Yo!! Eisboch...
 

As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html

And this...

http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/

And this...

http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html

And this...

http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/

And this...

http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html


Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth and
the Rat Fink Gang.

Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.

Eisboch

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html

And this...

http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/

And this...

http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html


Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth and
the Rat Fink Gang.

Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.

That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. :)

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:47:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html

And this...

http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/

And this...

http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html


Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth and
the Rat Fink Gang.

Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.

That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. :)

Hit the send button too soon.

I've been mightly tempted to do another car - only this time I want to
do a custom. It took me four years to do the International from start
to finish although I drove it at the two year mark while working on
it.

Something unusual this time. High tech electronics, smoothed out
exterior - modern stuff. No big engines this time - maybe a four
cylinder with some goodies.

Oh well....

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:47:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html

And this...

http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/

And this...

http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html


Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth
and
the Rat Fink Gang.

Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.

That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. :)

Hit the send button too soon.

I've been mightly tempted to do another car - only this time I want to
do a custom. It took me four years to do the International from start
to finish although I drove it at the two year mark while working on
it.

Something unusual this time. High tech electronics, smoothed out
exterior - modern stuff. No big engines this time - maybe a four
cylinder with some goodies.

Oh well....

I have thought of doing a roadster with a flathead. Seems like everybody
has a big motor V-8, so not that unusual anymore.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

I've been mightly tempted to do another car - only this time I want to
do a custom. It took me four years to do the International from start
to finish although I drove it at the two year mark while working on
it.

Something unusual this time. High tech electronics, smoothed out
exterior - modern stuff. No big engines this time - maybe a four
cylinder with some goodies.

Oh well....

I was downsizing with the car thing. I sold all of them except the '67 GTO
and the Porsche. (still use the little Ranger PU as the daily driver). But
the '63 Galaxie convertible was something that I've been looking for, for a
long time. When this one became available, I couldn't resist. It's not a
matching numbers show car like the Goat, but it runs and drives perfect.
The previous owner had sunk quite a few bucks into it with all new front end
components, new top and boot, rebuilt 390 and transmission, etc. It's a
flashback thing to my youth, I guess.

I have the Porsche at the dealership being serviced and having some work
done on the transmission. It "pops" out of gear if you are de-accelerating
in second gear. Turns out there was an assembly problem with the second
gear syncro in some of the 911 transmissions and Porsche will fix it under
warranty. That car is amazing. Fun, fast but still gets reasonably decent
fuel mileage at 19-20 mpg if driven somewhat sanely. I am going to stop
babying it and start driving it more often.

Eisboch

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:04:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

I've been mightly tempted to do another car - only this time I want to
do a custom. It took me four years to do the International from start
to finish although I drove it at the two year mark while working on
it.

Something unusual this time. High tech electronics, smoothed out
exterior - modern stuff. No big engines this time - maybe a four
cylinder with some goodies.

Oh well....

I was downsizing with the car thing. I sold all of them except the '67 GTO
and the Porsche. (still use the little Ranger PU as the daily driver). But
the '63 Galaxie convertible was something that I've been looking for, for a
long time. When this one became available, I couldn't resist. It's not a
matching numbers show car like the Goat, but it runs and drives perfect.
The previous owner had sunk quite a few bucks into it with all new front end
components, new top and boot, rebuilt 390 and transmission, etc. It's a
flashback thing to my youth, I guess.

If I could find a '53 Chevy Bel Air coupe with the original 231 six
and "torgue flight" tranny, I'd buy it in a heart beat. Very first
car I ever owned. Bought it for $45 from Brown's Chevy in Marblehead
in 1965 - literally driven by a little old lady who lived out near
Fort Sewall to Star of The Sea on Sunday for Mass and was about it.

Mrs. Wave and I had that car all through high school.

I have the Porsche at the dealership being serviced and having some work
done on the transmission. It "pops" out of gear if you are de-accelerating
in second gear. Turns out there was an assembly problem with the second
gear syncro in some of the 911 transmissions and Porsche will fix it under
warranty. That car is amazing. Fun, fast but still gets reasonably decent
fuel mileage at 19-20 mpg if driven somewhat sanely. I am going to stop
babying it and start driving it more often.

