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BAR March 13th 08 05:31 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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On Mar 13, 9:34 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),





wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did
not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article
left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in
one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting
the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks,
bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way
to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that
do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just
plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going
to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone calls..
Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet
you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday
after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double
life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized
for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping
down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation will
take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson,
time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and
BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is not
fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull
down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards
except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In
this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.
If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Yeah salty, guess I am just ignorant, as is my wife, and my dad, and
the list goes on.... Or how do you psudo-intellectuals put it,
"uninformed"? I guess I should know all the political affiliation of
all the governors around here as being from New York, he must be a
dem, that goes without saying.. oh wait, can you say Bloomberg?

======================

Here's another way to look at it: Why do you think his party affiliation
even matters, compared to all the other facts surrounding the story?

It is used at every oppourtunity when describing a Republican who has gone
afoul of rules, laws and ethics. But, it is somehow not deemed important
when a Deomcrat runs afould of rules, laws or ethics.



Not true. You're generalizing based on what you want to believe.


You are stating an opinion not a fact.



BAR March 13th 08 05:33 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:10 -0400, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies,
did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the
article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the
prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible
charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest
protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers
folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever
way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country
that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is
just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is
going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone
calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me.
Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation
Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his
double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer
apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is
stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation
will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A.
Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.-
Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks,
and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post
is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to
pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's
standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see.
In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.

If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.


Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the first
use and there after it is not needed? The problem with "journalism"
today is that the political agenda of the journalist determines
which style is used?

Nope. You've got it about as wrong as possible. The first use of a
name in an article should be first and last name, and after that, the
last name only is used unless it would cause confusion.
AP publishes a style book that most newspapers follow at least
loosely. Some follow it more closely than others. Political
afilliation is not used unless it impacts the story in some meaningful
way. Spitzer didn't do any of the things he allegedly did because he
is a member of any particular political party, organization, race, or
religion. All are incidental to the story, so none are prominent in
the stories. They mention that he is married, and has children because
that DOES help tell the story.


How does getting arrested for tapping your toes while taking a crap in
an airport bathroom warrant having your political party affiliation
mentioned two or three times in each paragraph when the story is
reported?



Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as the
party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that party
that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.


Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and run
and ethical administration. Let's be fair.

I now believe the more a politician or minister protests against gays
and gay rights, the more likely that person is either a gay still in the
closet or a child molester. :)


Sounds like you have some experience in those areas.

JoeSpareBedroom March 13th 08 05:36 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 9:34 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),





wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies,
did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article
left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution
in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible
charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest
protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks,
bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever
way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country
that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just
plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going
to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone
calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me.
Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday
after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double
life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer
apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping
down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation
will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson,
time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.-
Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and
BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is
not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull
down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards
except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In
this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.
If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Yeah salty, guess I am just ignorant, as is my wife, and my dad, and
the list goes on.... Or how do you psudo-intellectuals put it,
"uninformed"? I guess I should know all the political affiliation of
all the governors around here as being from New York, he must be a
dem, that goes without saying.. oh wait, can you say Bloomberg?

======================

Here's another way to look at it: Why do you think his party
affiliation even matters, compared to all the other facts surrounding
the story?
It is used at every oppourtunity when describing a Republican who has
gone afoul of rules, laws and ethics. But, it is somehow not deemed
important when a Deomcrat runs afould of rules, laws or ethics.



Not true. You're generalizing based on what you want to believe.


You are stating an opinion not a fact.



Maybe. Show me some examples. The only way to be sure is to look at how &
where the words are being used in specific articles.



HK March 13th 08 05:38 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:10 -0400, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York
Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the
article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the
prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible
charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest
protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers
folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a
clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the
country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is
just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is
going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone
calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link
me. Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation
Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his
double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer
apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is
stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the
resignation will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A.
Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.-
Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks,
and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post
is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to
pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's
standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see.
In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the
word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty
good
at that.

If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.


Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the
first use and there after it is not needed? The problem with
"journalism" today is that the political agenda of the journalist
determines which style is used?

Nope. You've got it about as wrong as possible. The first use of a
name in an article should be first and last name, and after that, the
last name only is used unless it would cause confusion.
AP publishes a style book that most newspapers follow at least
loosely. Some follow it more closely than others. Political
afilliation is not used unless it impacts the story in some meaningful
way. Spitzer didn't do any of the things he allegedly did because he
is a member of any particular political party, organization, race, or
religion. All are incidental to the story, so none are prominent in
the stories. They mention that he is married, and has children because
that DOES help tell the story.

How does getting arrested for tapping your toes while taking a crap
in an airport bathroom warrant having your political party
affiliation mentioned two or three times in each paragraph when the
story is reported?



Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as the
party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that party
that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.


Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and run
and ethical administration. Let's be fair.

I now believe the more a politician or minister protests against gays
and gay rights, the more likely that person is either a gay still in
the closet or a child molester. :)


Sounds like you have some experience in those areas.



Yeah, I read a lot.

BAR March 13th 08 05:41 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:

Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as
the party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that
party that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.


Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and
run and ethical administration. Let's be fair.

I now believe the more a politician or minister protests against gays
and gay rights, the more likely that person is either a gay still in
the closet or a child molester. :)


Sounds like you have some experience in those areas.



Yeah, I read a lot.


No comment about Spitzer's unethical behavior as governor? Telling.

[email protected] March 13th 08 05:41 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Mar 13, 1:29*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT),





wrote:
On Mar 13, 1:09*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:53:50 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


On Mar 13, 12:44*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:10 -0400, BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message


news:ZM6dnQQBGJp4v0TanZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@comcast. com...


JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period...
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.


If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.


Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the first use
and there after it is not needed? The problem with "journalism" today is
that the political agenda of the journalist determines which style is used?


Nope. You've got it about as wrong as possible. The first use of a
name in an article should be first and last name, and after that, the
last name only is used unless it would cause confusion.


AP publishes a style book that most newspapers follow at least
loosely. Some follow it more closely than others. Political
afilliation is not used unless it impacts the story in some meaningful
way. Spitzer didn't do any of the things he allegedly did because he
is a member of any particular political party, organization, race, or
religion. All are incidental to the story, so none are prominent in
the stories. They mention that he is married, and has children because
that DOES help tell the story.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Then why did the Chicago paper and ABC news only mention "GOP" and
"Republican" in their stories.. Was that in line with your "rules" or
was it to confuse the readers who are not as informed as to what party
Spitzer belongs to?


I have no idea hat you are jabbering about. If someone identified
Spitzer as a Republican, then they simply screwed up. At one of the
newspapers I used to run, we frequently got letters from a very
elderly former school teacher who would send us corrections of all the
typos she found in our classifieds. I've also seen editing notes end
up running in the paper.


Lets not overlook the famous "Dewey Wins" and "Perot Wins" headlines!


One of my favorite bloopers of all time was at one of my papers. It
was a Headline that said: "POPULAR LOCAL COUPLE ASSUMES MISSIONARY
POSITION"


Yeah, we got a few letters on that one!- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


No, links were posted yesterday. The only mention of party in the
Chicago paper was the headline which read "GOP demands Spitzer resign"
and the ABC news identified a "Republican" legislator who commented on
the issue..


Well, GOP D-I-D call for Spitzer's ouster. That was what THAT story
was about.


No it was not about that, that is just untrue.

I really can't continue with you with your deflections and
name calling, I don't really expect a coherant answer here either.. I
am going outside to play with the gardens..


What name calling? What deflections?


Saying I was ignorant or whatever cause I am from CT and did not know
his partys affiliation.

I have given reasoned responses
to those who asked reasonable questions.


Another slight, I guess my questions are not clear enough for you,
that is just another deflection.. You just can't do this..

You just fly off the handle
and start throwing things. I can't be responsible for your personal
shortcomings


Hummmm...........


when it comes to discussing something where you already
have your mind made up and securely locked.


