"Geoff Miller" wrote in message
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Guess I'll see you at the truck stop in your Chevy PU with a
bed full of gerry cans.

Why not? It'd make sense. As log as fuel is more expensive
at the dock than it is at gas stations, the cost of the
jerrycans[*] would eventually be amortized.


[*] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_can


Geoff

Carrying gas down to the docks gets old real fast. Not to mention the
hazards involved. Plus, It's time consuming and you get to smell like raw
gas when you are done. All this to save $2.50 per Jerry Jug full of gas. Is
it worth it? Ante up fellas or find another hobby.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:32:04 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

Carrying gas down to the docks gets old real fast.
True.
Not to mention the hazards involved. Plus, It's time consuming and
Only unavoidable hazard is a sore back. You have the body to handle
it, or not. See below.
you get to smell like raw gas when you are done.
Only if you carelessly spill it.
All this to save $2.50 per Jerry Jug full of gas
Is it worth it? Ante up fellas or find another hobby.
Worth it? Maybe not.

Get a yoke like the ones used by third worlders to carry two buckets
of water. Puts the weight on the shoulders instead of the hands. Holds
the cans away from the body so that they don't hit the outside of the
knees.

My boat[175 hp 22 ft cuddy] has the fill openings on the sides of the
boat, and without a really complicated funnel, you can't fuel from
cans while underway, or on the trailer. Maybe one side if alongside a
dock.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:32:04 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

Carrying gas down to the docks gets old real fast.
True.
Not to mention the hazards involved. Plus, It's time consuming and
Only unavoidable hazard is a sore back. You have the body to handle
it, or not. See below.
you get to smell like raw gas when you are done.
Only if you carelessly spill it.
All this to save $2.50 per Jerry Jug full of gas
Is it worth it? Ante up fellas or find another hobby.
Worth it? Maybe not.

Get a yoke like the ones used by third worlders to carry two buckets
of water. Puts the weight on the shoulders instead of the hands. Holds
the cans away from the body so that they don't hit the outside of the
knees.

My boat[175 hp 22 ft cuddy] has the fill openings on the sides of the
boat, and without a really complicated funnel, you can't fuel from
cans while underway, or on the trailer. Maybe one side if alongside a
dock.

Casady


When I was a young teen, I used to hand carry a pair of six gallon steel
Evinrude gasoline tanks pretty close to a mile. This was before the day
of built-in tanks on small outboard runabouts.

There was no marina at the beach where I moored my boat, so I had to run
the boat a few miles down to another beach, where I could anchor and
carry the cans up to a Sunoco station. Carrying them back took awhile,
with plenty of rest stops. I don't recall the numbers, but I guess each
can weighed about 60# full. I didn't do it often, though! If I had the
fuel, I'd make the run from our cove to my father's marina in Milford,
where I had a key to the fuel pumps. :)

Gas was about 20 cents a gallon in those days.

Anyone remember Amoco "white" gas?

Where I live now, the cheapest gas usually is available at a WaWa
station. My little 21-footer holds 100 gallons.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 14:57:13 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:32:04 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

Carrying gas down to the docks gets old real fast.
True.
Not to mention the hazards involved. Plus, It's time consuming and
Only unavoidable hazard is a sore back. You have the body to handle
it, or not. See below.
you get to smell like raw gas when you are done.
Only if you carelessly spill it.
All this to save $2.50 per Jerry Jug full of gas
Is it worth it? Ante up fellas or find another hobby.
Worth it? Maybe not.

Get a yoke like the ones used by third worlders to carry two buckets
of water. Puts the weight on the shoulders instead of the hands. Holds
the cans away from the body so that they don't hit the outside of the
knees.

My boat[175 hp 22 ft cuddy] has the fill openings on the sides of the
boat, and without a really complicated funnel, you can't fuel from
cans while underway, or on the trailer. Maybe one side if alongside a
dock.

Casady

If your marina will allow it, this looks like a good way to save some of
the cost of gas. At about $380 it would take a while to pay for itself, but
then again maybe not, if you do a lot of boating.

http://tinyurl.com/4qynke

Here's another version at a little more than half the price.

http://tinyurl.com/4tn2ge

Here's the catalog page with the details.

http://tinyurl.com/3efycb

--
John *H*

Richard Casady writes:

My boat[175 hp 22 ft cuddy] has the fill openings on the sides
of the boat, and without a really complicated funnel, you can't
fuel from cans while underway, or on the trailer. Maybe one side
if alongside a dock.