I completely understand - I should pull the racing stuff off the
'Vette and put it back to orginal. The original intent was to keep it
until I got to where I am now, then have fun driving it to my heart's
content. For some reason, driving a 600+ horsepower straight line
ground missile just doesn't appeal to me anymore so maybe it's time to
put it all back to new condition and drive it until it fall apart.

Besides, it's hard to dirve that four plate clutch. :)

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:04:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..

I've been mightly tempted to do another car - only this time I want to
do a custom. It took me four years to do the International from start
to finish although I drove it at the two year mark while working on
it.

Something unusual this time. High tech electronics, smoothed out
exterior - modern stuff. No big engines this time - maybe a four
cylinder with some goodies.

Oh well....

I was downsizing with the car thing. I sold all of them except the '67
GTO
and the Porsche. (still use the little Ranger PU as the daily driver).
But
the '63 Galaxie convertible was something that I've been looking for, for
a
long time. When this one became available, I couldn't resist. It's not a
matching numbers show car like the Goat, but it runs and drives perfect.
The previous owner had sunk quite a few bucks into it with all new front
end
components, new top and boot, rebuilt 390 and transmission, etc. It's a
flashback thing to my youth, I guess.

If I could find a '53 Chevy Bel Air coupe with the original 231 six
and "torgue flight" tranny, I'd buy it in a heart beat. Very first
car I ever owned. Bought it for $45 from Brown's Chevy in Marblehead
in 1965 - literally driven by a little old lady who lived out near
Fort Sewall to Star of The Sea on Sunday for Mass and was about it.

Mrs. Wave and I had that car all through high school.

I have the Porsche at the dealership being serviced and having some work
done on the transmission. It "pops" out of gear if you are
de-accelerating
in second gear. Turns out there was an assembly problem with the second
gear syncro in some of the 911 transmissions and Porsche will fix it under
warranty. That car is amazing. Fun, fast but still gets reasonably
decent
fuel mileage at 19-20 mpg if driven somewhat sanely. I am going to stop
babying it and start driving it more often.

I completely understand - I should pull the racing stuff off the
'Vette and put it back to orginal. The original intent was to keep it
until I got to where I am now, then have fun driving it to my heart's
content. For some reason, driving a 600+ horsepower straight line
ground missile just doesn't appeal to me anymore so maybe it's time to
put it all back to new condition and drive it until it fall apart.

Besides, it's hard to dirve that four plate clutch. :)

The '53 Chevy you eluded to was my very first car in 1956. Bought it for the
bargain price of $400 from my aunt.

The only difference is that mine didn't have that sissy "torque flight", it
had a man's three speed stick transmission.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:36:45 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:04:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

I've been mightly tempted to do another car - only this time I want to
do a custom. It took me four years to do the International from start
to finish although I drove it at the two year mark while working on
it.

Something unusual this time. High tech electronics, smoothed out
exterior - modern stuff. No big engines this time - maybe a four
cylinder with some goodies.

Oh well....

I was downsizing with the car thing. I sold all of them except the '67
GTO
and the Porsche. (still use the little Ranger PU as the daily driver).
But
the '63 Galaxie convertible was something that I've been looking for, for
a
long time. When this one became available, I couldn't resist. It's not a
matching numbers show car like the Goat, but it runs and drives perfect.
The previous owner had sunk quite a few bucks into it with all new front
end
components, new top and boot, rebuilt 390 and transmission, etc. It's a
flashback thing to my youth, I guess.

If I could find a '53 Chevy Bel Air coupe with the original 231 six
and "torgue flight" tranny, I'd buy it in a heart beat. Very first
car I ever owned. Bought it for $45 from Brown's Chevy in Marblehead
in 1965 - literally driven by a little old lady who lived out near
Fort Sewall to Star of The Sea on Sunday for Mass and was about it.

Mrs. Wave and I had that car all through high school.

