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Pulling boat out with FWD
I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using
my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert |
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On Apr 1, 12:36*pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert A big variable with front wheel drive cars is the incline of the ramp. If the ramp is steep you'll get less traction. Other variables are total weight of boat, tongue weight, what the ramp is (concrete, gravel, etc) and whether it's generally slippery when wet, etc. I've got a ramp I use that in the morning before it gets used alot is fine, after it gets a good soaking from boats being pulled it gets slippery. |
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On Apr 1, 9:52*am, Reno wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:fab14a43-6d55-44ce-afa4- : I also carried a tow rope just in case but never needed it. Note - there probably is no where to attach a tow rope on a Vue that won't cause suspension or ody damage. I guess I was just going to wrap it around the frame that runs across in front of the engine. I think if I got stuck it wouldn't take much additional force to pull me out. The Vue would still provide 90% of the force, it would probably just need an little extra umph to get rolling (at least that's the logic I'm using). The traction control could give you some trouble - most of those systems reduce engine power if a wheel slips and that could get you in trouble if a ramp is slippery and you need a small bit of wheel spin to get up. Ah, I'll dig out the manual and find out which of the 3 "drive modes" I should use. That's a good point that the traction control may be bad. -Robert |
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On Apr 1, 9:53*am, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT), Robert M. Gary penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: How big is the boat....? I'm having trouble figuing that out. I have all the original paperwork for the boat/trailer combo (2003). As best as I can figure the combo weights something around 2700 lbs dry. The capacity of the VUE with a class II hitch is 3500lbs (I believe all class II's are limited to 3,500lbs). I have a class III installed but the manufactor doesn't list a tow capacity for class III so I'm just working on the same 3,500 lbs. The main benefit of the class III is that its easier to find accessories for it (although class II's seem to be becoming more common with SUVs). -Robert |
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote
hopefully it won't be an issue I never had ramp trouble with my Taurus wagon. |
Pulling boat out with FWD
Please post a follow up to let us know how you did.
I used to tow my 19' bowrider with I/O (about 2500 pounds) with a 1998 Olds Silhouette without a problem. I'm sure that I was at max weight for the minivan, if not over. wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 12:36 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert A big variable with front wheel drive cars is the incline of the ramp. If the ramp is steep you'll get less traction. Other variables are total weight of boat, tongue weight, what the ramp is (concrete, gravel, etc) and whether it's generally slippery when wet, etc. I've got a ramp I use that in the morning before it gets used alot is fine, after it gets a good soaking from boats being pulled it gets slippery. |
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On Apr 1, 2:37*pm, "D-unit" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. *I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. *Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). *It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. *I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. *I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. Check the ramp when it's wet and see if it's slippery. Some ramps are pretty good even when wet, some slippery as hell! |
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On Apr 1, 1:47*pm, wrote:
On Apr 1, 2:37*pm, "D-unit" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. *I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. *Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). *It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. *I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. *I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. Check the ramp when it's wet and see if it's slippery. Some ramps are pretty good even when wet, some slippery as hell! One time up at the mouth of the CT River (Baldwin Bridge ramp) the tide had brought in a very thick layer of slippery sea vegatation, it was literally like ice, and two inches thick up the ramp and out yards into the water. My Jeep Wrangler had pretty aggressive tires and I almost slid back into the water a couple of times with a very light, wooden skiff and trailer, probably less than 1000 pounds. Got water in over the door openings, I would have been on the news if I had been driving a front wheel drive, near it's towing capacity. Now, I am not telling the guy not to do it, but he will need to use his head, even if someday it might mean waiting some to load up, or being ready to say, "not this ramp, not today, where else can we put in?". Of course if he can afford it, a good winch on the front bumper might be a lifesaver too. Scotty |
