Chinese boat crap
 

Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:49:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.

Test them with a magnet. Real SS isn't magnetic.

If it's magnetic, it's probably imported.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 20, 9:49*pm, wrote:
Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. *My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. *My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 21, 3:17 pm, wrote:

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.

At those prices you get a dozen against one.
That means one with 11 replacements
In the real world the Chinese fittings are no better or worse than any
made in any other country..

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 20, 11:18*pm, george wrote:
On Apr 21, 3:17 pm, wrote:

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.

At those prices you get a dozen against one.
That means one with 11 replacements
In the real world the Chinese fittings are no better or worse than any
made in any other country..

That's true, but the diffeence is in the quality of steel.

I have found that out the hard way with Heavy diesel armature shafts.

Even if you get them with heat treated splines, they still bend,
twist, or break.

I don't think the chinese know what a "Rockewell Standard" is...

Chinese boat crap
 

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:44:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 20, 11:18?pm, george wrote:
On Apr 21, 3:17 pm, wrote:

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. ?Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.

At those prices you get a dozen against one.
That means one with 11 replacements
In the real world the Chinese fittings are no better or worse than any
made in any other country..

That's true, but the diffeence is in the quality of steel.

I have found that out the hard way with Heavy diesel armature shafts.

Even if you get them with heat treated splines, they still bend,
twist, or break.

I don't think the chinese know what a "Rockewell Standard" is...

Hey, that reminds me. Spent my first few years out of the Navy as a
heat treater at IH. The bull work, not the technical or QC part.
But we understood it had to be done according to the process.
Heating, quenching, drawing. Sometimes carbonizing with compound.
Hot job!
Later I was in Oregon and got a job at Beaverton Heat Treating, which
was a newly started operation out in the sticks. The owner liked me,
and started mentoring me right off on the technical end.
He was disappointed when I told him I was leaving after 2 weeks,
and I felt so bad for him I told him he could keep my pay, which was
on 2 week holdback. Didn't feel I'd earned it, given his efforts with
me and the actual work I'd done. But he insisted on paying me.
Nice guy, and I hope he made it work. Pretty sure he did.
What got me to quit was the vats of molten cyanide, and boredom with
the work. He had mostly small lot orders and too much dead time,
making it boring. That cyanide ain't pretty, and when you have dead
time you get to thinking about it.
At IH I did many tons of metal a day and had salt stains down to my
socks from sweating so I never got bored. And no cyanide.
But proper heat treating is critical, though most people never think
about it. Need lots of "attention to detail."

--Vic

Chinese boat crap
 

Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:18 pm, george wrote:
On Apr 21, 3:17 pm, wrote:

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.
At those prices you get a dozen against one.
That means one with 11 replacements
In the real world the Chinese fittings are no better or worse than any
made in any other country..

That's true, but the diffeence is in the quality of steel.

I have found that out the hard way with Heavy diesel armature shafts.

Even if you get them with heat treated splines, they still bend,
twist, or break.

I don't think the chinese know what a "Rockewell Standard" is...

If they do, they probably don't care enough to meet it for exports
heading to the USA. Anything, I mean ANYTHING I find with the made "In
China" label, goes back on the shelf.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. *My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
are magnetic - which means they will rust.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 21, 5:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:





On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:

On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. *My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it *really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

evidently not higher quality enough.

surgical wingnuts?

hmmm, could their be a market for them?

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 21, 4:28*am, DownTime wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:18 pm, george wrote:
On Apr 21, 3:17 pm, wrote:

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.
At those prices you get a dozen against one.
That means one with 11 replacements
In the real world the Chinese fittings are no better or worse than any
made in any other country..

That's true, but the diffeence is in the quality of steel.

I have found that out the hard way with Heavy diesel armature shafts.

Even if you get them with heat treated splines, they still bend,
twist, or break.

I don't think the chinese know what a "Rockewell Standard" is...

If they do, they probably don't care enough to meet it for exports
heading to the USA. Anything, I mean ANYTHING I find with the made "In
China" label, goes back on the shelf.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What about the money that the U.S. of A is borrowing from none other
than China to fund the ridiculous war with Iraq?

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 21, 12:44*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:18*pm, george wrote:

On Apr 21, 3:17 pm, wrote:

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.

At those prices you get a dozen against one.
That means one with 11 replacements
In the real world the Chinese fittings are no better or worse than any
made in any other country..

That's true, but the diffeence is in the quality of steel.

I have found that out the hard way with Heavy diesel armature shafts.

Even if you get them with heat treated splines, they still bend,
twist, or break.

I don't think the chinese know what a "Rockewell Standard" is...

No, because they use different standards.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:26:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Heavy diesel armature shafts.

WTF?

Casady

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 21, 10:47*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:26:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Heavy diesel armature shafts.

WTF?

