wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:39:06 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did
not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article
left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution
in
one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible
charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting
the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks,
bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way
to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country
that
do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just
plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the
drivers
in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going
to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone
calls..
Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet
you
cant
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:

Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'

By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01

NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday
after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double
life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.

With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized
for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping
down
so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation
will
take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson,
time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -

Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and
BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..

=================

But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is
not
fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull
down
the
shades while doing so.

The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards
except
Harry's.

It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In
this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.


If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.



Yep. Like this:

"But while the Republican governor limited most of her proposed new
spending
to a few criminal justice initiatives, majority Democrats in the
legislature
say they want to do a few things Rell did not."

That's an example of the word serving a useful purpose, rather than
justifying some attitude the reader needs to hang onto.


And I'd be willing to bet that it was way down in the story. If the
newshole is small, they cut from the bottom. Newspaper reporters are
taught to write their stories with the most important information
early, and the filler afterwards in case of the very likely event that
it needs to be shortened without harming the overall meaning. In the
days of actual "paste up" this sort of chopping from the bottom to
make things fit was usually done "on the fly" by the compositors
pasting up the pages, not actual editors in the newsroom.



Yeah, it was way down in the story. And, the articles by that paper's staff
writers are well done for the most part. They follow rule #1: Summarize the
story in the first paragraph so the reader can decide if it's something he
wants to continue reading.

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:39:06 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did
not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article
left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in
one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting
the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way
to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that
do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just
plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the drivers
in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone calls..
Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet
you
cant
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday
after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double
life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized
for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping down
so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation will
take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson,
time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and
BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is not
fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull down
the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards
except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.

If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.


Yep. Like this:

"But while the Republican governor limited most of her proposed new spending
to a few criminal justice initiatives, majority Democrats in the legislature
say they want to do a few things Rell did not."

That's an example of the word serving a useful purpose, rather than
justifying some attitude the reader needs to hang onto.


And I'd be willing to bet that it was way down in the story. If the
newshole is small, they cut from the bottom. Newspaper reporters are
taught to write their stories with the most important information
early, and the filler afterwards in case of the very likely event that
it needs to be shortened without harming the overall meaning. In the
days of actual "paste up" this sort of chopping from the bottom to
make things fit was usually done "on the fly" by the compositors
pasting up the pages, not actual editors in the newsroom.



Maybe at your paper, but certainly NOT at The Kansas City Star, where I
worked as a reporter and copy editor. Nothing was cut in the composing
room without an editor standing there reading the type upside down and
deciding what to cut, if cuts were needed. Most cuts, though were made
on page proofs.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Crazy idea: Write to the paper and ask why they don't include the word
"Democrat" in articles about Spitzer. You're guessing the reasons. I suspect
they assume (correctly) that smart people already know Spitzer's party
affiliation, and smart people (who have a life) realize it doesn't matter at
all. But, you could find out for sure.

http://www.journalinquirer.com/site/...45 8252&rfi=6



You claim to be a smart guy. When you read an article about a Governor
involved with prostitutes and the Governor's political party affiliation
is not provided in the article you can only come to one conclusion.

It's all about consistency and fairness. Either you provided the
political party affiliation for all elected officials or for no elected
officials. Providing political party affiliation for some and not others
shows bias.

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet you
cant
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.


If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.



Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the first use
and there after it is not needed? The problem with "journalism" today is
that the political agenda of the journalist determines which style is used?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 9:34 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),





wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did
not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article
left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in
one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting
the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks,
bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way
to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that
do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just
plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going
to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone calls..
Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet
you
cant
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday
after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double
life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized
for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping
down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation will
take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson,
time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and
BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is not
fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull
down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards
except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.
If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah salty, guess I am just ignorant, as is my wife, and my dad, and
the list goes on.... Or how do you psudo-intellectuals put it,
"uninformed"? I guess I should know all the political affiliation of
all the governors around here as being from New York, he must be a
dem, that goes without saying.. oh wait, can you say Bloomberg?

======================

Here's another way to look at it: Why do you think his party affiliation
even matters, compared to all the other facts surrounding the story?

It is used at every oppourtunity when describing a Republican who has
gone afoul of rules, laws and ethics. But, it is somehow not deemed
important when a Deomcrat runs afould of rules, laws or ethics.

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Crazy idea: Write to the paper and ask why they don't include the word
"Democrat" in articles about Spitzer. You're guessing the reasons. I
suspect they assume (correctly) that smart people already know Spitzer's
party affiliation, and smart people (who have a life) realize it doesn't
matter at all. But, you could find out for sure.

http://www.journalinquirer.com/site/...45 8252&rfi=6



You claim to be a smart guy. When you read an article about a Governor
involved with prostitutes and the Governor's political party affiliation
is not provided in the article you can only come to one conclusion.