Nope, I have an opinion, and no one here has the integerity to
honestly oppose it,

Can you say, elitist;) Later salty

JoeSpareBedroom March 13th 08 05:42 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:33:27 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:10 -0400, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies,
did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the
article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the
prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible
charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest
protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers
folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever
way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country
that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is
just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is
going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone
calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me.
Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation
Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his
double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer
apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is
stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation
will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A.
Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.-
Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks,
and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk
radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post
is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to
pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's
standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see.
In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the
word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty
good
at that.

If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.


Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the first
use and there after it is not needed? The problem with "journalism"
today is that the political agenda of the journalist determines
which style is used?

Nope. You've got it about as wrong as possible. The first use of a
name in an article should be first and last name, and after that, the
last name only is used unless it would cause confusion.
AP publishes a style book that most newspapers follow at least
loosely. Some follow it more closely than others. Political
afilliation is not used unless it impacts the story in some meaningful
way. Spitzer didn't do any of the things he allegedly did because he
is a member of any particular political party, organization, race, or
religion. All are incidental to the story, so none are prominent in
the stories. They mention that he is married, and has children because
that DOES help tell the story.

How does getting arrested for tapping your toes while taking a crap in
an airport bathroom warrant having your political party affiliation
mentioned two or three times in each paragraph when the story is
reported?



Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as the
party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that party
that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.


Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and run
and ethical administration. Let's be fair.


Yes, and MUCH has been made of that in the media. In the news biz,
that's called a HOOK or an angle. It's a huge element of the story.
Many people are more incensed about the hypocrisy involved than simply
what he did. I am one of those people.



Right. Like this chart, which doesn't just point out gay behavior, since
that's becoming an accepted thing. It points out the hypocrisy of the people
involved.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1205430117



[email protected] March 13th 08 05:43 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Mar 13, 1:41*pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:


Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as
the party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that
party that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.


Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and
run and ethical administration. Let's be fair.


I now believe the more a politician or minister protests against gays
and gay rights, the more likely that person is either a gay still in
the closet or a child molester. *:)


Sounds like you have some experience in those areas.


Yeah, I read a lot.


No comment about Spitzer's unethical behavior as governor? Telling.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Forget it Bar, I think we are just fighting with more of Harrys sock
puppets. Might as well not waste your time. The guy almost had me
believing he was from CT;)

HK March 13th 08 05:54 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:

Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as
the party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that
party that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in
the forefront of the GOP battle against gays.

Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and
run and ethical administration. Let's be fair.

I now believe the more a politician or minister protests against
gays and gay rights, the more likely that person is either a gay
still in the closet or a child molester. :)

Sounds like you have some experience in those areas.



Yeah, I read a lot.


No comment about Spitzer's unethical behavior as governor? Telling.



Was Spitzer unethical in the discharge of his gubernatorial duties? He
certainly has ethical issues in his personal behavior.

JoeSpareBedroom March 13th 08 05:56 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:42:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:33:27 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:10 -0400, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York
Lies,
did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the
article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the
prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible
charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double
standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you
watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest
protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers
folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a
clever
way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the
country
that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is
just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is
going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone
calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link
me.
Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a
rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation
Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his
double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer
apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is
stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the
resignation
will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A.
Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.-
Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks,
and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk
radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post
is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to
pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's
standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see.
In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the
word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you
are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it..
period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty
good
at that.

If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant
of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that
the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a
democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut?
I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of
a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the
republican
party position on something.


Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the
first
use and there after it is not needed? The problem with "journalism"
today is that the political agenda of the journalist determines
which style is used?

Nope. You've got it about as wrong as possible. The first use of a
name in an article should be first and last name, and after that,
the
last name only is used unless it would cause confusion.
AP publishes a style book that most newspapers follow at least
loosely. Some follow it more closely than others. Political
afilliation is not used unless it impacts the story in some
meaningful
way. Spitzer didn't do any of the things he allegedly did because he
is a member of any particular political party, organization, race,
or
religion. All are incidental to the story, so none are prominent in
the stories. They mention that he is married, and has children
because
that DOES help tell the story.

