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....is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil.
What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* |
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"John H." wrote in message ... ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* A container to catch the gear oil as it drains out. |
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On May 30, 4:31 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* A container to catch the gear oil as it drains out. ROTF!!!!!!!! |
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On May 30, 4:20*pm, John H. wrote:
...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil.. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* I change fluids in several of my engine driven devices, etc. I have a vacume pump used for auto mechanics. Nice little device with tubes and catch jars that can get almost anywyere. You can probably get one at the local autoparts hardware store. Mine is in a neat little carry case, bout the size of a timing light case. I have this one: http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--A...-MIT4000.shtml HTH |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:31:32 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* A container to catch the gear oil as it drains out. Now *that's* what I'm talking about!! -- John *H* |
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On May 30, 4:14*pm, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:31:32 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* A container to catch the gear oil as it drains out. Now *that's* what I'm talking about!! -- John *H* John, I think you should take it back to the dealer and let them change it, only on condition that they refill with Quaker State from Walmart. ?: |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 15:57:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On May 30, 4:14*pm, John H. wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:31:32 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* A container to catch the gear oil as it drains out. Now *that's* what I'm talking about!! -- John *H* John, I think you should take it back to the dealer and let them change it, only on condition that they refill with Quaker State from Walmart. ?: LOL! -- John *H* |
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What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? Well, I just cut a hole in the side of a new jug of Cat Litter, lay it under the plug, take it out, and let it drain into the litter.You can manouever the jug out after the plugs back in, with no oil spilled. |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H.
wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? A friend with a little mechanical ability. |
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On May 30, 8:41*pm, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:09:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 30, 4:20*pm, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* I change fluids in several of my engine driven devices, etc. I have a vacume pump used for auto mechanics. Nice little device with tubes and catch jars that can get almost anywyere. You can probably get one at the local autoparts hardware store. Mine is in a neat little carry case, bout the size of a timing light case. I have this one: http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--A...ic_Tools--Engi... HTH I'm hoping there's a cheaper, simpler alternative! That is cool though. -- John *H* Cheaper?? How much did you pay for the boat? Mine gets the most use if I overfill something... Anyway, I did not notice the price when I posted. I bought mine 20 years ago;) but some kind of suction pump is handy in any garage, check wallmart for a cheaper version sometime, great to have around even if you don't use it on your boat. |
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complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. You are not serious are you? Besides contaminating everything you can end up in jail depending on where you live. |
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On May 30, 8:41 pm, John H. wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:09:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 30, 4:20 pm, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* I change fluids in several of my engine driven devices, etc. I have a vacume pump used for auto mechanics. Nice little device with tubes and catch jars that can get almost anywyere. You can probably get one at the local autoparts hardware store. Mine is in a neat little carry case, bout the size of a timing light case. I have this one: http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--A...ic_Tools--Engi... HTH I'm hoping there's a cheaper, simpler alternative! That is cool though. -- John *H* Cheaper?? How much did you pay for the boat? Mine gets the most use if I overfill something... Anyway, I did not notice the price when I posted. I bought mine 20 years ago;) but some kind of suction pump is handy in any garage, check wallmart for a cheaper version sometime, great to have around even if you don't use it on your boat. Maybe if brain-dead Herring would look at his engine, he'd realize that gravity will drain out the oil and if attaches the right sized plastic hose, it'll drain right into a container that can be taken to a place that accepts oil for disposal. Any competent boat salesman would have introduced a new customer to someone in the shop who would have demonstrated the various owner-maintenance features. But I guess if you buy a new engine off ebay... |
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On May 31, 11:29*am, "Phil" wrote:
complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. *You are not serious are you? *Besides contaminating everything you can end up in jail depending on where you live. There are a couple left here who just want to stir things up, most of us completely ignore them. If you see a "suspect" post, and it goes unanswered, you can probably assume they are in a lot of killfiles;) |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:17 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis
wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. I wonder what the fine would come to. When I was attending Colorado U the local city busses had a sign that warned of a $250 000 fine for causing a disturbance on the bus. Not to mention a good sized jolt of prison time. Casady |
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On May 31, 12:57*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:17 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. I wonder what the fine would come to. When I was attending Colorado U the local city busses had a sign that warned of a $250 000 fine for causing a disturbance on the bus. Not to mention a good sized jolt of prison time. Casady I dunno but a friend of a freind owned an oil company and filled a 250 gallon tank only to find the tank had been disconnected in the basement.. Dirt floor, downtown Essex CT... What a mess, they had to remove it all, lots of earth, what a mess. The DEP stood on their nuts till they did, then they had the fines. |
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On May 31, 7:42 am, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis
wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. I was thinking of the neighbors yard. of course if your driveway is gravel you could drain it there and start your long waited asphalting project. |
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On May 31, 10:35 am, HK wrote:
wrote: On May 30, 8:41 pm, John H. wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:09:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 30, 4:20 pm, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* I change fluids in several of my engine driven devices, etc. I have a vacume pump used for auto mechanics. Nice little device with tubes and catch jars that can get almost anywyere. You can probably get one at the local autoparts hardware store. Mine is in a neat little carry case, bout the size of a timing light case. I have this one: http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--A...ic_Tools--Engi... HTH I'm hoping there's a cheaper, simpler alternative! That is cool though. -- John *H* Cheaper?? How much did you pay for the boat? Mine gets the most use if I overfill something... Anyway, I did not notice the price when I posted. I bought mine 20 years ago;) but some kind of suction pump is handy in any garage, check wallmart for a cheaper version sometime, great to have around even if you don't use it on your boat. Maybe if brain-dead Herring would look at his engine, he'd realize that gravity will drain out the oil and if attaches the right sized plastic hose, it'll drain right into a container that can be taken to a place that accepts oil for disposal. Any competent boat salesman would have introduced a new customer to someone in the shop who would have demonstrated the various owner-maintenance features. But I guess if you buy a new engine off ebay... When I change the lower end oil on my mercruiser[s], I save the old and put it in the lawnmowers crankcase. it's cheaper than buying more oil for a lawnmower. besides. Briggs engines don't need no respect anyhow... |
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On May 31, 1:04*pm, wrote:
On May 31, 12:57*pm, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:17 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. I wonder what the fine would come to. When I was attending Colorado U the local city busses had a sign that warned of a $250 000 fine for causing a disturbance on the bus. Not to mention a good sized jolt of prison time. Casady I dunno but a friend of a freind owned an oil company and filled a 250 gallon tank only to find the tank had been disconnected in the basement.. Dirt floor, downtown Essex CT... What a mess, they had to remove it all, lots of earth, what a mess. The DEP stood on their nuts till they did, then they had the fines.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here's a cool basement story! Western NY, flood of 1972. My uncle's basement floods almost to floor height. All pumps in the area are being used to try to save businesses, etc. If you come out of the basement, go about ten feet, then you go down a 10' drop to a stream. So, always, even in my youth being resourceful, I used two garden hoses and siphoned the whole basement! |
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Tim wrote:
On May 31, 10:35 am, HK wrote: wrote: On May 30, 8:41 pm, John H. wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:09:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 30, 4:20 pm, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* I change fluids in several of my engine driven devices, etc. I have a vacume pump used for auto mechanics. Nice little device with tubes and catch jars that can get almost anywyere. You can probably get one at the local autoparts hardware store. Mine is in a neat little carry case, bout the size of a timing light case. I have this one: http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--A...ic_Tools--Engi... HTH I'm hoping there's a cheaper, simpler alternative! That is cool though. -- John *H* Cheaper?? How much did you pay for the boat? Mine gets the most use if I overfill something... Anyway, I did not notice the price when I posted. I bought mine 20 years ago;) but some kind of suction pump is handy in any garage, check wallmart for a cheaper version sometime, great to have around even if you don't use it on your boat. Maybe if brain-dead Herring would look at his engine, he'd realize that gravity will drain out the oil and if attaches the right sized plastic hose, it'll drain right into a container that can be taken to a place that accepts oil for disposal. Any competent boat salesman would have introduced a new customer to someone in the shop who would have demonstrated the