I have the Porsche at the dealership being serviced and having some work
done on the transmission. It "pops" out of gear if you are
de-accelerating
in second gear. Turns out there was an assembly problem with the second
gear syncro in some of the 911 transmissions and Porsche will fix it under
warranty. That car is amazing. Fun, fast but still gets reasonably
decent
fuel mileage at 19-20 mpg if driven somewhat sanely. I am going to stop
babying it and start driving it more often.

I completely understand - I should pull the racing stuff off the
'Vette and put it back to orginal. The original intent was to keep it
until I got to where I am now, then have fun driving it to my heart's
content. For some reason, driving a 600+ horsepower straight line
ground missile just doesn't appeal to me anymore so maybe it's time to
put it all back to new condition and drive it until it fall apart.

Besides, it's hard to dirve that four plate clutch. :)

The '53 Chevy you eluded to was my very first car in 1956. Bought it for the
bargain price of $400 from my aunt.

The only difference is that mine didn't have that sissy "torque flight", it
had a man's three speed stick transmission.

Three on the tree. Had that configuration on my International.

Blast to drive.

Well, I looked at it this way - the Torgue Flight (think that was what
it was called - can't remember now) meant more time with Mrs. Wave.

Heh, heh, heh...

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:36:45 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:04:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...

I've been mightly tempted to do another car - only this time I want to
do a custom. It took me four years to do the International from start
to finish although I drove it at the two year mark while working on
it.

Something unusual this time. High tech electronics, smoothed out
exterior - modern stuff. No big engines this time - maybe a four
cylinder with some goodies.

Oh well....

I was downsizing with the car thing. I sold all of them except the '67
GTO
and the Porsche. (still use the little Ranger PU as the daily driver).
But
the '63 Galaxie convertible was something that I've been looking for,
for
a
long time. When this one became available, I couldn't resist. It's not
a
matching numbers show car like the Goat, but it runs and drives perfect.
The previous owner had sunk quite a few bucks into it with all new front
end
components, new top and boot, rebuilt 390 and transmission, etc. It's a
flashback thing to my youth, I guess.

If I could find a '53 Chevy Bel Air coupe with the original 231 six
and "torgue flight" tranny, I'd buy it in a heart beat. Very first
car I ever owned. Bought it for $45 from Brown's Chevy in Marblehead
in 1965 - literally driven by a little old lady who lived out near
Fort Sewall to Star of The Sea on Sunday for Mass and was about it.

Mrs. Wave and I had that car all through high school.

I have the Porsche at the dealership being serviced and having some work
done on the transmission. It "pops" out of gear if you are
de-accelerating
in second gear. Turns out there was an assembly problem with the
second
gear syncro in some of the 911 transmissions and Porsche will fix it
under
warranty. That car is amazing. Fun, fast but still gets reasonably
decent
fuel mileage at 19-20 mpg if driven somewhat sanely. I am going to stop
babying it and start driving it more often.

I completely understand - I should pull the racing stuff off the
'Vette and put it back to orginal. The original intent was to keep it
until I got to where I am now, then have fun driving it to my heart's
content. For some reason, driving a 600+ horsepower straight line
ground missile just doesn't appeal to me anymore so maybe it's time to
put it all back to new condition and drive it until it fall apart.

Besides, it's hard to dirve that four plate clutch. :)

The '53 Chevy you eluded to was my very first car in 1956. Bought it for
the
bargain price of $400 from my aunt.

The only difference is that mine didn't have that sissy "torque flight",
it
had a man's three speed stick transmission.

Three on the tree. Had that configuration on my International.

Blast to drive.

Well, I looked at it this way - the Torgue Flight (think that was what
it was called - can't remember now) meant more time with Mrs. Wave.

Heh, heh, heh...


Actually I think the auto tranny was called "Power Glide" oh, I mean
"Glide"? I think Torque Flight was some kinda Chrysler tranny.

Us real mean could shift with our left arm if the "need" arose. 8-)

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...




Actually I think the auto tranny was called "Power Glide" oh, I mean
"Glide"? I think Torque Flight was some kinda Chrysler tranny.


Wasn't it also referred to as a "slush-box"?

Or was that the Ford 2-speed transmission used before the 3- speed
Cruisematic was introduced?