How does getting arrested for tapping your toes while taking a crap
in
an airport bathroom warrant having your political party affiliation
mentioned two or three times in each paragraph when the story is
reported?



Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as the
party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that party
that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.

Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and run
and ethical administration. Let's be fair.


Yes, and MUCH has been made of that in the media. In the news biz,
that's called a HOOK or an angle. It's a huge element of the story.
Many people are more incensed about the hypocrisy involved than simply
what he did. I am one of those people.



Right. Like this chart, which doesn't just point out gay behavior, since
that's becoming an accepted thing. It points out the hypocrisy of the
people
involved.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1205430117


You are pretty weird sometimes, Kanter.




Have you seen a better one page summary of (as the magazine called it) "Hot
Republican Gay Sex"? :-)



[email protected] March 13th 08 05:59 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Mar 13, 1:49*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:43:44 -0700 (PDT),





wrote:
On Mar 13, 1:41*pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:


Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as
the party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that
party that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.


Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and
run and ethical administration. Let's be fair.


I now believe the more a politician or minister protests against gays
and gay rights, the more likely that person is either a gay still in
the closet or a child molester. *:)


Sounds like you have some experience in those areas.


Yeah, I read a lot.


No comment about Spitzer's unethical behavior as governor? Telling.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Forget it Bar, I think we are just fighting with more of Harrys sock
puppets. Might as well not waste your time. The guy almost had me
believing he was from CT;)


If by "The Guy" you are referring to me, I am from Connecticut. I was
born in Norwalk Hospital, and now live in a suburb of Hartford.


Wow, then you must know about Harry's fathers marina, right? The one
that Harry sold off all of the contents for millions thereby creating
a flood of inventory so big that other facilities came close to or did
go out of business?


HK March 13th 08 06:10 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:49:57 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:43:44 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 1:41 pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as
the party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that
party that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.
Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and
run and ethical administration. Let's be fair.
I now believe the more a politician or minister protests against gays
and gay rights, the more likely that person is either a gay still in
the closet or a child molester. :)
Sounds like you have some experience in those areas.
Yeah, I read a lot.
No comment about Spitzer's unethical behavior as governor? Telling.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Forget it Bar, I think we are just fighting with more of Harrys sock
puppets. Might as well not waste your time. The guy almost had me
believing he was from CT;)

If by "The Guy" you are referring to me, I am from Connecticut. I was
born in Norwalk Hospital, and now live in a suburb of Hartford.

I have to ask if you meant me, because I haven't seen anybody else in
this thread mentioning that they live in Connecticut, and nothing in
the above text was written by me. Bar was responding to HK. I have my
newsreader filter set to mark his posts "read". I normally only read
what he posts if they appear to be part of a thread I am particpating
in. Even then, I often skip over them, as I knmow what they say
without reading them. He's pretty consistent. I mostly ignore them.


In the above, I am referring to ignoring HK, not BAR. I just read what
I posted, and it didn't make that exactly clear!




snerk What else is new.


JoeSpareBedroom March 13th 08 06:12 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:56:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:42:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:33:27 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:10 -0400, BAR
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York
Lies,
did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the
article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the
prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible
charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come
the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double
standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you
watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC
news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest
protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers
folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a
clever
way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the
country
that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is
just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all
the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is
going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone
calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link
me.
Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a
rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation
Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his
double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer
apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is
stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the
resignation
will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A.
Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic
accusation.-
Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1...
Thanks,
and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk
radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington
Post
is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to
pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's
standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to
see.
In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with
the
word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you
are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it..
period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be
pretty
good
at that.

If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant
of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that
the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW
YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a
democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of
Connecticut?
I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part
of
a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the
republican
party position on something.


Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the
first
use and there after it is not needed? The problem with
"journalism"
today is that the political agenda of the journalist determines
which style is used?