various owner-maintenance features. But I guess if you buy a new engine off ebay... When I change the lower end oil on my mercruiser[s], I save the old and put it in the lawnmowers crankcase. it's cheaper than buying more oil for a lawnmower. besides. Briggs engines don't need no respect anyhow... I use it where my hair used to be instead of Wildroot Cream Oil |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Maybe if brain-dead Herring would look at his engine, he'd realize that gravity will drain out the oil and if attaches the right sized plastic hose, it'll drain right into a container that can be taken to a place that accepts oil for disposal. Any competent boat salesman would have introduced a new customer to someone in the shop who would have demonstrated the various owner-maintenance features. But I guess if you buy a new engine off ebay... Oh oh! Now he'll be crying to the moderator of another group about posters being mean to him. |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Maybe if brain-dead Herring would look at his engine, he'd realize that gravity will drain out the oil and if attaches the right sized plastic hose, it'll drain right into a container that can be taken to a place that accepts oil for disposal. Any competent boat salesman would have introduced a new customer to someone in the shop who would have demonstrated the various owner-maintenance features. But I guess if you buy a new engine off ebay... Oh oh! Now he'll be crying to the moderator of another group about posters being mean to him. My salesman spent about 45 minutes with me going over the details of the engine, and this wasn't the first modern Yamaha four stroke outboard I bought there. Considering how expensive these engines are, you'd think that the owner of a new one would want to pick up a bit of knowledge before heading down the road. |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:29:24 -0500, "Phil" wrote:
complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. You are not serious are you? Besides contaminating everything you can end up in jail depending on where you live. Of course I'm serious. I wouldn't have said it if I wasn't serious. |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:26:20 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On May 31, 10:35 am, HK wrote: wrote: On May 30, 8:41 pm, John H. wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:09:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On May 30, 4:20 pm, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? -- John *H* I change fluids in several of my engine driven devices, etc. I have a vacume pump used for auto mechanics. Nice little device with tubes and catch jars that can get almost anywyere. You can probably get one at the local autoparts hardware store. Mine is in a neat little carry case, bout the size of a timing light case. I have this one: http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--A...ic_Tools--Engi... HTH I'm hoping there's a cheaper, simpler alternative! That is cool though. -- John *H* Cheaper?? How much did you pay for the boat? Mine gets the most use if I overfill something... Anyway, I did not notice the price when I posted. I bought mine 20 years ago;) but some kind of suction pump is handy in any garage, check wallmart for a cheaper version sometime, great to have around even if you don't use it on your boat. Maybe if brain-dead Herring would look at his engine, he'd realize that gravity will drain out the oil and if attaches the right sized plastic hose, it'll drain right into a container that can be taken to a place that accepts oil for disposal. Any competent boat salesman would have introduced a new customer to someone in the shop who would have demonstrated the various owner-maintenance features. But I guess if you buy a new engine off ebay... When I change the lower end oil on my mercruiser[s], I save the old and put it in the lawnmowers crankcase. it's cheaper than buying more oil for a lawnmower. besides. Briggs engines don't need no respect anyhow... We French use the old gear oil to brush our teeth. |
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On May 31, 4:16 pm, JG2U wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2008 15:55:55 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Maybe if brain-dead Herring would look at his engine, he'd realize that gravity will drain out the oil and if attaches the right sized plastic hose, it'll drain right into a container that can be taken to a place that accepts oil for disposal. Any competent boat salesman would have introduced a new customer to someone in the shop who would have demonstrated the various owner-maintenance features. But I guess if you buy a new engine off ebay... Oh oh! Now he'll be crying to the moderator of another group about posters being mean to him. Earlier you posted "Even you must realize from the tone of my posts that I want to improve the newsgroup." Surely even you realize that by facilitating, you are bringing the NG down. Don't you? Give it a rest Sheriff Jack. The tone of this NG was ruined long ago. In case you didn't notice Herring whined about some members here at another place. He is a crybaby. |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:29:24 -0500, "Phil" wrote:
complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. You are not serious are you? Besides contaminating everything you can end up in jail depending on where you live. It's OK, I think, in France. That would be my guess. -- John *H* |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:17 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis
wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. Some may think your opinion on this matter somewhat moronic. -- John *H* |