Casady

If you want to know WTF, perhaps you should attribute the quote to the
proper person, first of all.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:20:19 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:02:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:49:19 -0700 (PDT),
|wrote:
|
|Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
|more but I know they are real SS.
|
|Test them with a magnet. Real SS isn't magnetic.
|
|If it's magnetic, it's probably imported.

It might be slightly magnetic, if it is a 400 or 600 series
(martensitic) stainless. (Example: 440C-Buck knife blade.)

Good point.

Fasteners, though, should probably be a 300 series and be
non-magnetic, since the 400 series is less resistant to corrosion.

Well, I have not had good luck with magnetic stainless - rusts
eventually and has to be replaced.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
| ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. *My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it *really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.

Chinese boat crap
 

On Apr 21, 10:58*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns





wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
| ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff..
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. *My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it *really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

very good point, indeed!

Chinese boat crap
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for
my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy
looking
| ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15
years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best
you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at
Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.

You do have a good point, but it's messing your hair. 8-)

Chinese boat crap
 

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:06:33 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for
my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy
looking
| ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15
years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best
you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at
Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.

You do have a good point, but it's messing your hair. 8-)

Mess this Hair Boy. :)

Chinese boat crap
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

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$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
are magnetic - which means they will rust.

Not necessarily. Lots of stainless is magnetic. Austenite is the only one
not magnetic and it can become magnetic when cold worked. Also even 310
will rust if heated red hot and then cooled. Lets the carbides precipitate
out. I have a very nice stainless gazing ball stand I made for SWMBO.
Where I had to heat it to get some tight bends, it does show some rust.

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:53:24 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
are magnetic - which means they will rust.

Not necessarily. Lots of stainless is magnetic. Austenite is the only one
not magnetic and it can become magnetic when cold worked. Also even 310
will rust if heated red hot and then cooled. Lets the carbides precipitate
out. I have a very nice stainless gazing ball stand I made for SWMBO.
Where I had to heat it to get some tight bends, it does show some rust.

Didn't know that, but these screws were never cold worked that I know
of - supposedly not anyway.

The odd thing is that the original screws/bolts/etc are not magnetic -
the rusted ones are.

I am not sure what ACE hardware store you buy from, but I manage the hardware department of one and I have never charged a $1.10 + for a stainless steel wingnut (1/4-20). We stock Hillman Fasteners in bulk and I would say (not at work right this minute) that at the most they might price at @ $0.45 each. We offer a huge selection of bulk fasteners and yes they do cost more - but our key is that we have hardware the Big Box stores can't even contemplate stocking. We sell by the piece or by the box (with a discount of 20% for full boxes). Charging a bit more allows us to afford to stock such a large variety...

Andy

p.s., Sorry folks, we don't ship... lol

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:03:59 +0100, Andym
wrote:

I am not sure what ACE hardware store you buy from, but I manage the
hardware department of one and I have never charged a $1.10 + for a
stainless steel wingnut (1/4-20).

ACE hardware - Danielson, CT - $1.15.

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:03:59 +0100, Andym
wrote:

but our key is that we have
hardware the Big Box stores can't even contemplate stocking.

Not even Home Depot?

Heresy. :)

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On Apr 22, 8:56*am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:23:58 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:03:59 +0100, Andym
wrote:

I am not sure what ACE hardware store you buy from, but I manage the
hardware department of one and I have never charged a $1.10 + for a
stainless steel wingnut (1/4-20).
ACE hardware - Danielson, CT *- $1.15.

I very recently bought 5 stainless wignuts at an Ace in CT. Slightly larger than
1/4-20, but not much. They were $1.30 each. The cashier gasped at the price I
had written on the little bag, and asked if they were actually 30 cents. When I
told him the price was correct as I had written it, he shook his head and rang
them up.

That must be some wig...needs five nuts to hold it on! *:)

Our local John Deere, Stihl, Husqvarna dealer is part of a nice, locally
owned hardware store that charges rational prices for pieces and parts,
and specializes in fasteners. I always shop there first, and avoid the
"chain" stores if I can.

In the good old days when Connecticut was an industrial powerhouse,
there was a place up the road from my father's land-based boat store
that had every fastener imaginable. It was called Roberts, Corozier and
Ballou, or something close to that. It was a huge, warehouse operation
and supplied all the manufacturers in the area, including Sikorsky.
You could find any damned bits and pieces you needed there. I'm sure it
is long gone by now.- Hide quoted text -

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Of course it's not there now. It never was.

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hk wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:23:58 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:03:59 +0100, Andym
wrote:

I am not sure what ACE hardware store you buy from, but I manage the
hardware department of one and I have never charged a $1.10 + for a
stainless steel wingnut (1/4-20).
ACE hardware - Danielson, CT - $1.15.

I very recently bought 5 stainless wignuts at an Ace in CT. Slightly
larger than
1/4-20, but not much. They were $1.30 each. The cashier gasped at the
price I
had written on the little bag, and asked if they were actually 30
cents. When I
told him the price was correct as I had written it, he shook his head
and rang
them up.


