals. The practice of medicine is still as much a guessing game as it is a science. Hell 200 years ago they were bleeding people to make them better! Anti-biotics hadn't been fully understood until about 60 years ago. They still don't really know how the brain works. Chemical reactions in the body? Have you read some of the package inserts for some medicines? They can't tell you why it works but they can tell you what you are putting into your body and what happens to your body after it metabolizes what you just ingested. You shouldn't place MDs on such high pedestals. |
Tragic Loss of Life on Lake Erie
BAR wrote:
HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: BAR wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 23, 8:21 am, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. Life is always precious and as sad as it may sound but the life of a doctor is worth more to the jury than the life of someone who dropped out of high school. Bill Gates, a college dropout. The CEO's of many of the Fortune 500 companies never graduated from college, yet they earn more than just about every doctor on the face of the earth. Why would that matter to you? You're not going to be the CEO of anything of consequence. And the fact that some CEO's earn more than physicians only shows how sick out society is. Why? A CEO employs more people than an MD. A does more good for society than an MD. Bad CEOs are weaned out fairly quickly, however, the medical profession protects bad MDs in an attempt to protect all MDs with the thinking that if they can get the bad ones then they can get the good ones too. Good old socialist thinking at its best. Your lack of understanding and intelligence never ceases to amaze. You must be one of Loogie's many fathers. Really? What is the value of your average GP MD type to the world? He does nothing more than pass out pills and referrals. Your lack of understanding and intelligence never ceases to amaze. You demonstrate attitudes very typical of those who never did well in school and resent those who did. |
Tragic Loss of Life on Lake Erie
HK wrote:
BAR wrote: HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: BAR wrote: JimH wrote: On Jun 23, 8:21 am, BAR wrote: JimH wrote: A cheap price to pay for taking the life of a 'top of his class' young man. What is the price to pay for taking the life of a 'bottom of his class' young man? Who determines the value of a life? Who determines the potential of that life. Potential lifetime earnings. Life is always precious and as sad as it may sound but the life of a doctor is worth more to the jury than the life of someone who dropped out of high school. Bill Gates, a college dropout. The CEO's of many of the Fortune 500 companies never graduated from college, yet they earn more than just about every doctor on the face of the earth. Why would that matter to you? You're not going to be the CEO of anything of consequence. And the fact that some CEO's earn more than physicians only shows how sick out society is. Why? A CEO employs more people than an MD. A does more good for society than an MD. Bad CEOs are weaned out fairly quickly, however, the medical profession protects bad MDs in an attempt to protect all MDs with the thinking that if they can get the bad ones then they can get the good ones too. Good old socialist thinking at its best. Your lack of understanding and intelligence never ceases to amaze. You must be one of Loogie's many fathers. Really? What is the value of your average GP MD type to the world? He does nothing more than pass out pills and referrals. Your lack of understanding and intelligence never ceases to amaze. You demonstrate attitudes very typical of those who never did well in school and resent those who did. Do you mean the kind of person who would have to leave New England, home of the best schools in the world, and go to school at a 4th tier school such as University of Kansas? |
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