Nope. You've got it about as wrong as possible. The first use of a
name in an article should be first and last name, and after that,
the
last name only is used unless it would cause confusion.
AP publishes a style book that most newspapers follow at least
loosely. Some follow it more closely than others. Political
afilliation is not used unless it impacts the story in some
meaningful
way. Spitzer didn't do any of the things he allegedly did because
he
is a member of any particular political party, organization, race,
or
religion. All are incidental to the story, so none are prominent
in
the stories. They mention that he is married, and has children
because
that DOES help tell the story.

How does getting arrested for tapping your toes while taking a crap
in
an airport bathroom warrant having your political party affiliation
mentioned two or three times in each paragraph when the story is
reported?



Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as
the
party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that party
that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.

Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and
run
and ethical administration. Let's be fair.


Yes, and MUCH has been made of that in the media. In the news biz,
that's called a HOOK or an angle. It's a huge element of the story.
Many people are more incensed about the hypocrisy involved than simply
what he did. I am one of those people.



Right. Like this chart, which doesn't just point out gay behavior, since
that's becoming an accepted thing. It points out the hypocrisy of the
people
involved.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1205430117


You are pretty weird sometimes, Kanter.




Have you seen a better one page summary of (as the magazine called it)
"Hot
Republican Gay Sex"? :-)


Certainly not something I would scan and save, and the sample size is
minuscule, so it doesn't mean much anyway. If the title was as you
state, then it's yellow journalism and pandering to a particular
demographic. You apparently match that target group. As I said,
sometimes you are a little weird. This is one of those times.



It serves a purpose: Dealing with the faithful who pretend they've never
heard of these bathroom queens before, and insist on "a cite". That usually
shuts them up. It's fun.



JoeSpareBedroom March 13th 08 06:31 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:12:01 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Right. Like this chart, which doesn't just point out gay behavior,
since
that's becoming an accepted thing. It points out the hypocrisy of the
people
involved.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1205430117


You are pretty weird sometimes, Kanter.




Have you seen a better one page summary of (as the magazine called it)
"Hot
Republican Gay Sex"? :-)


Certainly not something I would scan and save, and the sample size is
minuscule, so it doesn't mean much anyway. If the title was as you
state, then it's yellow journalism and pandering to a particular
demographic. You apparently match that target group. As I said,
sometimes you are a little weird. This is one of those times.



It serves a purpose: Dealing with the faithful who pretend they've never
heard of these bathroom queens before, and insist on "a cite". That
usually
shuts them up. It's fun.


Sorry, Doug. You seem like just another type of pervert with thisline
of argument.



Why? I'm too busy to go finding links for twits who never read the news.
This is perfect.



BAR March 13th 08 06:41 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:56:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:42:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:33:27 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:10 -0400, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York
Lies,
did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the
article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the
prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible
charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double
standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you
watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest
protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers
folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a
clever
way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the
country
that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is
just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is
going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone
calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link
me.
Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a
rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation
Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his
double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer
apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is
stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the
resignation
will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A.
Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.-
Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks,
and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk
radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post
is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to
pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's
standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see.
In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the
word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you
are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it..
period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty
good
at that.
If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant
of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that
the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a
democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut?
I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of
a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the
republican
party position on something.


Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the
first
use and there after it is not needed? The problem with "journalism"
today is that the political agenda of the journalist determines
which style is used?
Nope. You've got it about as wrong as possible. The first use of a
name in an article should be first and last name, and after that,
the
last name only is used unless it would cause confusion.
AP publishes a style book that most newspapers follow at least
loosely. Some follow it more closely than others. Political
afilliation is not used unless it impacts the story in some
meaningful
way. Spitzer didn't do any of the things he allegedly did because he
is a member of any particular political party, organization, race,
or
religion. All are incidental to the story, so none are prominent in
the stories. They mention that he is married, and has children
because
that DOES help tell the story.
How does getting arrested for tapping your toes while taking a crap
in
an airport bathroom warrant having your political party affiliation
mentioned two or three times in each paragraph when the story is
reported?


Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as the
party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that party
that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.
Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and run
and ethical administration. Let's be fair.

Yes, and MUCH has been made of that in the media. In the news biz,
that's called a HOOK or an angle. It's a huge element of the story.
Many people are more incensed about the hypocrisy involved than simply
what he did. I am one of those people.


Right. Like this chart, which doesn't just point out gay behavior, since
that's becoming an accepted thing. It points out the hypocrisy of the
people
involved.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1205430117

You are pretty weird sometimes, Kanter.



Have you seen a better one page summary of (as the magazine called it) "Hot
Republican Gay Sex"? :-)


Certainly not something I would scan and save, and the sample size is
minuscule, so it doesn't mean much anyway. If the title was as you
state, then it's yellow journalism and pandering to a particular
demographic. You apparently match that target group. As I said,
sometimes you are a little weird. This is one of those times.



I believe that JSB (aka Dougie Kanter) is interested in Gay Republican
Sex. He talks about it every chance he gets.


JoeSpareBedroom March 13th 08 06:49 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:56:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:42:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:33:27 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:10 -0400, BAR
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York
Lies,
did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the
article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the
prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible
charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come
the
excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double
standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you
watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC
news,
Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest
protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers
folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a
clever
way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the
country
that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is
just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all
the
drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who
is
going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the
phone
calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link
me.
Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:
Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'
By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01
NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a
rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as
a
crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation
Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his
double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.
With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer
apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is
stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the
resignation
will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A.
Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -
Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic
accusation.-
Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1...
Thanks,
and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk
radio..
=================
But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington
Post
is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to
pull down the
shades while doing so.
The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's
standards except
Harry's.
It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to
see.
In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with
the
word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you
are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it..
period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be
pretty
good
at that.
If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty
ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to
that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW
YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a
democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of
Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part
of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the
republican
party position on something.


Isn't the standard style that the identification goes with the
first
use and there after it is not needed? The problem with
"journalism"
today is that the political agenda of the journalist determines
which style is used?
Nope. You've got it about as wrong as possible. The first use of
a
name in an article should be first and last name, and after that,
the
last name only is used unless it would cause confusion.
AP publishes a style book that most newspapers follow at least
loosely. Some follow it more closely than others. Political
afilliation is not used unless it impacts the story in some
meaningful
way. Spitzer didn't do any of the things he allegedly did because
he
is a member of any particular political party, organization,
race, or
religion. All are incidental to the story, so none are prominent
in
the stories. They mention that he is married, and has children
because
that DOES help tell the story.
How does getting arrested for tapping your toes while taking a
crap in
an airport bathroom warrant having your political party
affiliation
mentioned two or three times in each paragraph when the story is
reported?


Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as
the
party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that
party
that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.
Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and
run
and ethical administration. Let's be fair.

Yes, and MUCH has been made of that in the media. In the news biz,
that's called a HOOK or an angle. It's a huge element of the story.
Many people are more incensed about the hypocrisy involved than
simply
what he did. I am one of those people.


Right. Like this chart, which doesn't just point out gay behavior,
since
that's becoming an accepted thing. It points out the hypocrisy of the
people
involved.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1205430117

You are pretty weird sometimes, Kanter.



Have you seen a better one page summary of (as the magazine called it)
"Hot Republican Gay Sex"? :-)


Certainly not something I would scan and save, and the sample size is
minuscule, so it doesn't mean much anyway. If the title was as you
state, then it's yellow journalism and pandering to a particular
demographic. You apparently match that target group. As I said,
sometimes you are a little weird. This is one of those times.


I believe that JSB (aka Dougie Kanter) is interested in Gay Republican
Sex. He talks about it every chance he gets.


Just making sure you never forget these things, when you and others start
whining about ethics this & ethics that blah blah blah. Gotta maintain the
balance, Blurt.



Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] March 13th 08 07:03 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

You guys need to et a life.

Seriously.