Eisboch

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mar 16, 8:47*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html

And this...

http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/

And this...

http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html

Nice. *As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth and
the Rat Fink Gang.

Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. * I'd trade the Goat for one of those.

That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. *:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, how "did" those Ferds do this weekend racin at Bristol? ;)

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

wrote:
On Mar 16, 8:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html
And this...
http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/
And this...
http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html
Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth and
the Rat Fink Gang.
Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.
That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, how "did" those Ferds do this weekend racin at Bristol? ;)


NASCAR cars ain't Fords, Chevys, or Dodges. They're not stock cars
anymore, and they bear no serious resemblance to any production line
vehicle. Why fans of particular marques identify with them I simply do
not understand.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:14:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
m...

Actually I think the auto tranny was called "Power Glide" oh, I mean
"Glide"? I think Torque Flight was some kinda Chrysler tranny.

Wasn't it also referred to as a "slush-box"?

Yep. Then again, a lot of the early auto tranny's were called slush
box.

Or was that the Ford 2-speed transmission used before the 3- speed
Cruisematic was introduced?

Cruisematic - wow, that brings back a few memories.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mar 17, 8:33*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 16, 8:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html
And this...
http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/
And this...
http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html
Nice. *As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth and
the Rat Fink Gang.
Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. * I'd trade the Goat for one of those.
That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. *:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, how "did" those Ferds do this weekend racin at Bristol? ;)

NASCAR cars ain't Fords, Chevys, or Dodges. They're not stock cars
anymore, and they bear no serious resemblance to any production line
vehicle. Why fans of particular marques identify with them I simply do
not understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, Harry the NASCAR expert! Which NASCAR series are you talking
about, Harry? As to why fans identify with a brand is very simple. The
engines are made and distributed by the car manufacturer, that is if
you are talking about Sprint Cup cars. As for the different series,
when you get down to Sportman, ASA, etc. a lot more of the car is
directly manufactured by the companies. It's a damned shame you try SO
hard to sound like you know what you are talking about.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

wrote in message
...
On Mar 17, 8:33 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 16, 8:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html
And this...
http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/
And this...
http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html
Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth
and
the Rat Fink Gang.
Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.
That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, how "did" those Ferds do this weekend racin at Bristol? ;)

NASCAR cars ain't Fords, Chevys, or Dodges. They're not stock cars
anymore, and they bear no serious resemblance to any production line
vehicle. Why fans of particular marques identify with them I simply do
not understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, Harry the NASCAR expert! Which NASCAR series are you talking
about, Harry? As to why fans identify with a brand is very simple. The
engines are made and distributed by the car manufacturer, that is if
you are talking about Sprint Cup cars. As for the different series,
when you get down to Sportman, ASA, etc. a lot more of the car is
directly manufactured by the companies. It's a damned shame you try SO
hard to sound like you know what you are talking about.

What's left of the factory distributed engines after the NASCAR engine
"builders" get through with them?

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mar 17, 4:48*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Mar 17, 8:33 am, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Mar 16, 8:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html
And this...
http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/
And this...
http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html
Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy" Roth
and
the Rat Fink Gang.
Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white, '63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.
That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, how "did" those Ferds do this weekend racin at Bristol? ;)

NASCAR cars ain't Fords, Chevys, or Dodges. They're not stock cars
anymore, and they bear no serious resemblance to any production line
vehicle. Why fans of particular marques identify with them I simply do
not understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, Harry the NASCAR expert! Which NASCAR series are you talking
about, Harry? As to why fans identify with a brand is very simple. The
engines are made and distributed by the car manufacturer, that is if
you are talking about Sprint Cup cars. As for the different series,
when you get down to Sportman, ASA, etc. a lot more of the car is
directly manufactured by the companies. It's a damned shame you try SO
hard to sound like you know what you are talking about.

What's left of the factory distributed engines after the NASCAR engine
"builders" get through with them?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not sure what you are asking, Duck. BUT, there are many, many
parts still supplied by the manufacturer that are and have to be used.
Just a week or two ago, Robbie Gordon (who just changed to Dodge in an
deal with Evernham/Gillette) got fined for a fender that didn't meet
template. He appealed and won the appeal because the fender came
direct from Dodge and they didn't tweak it. As far as motors, they can
not change the displacement, so basically it stays the same.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...