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On Apr 1, 2:37*pm, "D-unit" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. *I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. *Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). *It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. *I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. *I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. See my above post... Wind = wet ramp, lot's of traffic does too. Washed up vegitation, mud, and anything else you can think of makes for what you are calling "wet ramp", too...;) |
Pulling boat out with FWD
Are you going to tow with this car often? See if someone makes a front
hitch for it. Or, yo can get a weight distributing hitch and put some of the weight back on the front wheels. I towed a 1500lb boat and trailer with a FWD car and had little issues. Just do not apply to much gas. |
Pulling boat out with FWD
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. |
Pulling boat out with FWD
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert One big problem with the front wheel drive is... the tongue weight way back on your hitch makes the front end of the tow vehicle lighter....reducing traction. I towed a 2200lb sailboat/trailer combo with a Plymouth Voyager 3.0 liter V6 and 3 speed auto transmission without problem. As others said...any seaweed exposed at low tide must be raked to the side. |
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote: I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I pulled a 15' Whaler with a VW Jetta for about three years. It pulled it very well, and never had a problem getting the boat out of the water. Usually the pavement is dry where the front wheels are, so you're not fighting slick stuff. If I were you, I'd not worry about the front wheel drive bit too much. -- John *H* (Not the other one!) |
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On Apr 1, 3:51*pm, "D-unit" wrote:
wrote in ... On Apr 1, 2:37 pm, "D-unit" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. See my above post... Wind = wet ramp, lot's of traffic does too. Washed up vegitation, mud, and anything else you can think of makes for what you are calling "wet ramp", too...;) Sliding back down the ramp into the water is not a pleasant thought. db- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OH, it sucks, lemme' tell ya' ;) |
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote: I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. Well, think about it. You have 3,000 lbs hanging off the back with 4/500 lbs of tongue weight on a incline that might be slippery with vegetation, water, etc. The weight of a small engine over the wheels isn't going to make much of a difference. Add in how much time you have on the tires, the tread pattern, etc. I don't know about the Vue, but it probably has "traction" control - you might want to check if you can turn it off because if you can't, you will lose engine power if the tires start to slip and you wont' be going anywhere. The chances of having problems is very high given the right circumstances. I could go off on a towing rant here, but I will refrain. I'm adopting a new philosophy - to each their own. :) |
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wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 2:37 pm, "D-unit" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. See my above post... Wind = wet ramp, lot's of traffic does too. Washed up vegitation, mud, and anything else you can think of makes for what you are calling "wet ramp", too...;) Sliding back down the ramp into the water is not a pleasant thought. db |
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On Apr 1, 3:50*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 1, 12:36*pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert A big variable with front wheel drive cars is the incline of the ramp. If the ramp is steep you'll get less traction. Other variables are total weight of boat, tongue weight, what the ramp is (concrete, gravel, etc) and whether it's generally slippery when wet, etc. I've got a ramp I use that in the morning before it gets used alot is fine, after it gets a good soaking from boats being pulled it gets slippery. New construction ramps are now all grooved at a 90 degree angle to the water's edge - you've be surprised at what a difference that can make towing a boat up a ramp out of the water even when wet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The day I slid back I was at Baldwin Bridge, at the mouth of the CT River, beautiful cement ramp, slotted, grooved, studded with metal grip plates.. But with 2 inches of that sea grass, I might have well been on a hockey rink, a tilted one Like I said, street tires, I would have been swimming, had some pretty aggressive tires on the jeep back then. |
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On Apr 1, 4:25*pm, wrote:
On Apr 1, 3:50*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 1, 12:36*pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires.. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert A big variable with front wheel drive cars is the incline of the ramp. If the ramp is steep you'll get less traction. Other variables are total weight of boat, tongue weight, what the ramp is (concrete, gravel, etc) and whether it's generally slippery when wet, etc. I've got a ramp I use that in the morning before it gets used alot is fine, after it gets a good soaking from boats being pulled it gets slippery. New construction ramps are now all grooved at a 90 degree angle to the water's edge - you've be surprised at what a difference that can make towing a boat up a ramp out of the water even when wet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The day I slid back I was at Baldwin Bridge, at the mouth of the CT River, beautiful cement ramp, slotted, grooved, studded with metal grip plates.. But with 2 inches of that sea grass, I might have well been on a hockey rink, a tilted one *Like I said, street tires, I would have been swimming, had some pretty aggressive tires on the jeep back then.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - True story. Lake Center Hill, TN. The lake gets lowered a LOT by the TVA in the fall. The place where we stay when we go in Oct for an annual fishing trip with some GA guys and some Cleveland guys has a ramp that is nice when the water is high, but the part that is still in the water in Oct. is steep as hell! My first time there, I've got my Jeep Cherokee with boat attached. All of the guys are out fishing, they got there the day before. I look at that ramp and think JEEBUS! But, then I think hell, my buddy Paul's boat is much heavier than mine and he musta put his in okay...... So, I back 'er down the ramp, and the trailer is so steep that I have to let out a LOT of winch strap and the boat is out in the middle. I pull it back with a bow rope, then pull my jeep and trailer out. Later all of the guys are back, fire is going, drinking a beer and eating. I said something about that damned ramp. Paul says you didn't put your boat in there yourself did you?? Yep, I did. The office has a four wheel drive tractor with that they put them in with for you when the water is that low!! |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary" wrote: I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. Well, think about it. You have 3,000 lbs hanging off the back with 4/500 lbs of tongue weight on a incline that might be slippery with vegetation, water, etc. The weight of a small engine over the wheels isn't going to make much of a difference. Add in how much time you have on the tires, the tread pattern, etc. I don't know about the Vue, but it probably has "traction" control - you might want to check if you can turn it off because if you can't, you will lose engine power if the tires start to slip and you wont' be going anywhere. The chances of having problems is very high given the right circumstances. I could go off on a towing rant here, but I will refrain. I'm adopting a new philosophy - to each their own. :) This might be a good site to dig around in... http://trailerboats.com/output.cfm?id=1199251 |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. I tow my boat, ~1500 including trailer, with my wifes FWD Freestyle. Never've had a problem. Always open the hatch so I can back down less like a snake and engage parking break when on the ramp. I would recommend the first time to back down into the water like you are going to launch and then trying to get back up the ramp, that way you'll know before launching if you're screwed or not. sam |
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JimH wrote:
"D-unit" wrote in message ... "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. After purchasing our 20 footer mid season and 1/2 season of trailering it I soon got tired of the lines at the ramps, folks who could not back a trailer in, discourteous people and generally the PITA trailering is. The next season we leased a dock and have done so since then. It is worth every dollar. Fortunately, the two ramps I use around here are frequented mainly by fisherguys, and they launch and retrieve with aplomb. Once in a while, there's a slow poke who messes the rhythm. Same was true in NE Florida, but there were a lot more public ramps down there, so the waits were never annoying. |
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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:03:30 -0500, "Sam Hayes Merritt, III"
wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. I tow my boat, ~1500 including trailer, with my wifes FWD Freestyle. Never've had a problem. Always open the hatch so I can back down less like a snake and engage parking break when on the ramp. I would recommend the first time to back down into the water like you are going to launch and then trying to get back up the ramp, that way you'll know before launching if you're screwed or not. Hey Sam - did you ever solve that name based RBL scoring problem you had with dnsbl.m4 in Sendmail? |
Pulling boat out with FWD
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "D-unit" wrote in message ... "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. After purchasing our 20 footer mid season and 1/2 season of trailering it I soon got tired of the lines at the ramps, folks who could not back a trailer in, discourteous people and generally the PITA trailering is. The next season we leased a dock and have done so since then. It is worth every dollar. Fortunately, the two ramps I use around here are frequented mainly by fisherguys, and they launch and retrieve with aplomb. Once in a while, there's a slow poke who messes the rhythm. Same was true in NE Florida, but there were a lot more public ramps down there, so the waits were never annoying. We were not used to trailering based on having seasonal docks for all but one (our first boat) of our previous boats. We find having a seasonal dock a bit more expensive and results in more maintenance, but fits our boating style. Trailing is not it. ;-) If I were a fresh water boater, I might dock my Parker...but salt water, sunshine and air pollution are really tough on boat finishes. |