Most cars have gas filler necks on the rear quarter panel. When
I was racing, we used fuel jugs like this:

http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro...p?Product=2558

with hoses like this (we called them "donkey dicks") attached:

http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro....asp?RecId=729

and they worked just fine.



Geoff

--
"As for this week's Clinton complaints, I imagine
Mrs. Thatcher would bop her on the head with her
purse." -- Peggy Noonan

Jim writes:

Carrying gas down to the docks gets old real fast.

Doesn't everybody who keeps a boat at a marina have one of these?:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zdgmf

If not, *why* not?


Not to mention the hazards involved.

How is pouring gas from a jerrycan any more hazardous than pouring
it from a gas pump hose? It's more awkward, granted (gas is heavy),
but that's a different matter entirely.


Plus, It's time consuming and you get to smell like raw gas when
you are done.

Feh. When I was racing (SCCA), I poured fuel from jugs like these
all the time:

http://www.atlanticjetsports.com/fue...&_carriers.htm

I don't remember ever spilling gasoline or getting any on my hands.


All this to save $2.50 per Jerry Jug full of gas. Is it worth it?

Depends on the individual: what sort of boat he has, whether he keeps
it in the water or on a trailer, and how much boating he does. It's
the sort of thing about which rasonable people can differ.



Geoff

--
"As for this week's Clinton complaints, I imagine
Mrs. Thatcher would bop her on the head with her
purse." -- Peggy Noonan

"Geoff Miller" wrote in message
news


Jim writes:

Carrying gas down to the docks gets old real fast.

Doesn't everybody who keeps a boat at a marina have one of these?:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zdgmf

If not, *why* not?

Link doesn't seem to be working.



Not to mention the hazards involved.

A hazzardous condition exists while transporting gasoline in the trunk of
the car. A hazzardous condition exists when pouring gasoline while standing
on a shaky finger pier. A hazzardous condition exists when trying to load
gas cans over the gunnel onto the deck which you just can't seem to reach. A
hazzardous condition exists when the guy on the next boat is enjoying a
cigarette while watching you fuel up, or maybe he decides to fire up the
barbee.

How is pouring gas from a jerrycan any more hazardous than pouring
it from a gas pump hose? It's more awkward, granted (gas is heavy),
but that's a different matter entirely.

A handy little lever on the pump nozzle safely starts and stops the flow of
gasoline after the nozzle is inserted into the fill hose. The nozzle is much
easier to handle than a 35 pound gas can. The spouts on gas cans seem to
want to leak at the most inappropriate time. It is virtually impossible to
withdraw a partially full gas can without some spillage.


Plus, It's time consuming and you get to smell like raw gas when
you are done.

Feh. When I was racing (SCCA), I poured fuel from jugs like these
all the time:

http://www.atlanticjetsports.com/fue...&_carriers.htm

I don't remember ever spilling gasoline or getting any on my hands.

Have you ever tried filling a boat from these cans? Why are the cans so
expensive?



All this to save $2.50 per Jerry Jug full of gas. Is it worth it?

Depends on the individual: what sort of boat he has, whether he keeps
it in the water or on a trailer, and how much boating he does. It's
the sort of thing about which rasonable people can differ.

Reasonable people certainly can have differences; but not on wrecked boats
;-)




Geoff

--
"As for this week's Clinton complaints, I imagine
Mrs. Thatcher would bop her on the head with her
purse." -- Peggy Noonan

Jim writes:

A hazzardous condition exists while transporting gasoline in
the trunk of the car.

So can we take it that you're terrified when you bring home gas
in a jug for your lawnmower, then? Do you wear one of those
shiny silver suits with the tinted window in the hood, like
airport crash crews wear, while you're behind the wheel?

Gee, all my racing friends and I never realized that we were
taking out very lives in our hands by transporting several jugs
of gasoline to the track at a time in our tow vehicles. Oh, the
humanity!


A hazzardous condition exists when pouring gasoline while standing
on a shaky finger pier.

But not while boarding or disembarking from a boat with other
items in you hands while standing on a shaky finger pier?


A hazzardous condition exists when trying to load gas cans over
the gunnel [sic] onto the deck which you just can't seem to reach.

But not when you're trying to load whatever other, usual stuff you
bring aboard over the gunwale onto the deck which you just can't
seem to reach?