What's left of the factory distributed engines after the NASCAR engine
"builders" get through with them?


I don't follow NASCAR at all, but from what little I've seen, it seems that
today fans identify more with the drivers, racing teams and organizations
than the brand of car. Makes sense because all the cars look the same
anyway. Even those purchased and driven by the public pretty much look
alike now-a-days.

Not so back in the '60's. Then, a NASCAR Ford, Chevy, Dodge or Plymouth
looked like the one sitting in your parent's driveway, except it had a big
number and some stickers on it. Then, you related to the car brand. The
manufacturers knew that and it coined the term "Win on Sunday, buy on
Monday".

Eisboch

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...


What's left of the factory distributed engines after the NASCAR engine
"builders" get through with them?


I don't follow NASCAR at all, but from what little I've seen, it seems that
today fans identify more with the drivers, racing teams and organizations
than the brand of car. Makes sense because all the cars look the same
anyway. Even those purchased and driven by the public pretty much look
alike now-a-days.

Not so back in the '60's. Then, a NASCAR Ford, Chevy, Dodge or Plymouth
looked like the one sitting in your parent's driveway, except it had a big
number and some stickers on it. Then, you related to the car brand. The
manufacturers knew that and it coined the term "Win on Sunday, buy on
Monday".

Eisboch



There's no relationship between the cars the big boys race and what you
can buy at your dealers. There was in the past, when there were "stock
cars" or close to stock cars being raced.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

wrote in message
...
On Mar 17, 4:48 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 17, 8:33 am, HK wrote:





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On Mar 16, 8:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0400, "Eisboch"
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As a car aficionado, thought you'd appreciate this...
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/20...omic-punk.html
And this...
http://www.garyhowardcustoms.com/
And this...
http://www.salinasboys.com/pk_metallica_36ford.html
Nice. As a kid I used to try to draw cartoons like Ed "Big Daddy"
Roth
and
the Rat Fink Gang.
Mrs.E. and I took a belated honeymoon trip in a beautiful, white,
'63
Riviera. I'd trade the Goat for one of those.
That '60 Impala on Gary Howard's site was something else.

I say gorgeous, but it's a Chevy. :)- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, how "did" those Ferds do this weekend racin at Bristol? ;)

NASCAR cars ain't Fords, Chevys, or Dodges. They're not stock cars
anymore, and they bear no serious resemblance to any production line
vehicle. Why fans of particular marques identify with them I simply do
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Ah, Harry the NASCAR expert! Which NASCAR series are you talking
about, Harry? As to why fans identify with a brand is very simple. The
engines are made and distributed by the car manufacturer, that is if
you are talking about Sprint Cup cars. As for the different series,
when you get down to Sportman, ASA, etc. a lot more of the car is
directly manufactured by the companies. It's a damned shame you try SO
hard to sound like you know what you are talking about.

What's left of the factory distributed engines after the NASCAR engine
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I'm not sure what you are asking, Duck. BUT, there are many, many
parts still supplied by the manufacturer that are and have to be used.
Just a week or two ago, Robbie Gordon (who just changed to Dodge in an
deal with Evernham/Gillette) got fined for a fender that didn't meet
template. He appealed and won the appeal because the fender came
direct from Dodge and they didn't tweak it. As far as motors, they can
not change the displacement, so basically it stays the same.

But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power? My
only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the engine
builders work their magic.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Eisboch



I wonder if any of the parts on the big circuit cars are the same are
the same as the pieces and parts on the Ford or Chevy you can buy at
your local dealer's. Doubtful. They're basically a sort of "funny car"
that can turn left. That's one of the reasons why I find that sort of
racing so damned dull.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often
dyno'ed at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it
had to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

I have nothing against NASCAR, I admire the engineering that goes into those
raped apes. As far as a spectator sport I don't get it.