Pulling boat out with FWD
"Ernest Scribbler" wrote
I never had ramp trouble with my Taurus wagon. This is the boat I used to tow with the wagon: http://blizzard.zmm.com/thunderbird/rearview.jpg The manufacturer lists the approximate weight as 2750 pounds. I never weighed it, but I figure with trailer, fuel, and the usual stuff, I was well into the 3K range. I'm on the Kanawha River in WV and most of the ramps are fairly steep, but generally clean and dry like this one: http://home.comcast.net/~blizzard3/b...s/pocaramp.jpg (Now I have a big pickup and a 1500 pound boat. Go figure.) |
Pulling boat out with FWD
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:36:43 -0400, "JimH" wrote:
"D-unit" wrote in message ... "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. After purchasing our 20 footer mid season and 1/2 season of trailering it I soon got tired of the lines at the ramps, folks who could not back a trailer in, discourteous people and generally the PITA trailering is. The next season we leased a dock and have done so since then. It is worth every dollar. But you're limited to one body of water. Trailering allows me to easily use the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, Rappahannock River, and Lake Anna, all within an hour's drive. If I want to drive for three hours, I can be in the Atlantic. That's a big reason for trailering. -- John *H* (Not the other one!) |
Pulling boat out with FWD
On Apr 1, 12:47*pm, wrote:
On Apr 1, 2:37*pm, "D-unit" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. *I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. *Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). *It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. *I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. *I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. Check the ramp when it's wet and see if it's slippery. Some ramps are pretty good even when wet, some slippery as hell!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tahts one thing about Lake Carlyle, they Army corps of Engineers keeps the ramps in great shape. they're rough concrete with lines stricked across them for good tire grip. wet as all get-out, I've never had a tire slip yet. and that's pulling out a 23' Marquis with a '90 Mercury wagon. |
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On Apr 1, 2:45*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary" wrote: I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. Well, think about it. *You have 3,000 lbs hanging off the back with 4/500 lbs of tongue weight on a incline that might be slippery with vegetation, water, etc. *The weight of a small engine over the wheels isn't going to make much of a difference. *Add in how much time you have on the tires, the tread pattern, etc. *I don't know about the Vue, but it probably has "traction" control - you might want to check if you can turn it off because if you can't, you will lose engine power if the tires start to slip and you wont' be going anywhere. The chances of having problems is very high given the right circumstances. I could go off on a towing rant here, but I will refrain. I'm adopting a new philosophy - to each their own. :) I'm always amazed at how people will try to pull a boat or trailer wih a car half the size of the boat. I was always leary of vehicle makers *maximum* tow ratings. too many decieving circumstances involved. 3500 lb tow rate? "OK, lets tow 3500 lb.s hey no problem, can't do over 45 but thats ok, OH man, theres a school bus stopping in front of me! I thought this thing had brakes!" or... 3500 lb. on a flat paved surface in the dry. now lets tow uphill from a wet loading ramp with a now amplified 3500 lb from a dead stop. now it's more like 4500 lb. Well, pay your dues, take your chances. |
Pulling boat out with FWD
On Apr 1, 9:36*am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
Well I pulled it out without a problem. The ramp was amazingly shallow though. Its a 4 lane ramp but no one was there so I took the two middle lanes (extra space ;) ) . Unfortunately it doesn't appear there is any way to launch or recover the boat without walking in water because the ramp is so shallow there. -Robert |
Pulling boat out with FWD
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:15:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Apr 1, 12:47*pm, wrote: On Apr 1, 2:37*pm, "D-unit" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. *I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. *Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). *It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. *I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. *I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. Check the ramp when it's wet and see if it's slippery. Some ramps are pretty good even when wet, some slippery as hell!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tahts one thing about Lake Carlyle, they Army corps of Engineers keeps the ramps in great shape. they're rough concrete with lines stricked across them for good tire grip. wet as all get-out, I've never had a tire slip yet. and that's pulling out a 23' Marquis with a '90 Mercury wagon. You know, Agent has a spell checker. :) |