It's all about consistency and fairness. Either you provided the political
party affiliation for all elected officials or for no elected officials.
Providing political party affiliation for some and not others shows bias.


Think about articles you're seeing about Spitzer TODAY. Not yesterday or the
day before. ***TODAY***

Now, tell me why mentioning his party affiliation TODAY adds any meaningful
content. I'm the journalism professor, you're the student. Why would you
include that information TODAY, knowing that it had already been mentioned
plenty in prior days.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Crazy idea: Write to the paper and ask why they don't include the word
"Democrat" in articles about Spitzer. You're guessing the reasons. I
suspect they assume (correctly) that smart people already know Spitzer's
party affiliation, and smart people (who have a life) realize it doesn't
matter at all. But, you could find out for sure.

http://www.journalinquirer.com/site/...45 8252&rfi=6


You claim to be a smart guy. When you read an article about a Governor
involved with prostitutes and the Governor's political party affiliation
is not provided in the article you can only come to one conclusion.

It's all about consistency and fairness. Either you provided the political
party affiliation for all elected officials or for no elected officials.
Providing political party affiliation for some and not others shows bias.


Think about articles you're seeing about Spitzer TODAY. Not yesterday or the
day before. ***TODAY***

Now, tell me why mentioning his party affiliation TODAY adds any meaningful
content. I'm the journalism professor, you're the student. Why would you
include that information TODAY, knowing that it had already been mentioned
plenty in prior days.

Either you are consistent and you identify the political party
affiliation of everyone or no one. The fact that his name has been in
the news quite a bit lately and we can forgo identificaiton isn't in any
of the style guides.

On Mar 13, 12:36*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Crazy idea: Write to the paper and ask why they don't include the word
"Democrat" in articles about Spitzer. You're guessing the reasons. I
suspect they assume (correctly) that smart people already know Spitzer's
party affiliation, and smart people (who have a life) realize it doesn't
matter at all. But, you could find out for sure.

http://www.journalinquirer.com/site/...2741&BRD=985&P...

You claim to be a smart guy. When you read an article about a Governor
involved with prostitutes and the Governor's political party affiliation
is not provided in the article you can only come to one conclusion.

It's all about consistency and fairness. Either you provided the political
party affiliation for all elected officials or for no elected officials.
Providing political party affiliation for some and not others shows bias..

Think about articles you're seeing about Spitzer TODAY. Not yesterday or the
day before. ***TODAY***

Now, tell me why mentioning his party affiliation TODAY adds any meaningful
content. I'm the journalism professor, you're the student. Why would you
include that information TODAY, knowing that it had already been mentioned
plenty in prior days.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would if we were discussing media bias, knowing that papers' history
as I do..

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:10 -0400, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet you
cant
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.

If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.


Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the first use
and there after it is not needed? The problem with "journalism" today is
that the political agenda of the journalist determines which style is used?

Nope. You've got it about as wrong as possible. The first use of a
name in an article should be first and last name, and after that, the
last name only is used unless it would cause confusion.

AP publishes a style book that most newspapers follow at least
loosely. Some follow it more closely than others. Political
afilliation is not used unless it impacts the story in some meaningful
way. Spitzer didn't do any of the things he allegedly did because he
is a member of any particular political party, organization, race, or
religion. All are incidental to the story, so none are prominent in
the stories. They mention that he is married, and has children because
that DOES help tell the story.

How does getting arrested for tapping your toes while taking a crap in
an airport bathroom warrant having your political party affiliation
mentioned two or three times in each paragraph when the story is reported?

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Crazy idea: Write to the paper and ask why they don't include the word
"Democrat" in articles about Spitzer. You're guessing the reasons. I
suspect they assume (correctly) that smart people already know
Spitzer's party affiliation, and smart people (who have a life) realize
it doesn't matter at all. But, you could find out for sure.

http://www.journalinquirer.com/site/...45 8252&rfi=6


You claim to be a smart guy. When you read an article about a Governor
involved with prostitutes and the Governor's political party affiliation
is not provided in the article you can only come to one conclusion.

It's all about consistency and fairness. Either you provided the
political party affiliation for all elected officials or for no elected
officials. Providing political party affiliation for some and not others
shows bias.


Think about articles you're seeing about Spitzer TODAY. Not yesterday or
the day before. ***TODAY***

Now, tell me why mentioning his party affiliation TODAY adds any
meaningful content. I'm the journalism professor, you're the student. Why
would you include that information TODAY, knowing that it had already
been mentioned plenty in prior days.

Either you are consistent and you identify the political party affiliation
of everyone or no one. The fact that his name has been in the news quite a
bit lately and we can forgo identificaiton isn't in any of the style
guides.


Which style guides are you referring to?