JoeSpareBedroom March 13th 08 07:05 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

You guys need to et a life.

Seriously.



I will pay you to take him fishing. Please.



[email protected] March 13th 08 07:36 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Mar 13, 3:05*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:ojuit35p1ostl17aupomn4mdjb33bs4jkb@4ax .com...

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


You guys need to et a life.


Seriously.


I will pay you to take him fishing. Please.


I have been pretty much bedridden for almost two months, what's your
excuse?

[email protected] March 13th 08 07:38 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:

Because it is the *Republican Party* that has positioned itself as the
party of *family values* (whatever the hell that is), and that party
that is against gay right, and because Senator Craig was in the
forefront of the GOP battle against gays.

Spitzer got elected based upon his desire to root out corruption and
run and ethical administration. Let's be fair.

I now believe the more a politician or minister protests against gays
and gay rights, the more likely that person is either a gay still in
the closet or a child molester. :)

Sounds like you have some experience in those areas.


Yeah, I read a lot.


No comment about Spitzer's unethical behavior as governor? Telling.



Was Spitzer unethical in the discharge of his gubernatorial duties? He
certainly has ethical issues in his personal behavior.


If you're a creep you're a creep. There is no distinction between business
and pleasure in that regard. Harry has a hard time grasping that concept.


John H.[_3_] March 13th 08 07:46 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.

Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...


Yeah, all the major media. I think I started off with that a couple days
ago.

Of course, Harry thought the story wasn't accurate. He expected NBC to
report that NBC isn't reporting the facts.
--
John

John H.[_3_] March 13th 08 07:47 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:17:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.

Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...


The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going to
win.


Not collusion, just liberal to the point of dishonesty. But the lack of
integrity doesn't seem to bother too many liberals.
--
John

John H.[_3_] March 13th 08 08:00 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:34:46 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:

Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'

By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01

NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.

With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -

Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..

=================

But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull down the
shades while doing so.

The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards except
Harry's.

It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.



If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.


It is the ignorant who make up the Democrat party's base. Have you not come
to that understanding yet?

Democrats don't want the 'No Child Left Behind Act' to work because the
thought of an educated population drives them up a wall.


--
John

John H.[_3_] March 13th 08 08:02 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:49:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.

Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...



What's the name of your local paper? Could it be one of the Gannet-owned
fish wrappers like we have here? And, are there any clues at the beginning
or end of the article, like the words "Associated Press"?


So what? Geraldine Ferraro's comment about Obama remains a fact!
--
John

BAR March 13th 08 09:54 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:00:28 -0500, John H.
wrote:

It is the ignorant who make up the Democrat party's base. Have you not come
to that understanding yet?

Democrats don't want the 'No Child Left Behind Act' to work because the
thought of an educated population drives them up a wall.


I really have no response for this, except to say that you seriously need a
checkup from the neckup. You are not rational.


Are you a proponent of outcome based educaiton? In my county, where my
daughters attend public school, the have change a failing grade from an
F for failure to E which to me means failure but we don't want to hurt
the feelings of those who are failing.

Failure is not a bad thing. You learn the most when you fail.

JoeSpareBedroom March 13th 08 09:56 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:00:28 -0500, John H.

wrote:

It is the ignorant who make up the Democrat party's base. Have you not
come
to that understanding yet?

Democrats don't want the 'No Child Left Behind Act' to work because the
thought of an educated population drives them up a wall.


I really have no response for this, except to say that you seriously need
a
checkup from the neckup. You are not rational.


Are you a proponent of outcome based educaiton? In my county, where my
daughters attend public school, the have change a failing grade from an F
for failure to E which to me means failure but we don't want to hurt the
feelings of those who are failing.

Failure is not a bad thing. You learn the most when you fail.



John changed the subject because he is drunk. Don't follow him down that
path.



BAR March 13th 08 10:11 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:00:28 -0500, John H.

wrote:

It is the ignorant who make up the Democrat party's base. Have you not
come
to that understanding yet?