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On May 31, 4:51 pm, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:17 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. Some may think your opinion on this matter somewhat moronic. -- John *H* Doh! Right over your head John. You do realize that Les Avis is Tom don't you? |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Maybe if brain-dead Herring would look at his engine, he'd realize that gravity will drain out the oil and if attaches the right sized plastic hose, it'll drain right into a container that can be taken to a place that accepts oil for disposal. Any competent boat salesman would have introduced a new customer to someone in the shop who would have demonstrated the various owner-maintenance features. But I guess if you buy a new engine off ebay... Oh oh! Now he'll be crying to the moderator of another group about posters being mean to him. My salesman spent about 45 minutes with me going over the details of the engine, and this wasn't the first modern Yamaha four stroke outboard I bought there. Considering how expensive these engines are, you'd think that the owner of a new one would want to pick up a bit of knowledge before heading down the road. I always go through the owners manual front to back a couple of times. |
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Cry baby cry Make your mother sigh She's old enough to know better. The king of Marigold was in the kitchen Cooking breakfast for the queen The queen was in the parlour Playing piano for the children of the king. Cry baby cry Make your mother sigh She's old enough to know better So cry baby cry. The king was in the garden Picking flowers for a friend who came to play The queen was in the playroom Painting pictures for the childrens holiday. Cry baby cry Make your mother sigh She's old enough to know better So cry baby cry. The duchess of Kircaldy always smiling And arriving late for tea The duke was having problems With a message at the local bird and bee. Cry baby cry Make your mother sigh She's old enough to know better So cry baby cry. At twelve o'clock a meeting round the table For a seance in the dark With voices out of nowhere Put on specially by the children for a lark. Cry baby cry Make your mother sigh She's old enough to know better So cry baby cry cry cry cry baby Make your mother sigh. She's old enough to know better Cry baby cry cry cry cry Make your mother sigh She's old enough to know better So cry baby cry. Can you take me back where I came from? Can you take me back? Can you take me back where I came from? Rowboat can you take me back? Can you take me back? Oooh, can you take me where I came from? Can you take me back? |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:40:56 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:29:24 -0500, "Phil" wrote: complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. You are not serious are you? Besides contaminating everything you can end up in jail depending on where you live. It's OK, I think, in France. That would be my guess. That is true. We French are much less constipated over this silly affaire de réchauffement global than you silly, ignorant smelly âne sourd-muet Americans. |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:51:13 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:17 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. Some may think your opinion on this matter somewhat moronic. Ah yes - the infamous Américains sans humour. It is amazing to us French that you are such le porc a dirigé des simpletons. |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT), JimH
wrote: On May 31, 4:51 pm, John H. wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:17 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. Some may think your opinion on this matter somewhat moronic. -- John *H* Doh! Right over your head John. You do realize that Les Avis is Tom don't you? You just can't resist ruining an ongoing gag can you. Honest to pete. |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 22:00:48 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis
wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:40:56 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:29:24 -0500, "Phil" wrote: complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. You are not serious are you? Besides contaminating everything you can end up in jail depending on where you live. It's OK, I think, in France. That would be my guess. That is true. We French are much less constipated over this silly affaire de réchauffement global than you silly, ignorant smelly âne sourd-muet Americans. And vous avez assez sentir to use pouvoir nucléaire. For that seul, I give you le très beaucoup de crédit. -- John *H* |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 22:04:02 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis
wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:51:13 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:17 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. Some may think your opinion on this matter somewhat moronic. Ah yes - the infamous Américains sans humour. It is amazing to us French that you are such le porc a dirigé des simpletons. Non, nous sommes simplement subtils. -- John *H* |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 22:05:58 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: On May 31, 4:51 pm, John H. wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:42:17 GMT, Les Avis Sont Comme Des Abrutis wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:58 -0400, John H. wrote: ...is coming soon for the Yamaha. I need to change the engine and gear oil. What's the best device to assist in changing the gear oil? I would suggest using an old milk jug or if that seems too complicated, just park the engine over a street drain and let it flow into that. Much less complicated than using an old milk container. Some may think your opinion on this matter somewhat moronic. -- John *H* Doh! Right over your head John. You do realize that Les Avis is Tom don't you? You just can't resist ruining an ongoing gag can you. Honest to pete. You've not graced our presence for a while, but most of us ignore him (them). -- John *H* |
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