Of course, others think I'm crazy for watching a
baseball/football/basketball game. And the big turnoff for other than those
that play the game is golf. My only reason to watch golf is to study the
player's mechanics. I couldn't care less who wins.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mar 17, 5:23*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message

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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.

That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. * The
engines were limited to 425hp *and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. * Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, *was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. * To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Really, look what they did to the Monte. We got one across the street,
none of the character of the older ones.

Eisboch

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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My only reason to watch golf is to study the player's mechanics. I
couldn't care less who wins.


And doing the math.

I got your number.

Eisboch

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:23:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

300 car production run - that was the rule.

In fact, that's how I got my Corvette. It was originally a 300 car
production run for TransAm racing and some young buck bought it and
found out he couldn't afford it. I bought it from him for his loan.

There's a guy here in town who has a Super Bird - one of the original
300 produced. Also has a Dodge Super Bee original production car.

NASCAR is fun, although I don't like the look alike concept. I"m not
a driver guy, I"m a brand identification guy. You would have thought
that NASCAR would have learned a lesson from the IRL same car concept
which failed.

This will fail also - how they solve that problem, I don't know.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mar 17, 4:23*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message

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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.

That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. * The
engines were limited to 425hp *and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. * Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, *was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.



Some of them were well over 600 hp. But they were rated at "40-1/4" to
make them street legal. Federal Motor Saftey dictated that no
production automotive engine could succeed 450 b.h.p. That's fine.
But they never specified what RPM the horse power was to be achieved.

So... The hemi was rated for 425 hp.

maybe a hair over idle but. k-sarah k-sarah.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mar 17, 5:28*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.

That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. * The
engines were limited to 425hp *and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. * Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, *was often dyno'ed
at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. * To make it legal for the track, it had
to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

I wonder if any of the parts on the big circuit cars are the same are
the same as the pieces and parts on the Ford or Chevy you can buy at
your local dealer's. Doubtful. They're basically a sort of "funny car"
that can turn left. That's one of the reasons why I find that sort of
racing so damned dull.- Hide quoted text -

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Wrong again. Of course you find racing dull, because you don't know
anything about it, you've proven you don't.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mar 17, 5:07*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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What's left of the factory distributed engines after the NASCAR engine
"builders" get through with them?

I don't follow NASCAR at all, but from what little I've seen, it seems that
today fans identify more with the drivers, racing teams and organizations
than the brand of car. * Makes sense because all the cars look the same
anyway. *Even those purchased and driven by the public pretty much look
alike now-a-days.

Not so back in the '60's. *Then, a NASCAR *Ford, Chevy, Dodge or Plymouth
looked like the one sitting in your parent's driveway, except it had a big
number and some stickers on it. * Then, you related to the car brand. *The
manufacturers knew that and it coined the term "Win on Sunday, buy on
Monday".

Eisboch

There's no relationship between the cars the big boys race and what you
can buy at your dealers. There was in the past, when there were "stock
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Bull****.

Yo!! Eisboch...
 

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:28:43 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But how many engines come from the factory capable of 800+ horse power?
My only point is that engines are worlds apart in capabilities after the
engine builders work their magic.


That was what made the old, true "stock" car racing so interesting. The
engines were limited to 425hp and had to be available to the public as
options in a passenger car. Chrysler bent the rules a bit with the 426
Hemi engine that although was officially rated at 425 hp, was often
dyno'ed at much more on cars purchased from the local Dodge dealership.

The weird nose on the '69 Daytona Charger was designed because the regular
Charger's front end was aerodynamically a poor design and it limited
performance on the NASCAR circuit. To make it legal for the track, it
had to be offered to the public.

Eisboch

I have nothing against NASCAR, I admire the engineering that goes into those
raped apes. As far as a spectator sport I don't get it.

Of course, others think I'm crazy for watching a
baseball/football/basketball game. And the big turnoff for other than those
that play the game is golf. My only reason to watch golf is to study the
player's mechanics. I couldn't care less who wins.


Having a favorite makes golf a very exciting game to watch. The way Tiger
won that match with his last putt on the 18th was one exciting sports
moment. Just as exciting as that last second half court shot in basketball
that wins the game.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)