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:25:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Apr 1, 2:45*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary" wrote: I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. Well, think about it. *You have 3,000 lbs hanging off the back with 4/500 lbs of tongue weight on a incline that might be slippery with vegetation, water, etc. *The weight of a small engine over the wheels isn't going to make much of a difference. *Add in how much time you have on the tires, the tread pattern, etc. *I don't know about the Vue, but it probably has "traction" control - you might want to check if you can turn it off because if you can't, you will lose engine power if the tires start to slip and you wont' be going anywhere. The chances of having problems is very high given the right circumstances. I could go off on a towing rant here, but I will refrain. I'm adopting a new philosophy - to each their own. :) I'm always amazed at how people will try to pull a boat or trailer wih a car half the size of the boat. I was always leary of vehicle makers *maximum* tow ratings. too many decieving circumstances involved. 3500 lb tow rate? "OK, lets tow 3500 lb.s hey no problem, can't do over 45 but thats ok, OH man, theres a school bus stopping in front of me! I thought this thing had brakes!" or... 3500 lb. on a flat paved surface in the dry. now lets tow uphill from a wet loading ramp with a now amplified 3500 lb from a dead stop. now it's more like 4500 lb. Well, pay your dues, take your chances. I was told years ago by a SAE type that tow limits are exactly that - limits. Meaning that it will tow up to X amount, no fudge factor. And that's not a tested figure - it's basically a design calculation and if you have any sense, you wouldn't go above 80% of it's rated limit. Another factor people don't consider is length of the trailer as compared to the car. Tow vehicle size and weight is as important as the ability to tow X amount of pounds - has to do with trailer weight and length compared to vehicle weight and length. I feel a rant coming on. I will refrain. :) |
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 9:36 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: Well I pulled it out without a problem. The ramp was amazingly shallow though. Its a 4 lane ramp but no one was there so I took the two middle lanes (extra space ;) ) . Unfortunately it doesn't appear there is any way to launch or recover the boat without walking in water because the ramp is so shallow there. -Robert That's one of the reasons I sold my 19' weekender sailboat. Our ramps are so shallow that the boat is still hard on the trailer when the tow vehicles rear wheels are touching the water. (you don't want to dunk the wheels in salt water) To get my sailboat launched I had to drive ahead, gun in reverse and slam on the brakes three or four times. Not something for the faint hearted. With my current open aluminum boat I can almost lift & throw it off. |
Pulling boat out with FWD
On Apr 2, 12:15*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 1, 12:47*pm, wrote: On Apr 1, 2:37*pm, "D-unit" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. *I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. *Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). *It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. *I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. *I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. Check the ramp when it's wet and see if it's slippery. Some ramps are pretty good even when wet, some slippery as hell!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tahts one thing about Lake Carlyle, they Army corps of Engineers keeps the ramps in great shape. they're rough concrete with lines stricked across them for *good tire grip. *wet as all get-out, I've never had a tire slip yet. and that's pulling out a 23' Marquis with a '90 Mercury wagon.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The army corps ramps here are good too! But a lot of times I use a ramp that's close to one of my favorite spots to fish. The ramp is private but free. It's concrete but the lot itself is gravel so the gravel can get on the ramp and make it a little iffy. It's two lanes wide. One day I was launching and I heard someone coming down beside me. I look and it's a redneck with a fairly old and heavy looking runabout hooked to a clapped out Camaro. Now redneck is showing off his high speed backing abilities apparently. Now remember the gravel on the ramp. So he's backing his boat down at a damned good clip, hits the brakes and the front wheels locked up! He got it stopped but he went down the ramp a LONG ways with the fronts locked up! And the look on his face was priceless!!! |
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:15:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Apr 1, 12:47*pm, wrote: On Apr 1, 2:37*pm, "D-unit" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. *I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. *Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). *It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. *I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. *I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. Check the ramp when it's wet and see if it's slippery. Some ramps are pretty good even when wet, some slippery as hell!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tahts one thing about Lake Carlyle, they Army corps of Engineers keeps the ramps in great shape. they're rough concrete with lines stricked across them for good tire grip. wet as all get-out, I've never had a tire slip yet. and that's pulling out a 23' Marquis with a '90 Mercury wagon. You gotta love the Corps, and all those who retired from the Corps! -- John *H* (Not the other one!) |