That must be some wig...needs five nuts to hold it on! :)

Our local John Deere, Stihl, Husqvarna dealer is part of a nice, locally
owned hardware store that charges rational prices for pieces and parts,
and specializes in fasteners. I always shop there first, and avoid the
"chain" stores if I can.

In the good old days when Connecticut was an industrial powerhouse,
there was a place up the road from my father's land-based boat store
that had every fastener imaginable. It was called Roberts, Corozier and
Ballou, or something close to that. It was a huge, warehouse operation
and supplied all the manufacturers in the area, including Sikorsky.
You could find any damned bits and pieces you needed there. I'm sure it
is long gone by now.



Actually, "Crozier" would be closer to the speeeeeling...

In those days, the old Boston Post Road between New Haven and
Bridgeport, Connecticut, was *the* place to be if you were in the
manufacturing or manufacturing supplier biz. Many of the big companies
had plants there, and the area employed a huge workforce of skilled men
and women. Guns, machine tools, electronics, helicopters, you name it,
and they were making it there. No more, sad to say.

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:40:06 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:23:58 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:03:59 +0100, Andym
wrote:

I am not sure what ACE hardware store you buy from, but I manage the
hardware department of one and I have never charged a $1.10 + for a
stainless steel wingnut (1/4-20).

ACE hardware - Danielson, CT - $1.15.

I very recently bought 5 stainless wignuts at an Ace in CT. Slightly larger than
1/4-20, but not much. They were $1.30 each. The cashier gasped at the price I
had written on the little bag, and asked if they were actually 30 cents. When I
told him the price was correct as I had written it, he shook his head and rang
them up.

Now that Fastenal has moved into retailing, I've found they are really
good wth various nuts, bolts and such in SS.

At least around here.

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Thirty years in the Auto/Electric business, I have coffee cans
absolutely full of just about every bolt, nut, and little screw that I
could ever ask for. That type of hardware is really on the bottom of
my shopping list.

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On Apr 22, 10:32*pm, Tim wrote:
Thirty years in the Auto/Electric business, I have coffee cans
absolutely full of just about every bolt, nut, and little screw that I
could ever ask for. That type of hardware is really on the bottom of
my shopping list.

Same here, I save my stuff. It's in my heritage! Growing up in farm
country certainly had it's avantages. One thing, I can fix
anything.... if it broke, you fixed it, simple as that. I remember my
uncle went to an auction and came home with a few crates of nuts and
bolts, all fine thread! Those fine thread bolts and nuts ended up
holding a lot of stuff together! I'm not as bad as he was, though,
he'd save bent nails!

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On Apr 23, 7:58*am, wrote:

I'm not as bad as he was, though,
he'd save bent nails!


now, that's a bit over the top.....

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On Apr 23, 1:47*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:58*am, wrote:

*I'm not as bad as he was, though,

he'd save bent nails!

now, that's a bit over the top.....

Well, it's not boat crap but I bought an areator for my tractor from
sears the other day, brought it back in hours, what a piece of ****.
Runny paint, sharp edges, cracked welds, and it did not even attach to
the tractor at all so I brought it back. They put a half price sticker
on it and put it back on the sales floor as clearance. So they were
willing to charge me 150 and the next day resell it for 75, unused..
Sears sucks too, back to Walmart for me.. At least I don't have to pay
an arm and a leg for cheap chinese ****...

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On Apr 23, 1:47*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:58*am, wrote:

*I'm not as bad as he was, though,

he'd save bent nails!

now, that's a bit over the top.....

Oh, yeah, it was almost like he was obsessed with being frugal! But,
he built some cool stuff! He made his own fold down camper with a pick
up truck rear end with gears removed, some channel iron, plywood,
canvas, and bent conduit. It worked like a champ! Now the funny thing
was somewhere, who know an auction, or whatever, he had freakin' BAGS
of heavy duty zippers. He sowed his the canvas and made window, using
the zippers, there were zippers in that camper of every color of
rainbow!

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:55:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 23, 1:47?pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:58?am, wrote:

?I'm not as bad as he was, though,

he'd save bent nails!

now, that's a bit over the top.....

Oh, yeah, it was almost like he was obsessed with being frugal! But,
he built some cool stuff! He made his own fold down camper with a pick
up truck rear end with gears removed, some channel iron, plywood,
canvas, and bent conduit. It worked like a champ! Now the funny thing
was somewhere, who know an auction, or whatever, he had freakin' BAGS
of heavy duty zippers. He sowed his the canvas and made window, using
the zippers, there were zippers in that camper of every color of
rainbow!

Good for him, not throwing useful stuff away.
I was lucky when I bought my last house from a retired carpenter.
He left me a million different fasteners and fixtures in the basement.
Coffee can heaven. And a good bit of oak lumber too of various
millings.
All I has to add was the machine and pipe thread fittings and I was an
instant carpenter/plumber/nechanic for that big old house.

--Vic

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