Perhaps this is a "boat too far from the dock" problem and not a
"gasoline in jugs" problem, and it could easily be addressed by
simply *pulling the boat closer?* That always worked for me.

Maybe you do your boating in some Lovecraftian universe with
non-Euclidian geometry, where such a straightforward approach
wouldn't apply. "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl
fhtan!"


A hazzardous condition exists when the guy on the next boat is
enjoying a cigarette while watching you fuel up, or maybe he
decides to fire up the barbee.

Well then, *look around* and see if something like that is happening
before you begin, and pay attention to what's going on nearby while
you're fueling. Anyone who has such a weak sense of situational
awareness that he wouldn't notice such things has no business boating
to begin with, I'm confident you'd agree. Would *you* want to share
the waterways with such a person? Didn't think so.

You could even move the boat to the fuel dock or some other open area
if it would make you feel better. There's no cosmic law that says this
has to be done in your slip. In fact, I never even suggested that,
necessarily.


: How is pouring gas from a jerrycan any more hazardous than pouring
: it from a gas pump hose? It's more awkward, granted (gas is heavy),
: but that's a different matter entirely.

A handy little lever on the pump nozzle safely starts and stops the
flow of gasoline after the nozzle is inserted into the fill hose.

Hoses for fuel jugs with shutoff valves on them are both available
and effective. I've used them.


The nozzle is much easier to handle than a 35 pound gas can.

If you'd rather pay out the nose for gas from a fuel dock than heft
a few fuel jugs, it's certainly your call. Although I have to say
that if you can't life 35 pounds, this is a "physical fitness" problem
and not a "fuel jug" problem. Maybe your wife could help you. *grin*


The spouts on gas cans seem to want to leak at the most inappropriate
time.

Not on the jugs I've used while racing. But then, they weren't $5.00
specials from the neighborhood auto-parts emporium.


It is virtually impossible to withdraw a partially full gas can without
some spillage.

The horror! You mean you've never had a little bit of gasoline come
out your tank vents while filling from a nozzle?

Actually, you should know the capacity of your fuel tank, be able to see
how full it is from the gas gauge, and thereby easily be able to estimate
how much gas it'll take to fill it. As you approach that volume, start
lowering the jug to reduce the flow rate. This is a problem...why?


Have you ever tried filling a boat from these cans?

Not yet. Until now, gasoline wasn't so expensive that it ever occurred
to me. Then again, I've fuelled race cars with them, and I really don't
see that the fuel jug is going to know or care what kind of vehicle it's
being used to fuel, do you?


Why are the cans so expensive?

It's the cost of materials. It's apparent from the picture that they're
sturdy, with thick walls, and have a lot of plastic in them.


: Depends on the individual: what sort of boat he has, whether he keeps
: it in the water or on a trailer, and how much boating he does. It's
: the sort of thing about which rasonable people can differ.

Reasonable people certainly can have differences; but not on wrecked
boats ;-)

You haven't made much of a case that wrecked boats are a significant
possibility. Indeed, you're grasping at straws and are arguing just
to argue. If you were really as concerned about "hazardous conditions"
as you're pretneding to be, you'd be afraid to set foot outside your
house, much less go out on the water.



Geoff

--
"The problem isn't that Johnny can't read. The problem isn't
even that Johnny can't think. The problem is that Johnny
doesn't know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling."
-- Thomas Sowell

"Geoff Miller" wrote in message
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Have you ever tried filling a boat from these cans?

Not yet. Until now, gasoline wasn't so expensive that it ever occurred
to me. Then again, I've fuelled race cars with them, and I really don't
see that the fuel jug is going to know or care what kind of vehicle it's
being used to fuel, do you?

Geoff

Come back and tell us how it went. Up until now, you have no basis for an
informed opinion. And, oh yeah, you have some anger management issues.

"Jim" wrote in
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"Geoff Miller" wrote in message
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Have you ever tried filling a boat from these cans?

Not yet. Until now, gasoline wasn't so expensive that it ever
occurred to me. Then again, I've fuelled race cars with them, and I
really don't see that the fuel jug is going to know or care what kind
of vehicle it's being used to fuel, do you?

Geoff

Come back and tell us how it went. Up until now, you have no basis for
an informed opinion. And, oh yeah, you have some anger management
issues.



Watching jetskiiers refuel several times on saturday from jugs, it's
amazing more haven't exploded in flames....(c;