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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Eisboch



I wonder if any of the parts on the big circuit cars are the same are
the same as the pieces and parts on the Ford or Chevy you can buy at
your local dealer's. Doubtful. They're basically a sort of "funny car"
that can turn left. That's one of the reasons why I find that sort of
racing so damned dull.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often
dyno'ed at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it
had to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

I have nothing against NASCAR, I admire the engineering that goes into those
raped apes. As far as a spectator sport I don't get it.

Of course, others think I'm crazy for watching a
baseball/football/basketball game. And the big turnoff for other than those
that play the game is golf. My only reason to watch golf is to study the
player's mechanics. I couldn't care less who wins.

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On Mar 17, 5:23*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message

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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.

That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. * The
engines were limited to 425hp *and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. * Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, *was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. * To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Really, look what they did to the Monte. We got one across the street,
none of the character of the older ones.

Eisboch

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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My only reason to watch golf is to study the player's mechanics. I
couldn't care less who wins.


And doing the math.

I got your number.

Eisboch

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:23:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

300 car production run - that was the rule.

In fact, that's how I got my Corvette. It was originally a 300 car
production run for TransAm racing and some young buck bought it and
found out he couldn't afford it. I bought it from him for his loan.

There's a guy here in town who has a Super Bird - one of the original
300 produced. Also has a Dodge Super Bee original production car.

NASCAR is fun, although I don't like the look alike concept. I"m not
a driver guy, I"m a brand identification guy. You would have thought
that NASCAR would have learned a lesson from the IRL same car concept
which failed.

This will fail also - how they solve that problem, I don't know.

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On Mar 17, 4:23*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message

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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.

That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. * The
engines were limited to 425hp *and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. * Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, *was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.



Some of them were well over 600 hp. But they were rated at "40-1/4" to
make them street legal. Federal Motor Saftey dictated that no
production automotive engine could succeed 450 b.h.p. That's fine.
But they never specified what RPM the horse power was to be achieved.

So... The hemi was rated for 425 hp.

maybe a hair over idle but. k-sarah k-sarah.

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On Mar 17, 5:28*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
m...

But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.

That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. * The
engines were limited to 425hp *and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. * Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, *was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. * To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

I wonder if any of the parts on the big circuit cars are the same are
the same as the pieces and parts on the Ford or Chevy you can buy at
your local dealer's. Doubtful. They're basically a sort of "funny car"
that can turn left. That's one of the reasons why I find that sort of
racing so damned dull.- Hide quoted text -

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Wrong again. Of course you find racing dull, because you don't know
anything about it, you've proven you don't.

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On Mar 17, 5:07*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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What's left of the factory distributed engines after the NASCAR engine
"builders" get through with them?

I don't follow NASCAR at all, but from what little I've seen, it seems that
today fans identify more with the drivers, racing teams and organizations
than the brand of car. * Makes sense because all the cars look the same
anyway. *Even those purchased and driven by the public pretty much look
alike now-a-days.

Not so back in the '60's. *Then, a NASCAR *Ford, Chevy, Dodge or Plymouth
looked like the one sitting in your parent's driveway, except it had a big
number and some stickers on it. * Then, you related to the car brand. *The
manufacturers knew that and it coined the term "Win on Sunday, buy on
Monday".

Eisboch

There's no relationship between the cars the big boys race and what you
can buy at your dealers. There was in the past, when there were "stock
cars" or close to stock cars being raced.- Hide quoted text -

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Bull****.

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:28:43 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often
dyno'ed at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it
had to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

I have nothing against NASCAR, I admire the engineering that goes into those
raped apes. As far as a spectator sport I don't get it.

Of course, others think I'm crazy for watching a
baseball/football/basketball game. And the big turnoff for other than those
that play the game is golf. My only reason to watch golf is to study the
player's mechanics. I couldn't care less who wins.


Having a favorite makes golf a very exciting game to watch. The way Tiger
won that match with his last putt on the 18th was one exciting sports
moment. Just as exciting as that last second half court shot in basketball
that wins the game.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)