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:14:41 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote: On Apr 1, 9:36*am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: Well I pulled it out without a problem. The ramp was amazingly shallow though. Its a 4 lane ramp but no one was there so I took the two middle lanes (extra space ;) ) . Unfortunately it doesn't appear there is any way to launch or recover the boat without walking in water because the ramp is so shallow there. -Robert Walking in water is normally part of the deal, unless you're a real hot shot. Hot shots are lots of fun to watch! -- John *H* (Not the other one!) |
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:17:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:15:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Apr 1, 12:47*pm, wrote: On Apr 1, 2:37*pm, "D-unit" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. *I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. *Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). *It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. *I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. *I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. Check the ramp when it's wet and see if it's slippery. Some ramps are pretty good even when wet, some slippery as hell!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tahts one thing about Lake Carlyle, they Army corps of Engineers keeps the ramps in great shape. they're rough concrete with lines stricked across them for good tire grip. wet as all get-out, I've never had a tire slip yet. and that's pulling out a 23' Marquis with a '90 Mercury wagon. You know, Agent has a spell checker. :) Ssshhh, don't tell him. You'll take away all the fun. -- John *H* (Not the other one!) |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... "D-unit" wrote in message ... "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... I was thinking of taking the new boat to the lake this afternoon using my wife's car. She has a FWD Saturn Vue with the factory larger tires. It has the towing capacity but a friend warned me that FWD vehicles may be more likely to spin out pulling a boat out of the water. The car as electronic traction control. If it slips does it help to let air out of the tires? I do carry a 10,000 lb tow rope. If someone is around and I can't get it out I guess I could ask for a pull, but hopefully I won't have to. Any tricks are appreciated, hopefully it won't be an issue but I don't want to get stuck. -Robert I may have a similar issue to deal with this year. I keep a boat (21' Carolina skiff) in a neighborhood with a boat ramp. Travel from my place to the ramp is 3 blocks. I'd like to *attempt* to load and unload the boat with my Honda Accord. (try not to laugh). It would keep me from driving a gas guzzler to/from said beach place (approx. 160 miles) *and* keep me from having to leave a pickup truck down there solely for that purpose which is what I did last year. I don't think loading the boat into the water would be a problem. I like to shuttle back/forth to the beach house in the Honda for obvious reasons. The ramp is not very steep and there's very little tongue weight by the trailer.. Ramp wetness would probably be an issue. Falling tide = wet ramp Rising tide = dry ramp. (most of the time when I would use it) db~still trying to decide if this is a good idea. After purchasing our 20 footer mid season and 1/2 season of trailering it I soon got tired of the lines at the ramps, folks who could not back a trailer in, discourteous people and generally the PITA trailering is. The next season we leased a dock and have done so since then. It is worth every dollar. The idiocy that ensues at public ramps never ceases to amaze me. Some people think the ramp is a good place to: -Blow up inflatables -sit around and jaw -talk on the cell phone -run the battery down trying to start engine that won't crank. (why didn't you do this at home??) -rev engine at WOT (sitting still) trying to get the boat up that last 1/2 inch on trailer -sit around and wait for other people to arrive (who happen to be slowly making their way on foot) -toss the cast net a few times. I used to launch and load my 26' footer alone on a Float-On trailer in under a minute. I usually go out with the wife who now drives the boat on/off trailer while I drive the tow vehicle. It takes us mere seconds on the ramp. I get my engine warmed up at the house before we leave so all she has to do is bump the key, put her in "R" and go. db |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Hey Sam - did you ever solve that name based RBL scoring problem you had with dnsbl.m4 in Sendmail? Refresh me via email and I may have. sam |
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On Apr 2, 5:37*am, "Don White" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... On Apr 1, 9:36 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: That's one of the reasons I sold my 19' weekender sailboat. Our ramps are so shallow that the boat is still hard on the trailer when the tow vehicles rear wheels are touching the water. (you don't want to dunk the wheels in salt water) To get my sailboat launched I had to drive ahead, gun in reverse and slam on the brakes three or four times. *Not something for the faint hearted. Don't sailboat usually have a trailer line allowing you to roll the trailer way down into the water??? -Robert |
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