Democrats don't want the 'No Child Left Behind Act' to work because the
thought of an educated population drives them up a wall.
I really have no response for this, except to say that you seriously need
a
checkup from the neckup. You are not rational.

Are you a proponent of outcome based educaiton? In my county, where my
daughters attend public school, the have change a failing grade from an F
for failure to E which to me means failure but we don't want to hurt the
feelings of those who are failing.

Failure is not a bad thing. You learn the most when you fail.



John changed the subject because he is drunk. Don't follow him down that
path.



I would readily follow John H. But you, I wouldn't even waste any time
considering following. I hate going in circles.

JoeSpareBedroom March 13th 08 10:17 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:00:28 -0500, John H.

wrote:

It is the ignorant who make up the Democrat party's base. Have you not
come
to that understanding yet?

Democrats don't want the 'No Child Left Behind Act' to work because
the
thought of an educated population drives them up a wall.
I really have no response for this, except to say that you seriously
need a
checkup from the neckup. You are not rational.
Are you a proponent of outcome based educaiton? In my county, where my
daughters attend public school, the have change a failing grade from an
F for failure to E which to me means failure but we don't want to hurt
the feelings of those who are failing.

Failure is not a bad thing. You learn the most when you fail.



John changed the subject because he is drunk. Don't follow him down that
path.


I would readily follow John H. But you, I wouldn't even waste any time
considering following. I hate going in circles.



Before this branch of the thread gets too cluttered, go back 2-3 messages
and see how he completely lost track of what was happening.

Even better, here's how it happened. He latched onto the word "ignorant",
and turned it into something completely different. Don't feed it.

If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.


It is the ignorant who make up the Democrat party's base. Have you not come
to that understanding yet?

Democrats don't want the 'No Child Left Behind Act' to work because the
thought of an educated population drives them up a wall.
--
John



HK March 13th 08 11:04 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
BAR wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:00:28 -0500, John H.

wrote:

It is the ignorant who make up the Democrat party's base. Have you
not come
to that understanding yet?

Democrats don't want the 'No Child Left Behind Act' to work because
the
thought of an educated population drives them up a wall.
I really have no response for this, except to say that you seriously
need a
checkup from the neckup. You are not rational.
Are you a proponent of outcome based educaiton? In my county, where
my daughters attend public school, the have change a failing grade
from an F for failure to E which to me means failure but we don't
want to hurt the feelings of those who are failing.

Failure is not a bad thing. You learn the most when you fail.



John changed the subject because he is drunk. Don't follow him down
that path.


I would readily follow John H. But you, I wouldn't even waste any time
considering following. I hate going in circles.



Follow John H. where? Into the john?

HK March 14th 08 12:02 AM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:54:09 -0400, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:00:28 -0500, John H.
wrote:

It is the ignorant who make up the Democrat party's base. Have you not come
to that understanding yet?

Democrats don't want the 'No Child Left Behind Act' to work because the
thought of an educated population drives them up a wall.
I really have no response for this, except to say that you seriously need a
checkup from the neckup. You are not rational.

Are you a proponent of outcome based educaiton? In my county, where my
daughters attend public school, the have change a failing grade from an
F for failure to E which to me means failure but we don't want to hurt
the feelings of those who are failing.

Failure is not a bad thing. You learn the most when you fail.


I had no response to John's post because it was some tangent he slide off to,
and had nothing to do with the conversation I thought we were having. He's
either "on something" or has mental problems. I don't wish to engage him about
it any further.



'"John...(is) "on something" or has mental problems."'

Indeed.

John H.[_3_] March 14th 08 12:32 AM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:49:55 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:00:28 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:34:46 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:53*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

. ..





JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:

Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'

By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01

NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.

With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -

Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..

=================

But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull down the
shades while doing so.

The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards except
Harry's.

It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.


If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.


It is the ignorant who make up the Democrat party's base. Have you not come
to that understanding yet?

Democrats don't want the 'No Child Left Behind Act' to work because the
thought of an educated population drives them up a wall.


I really have no response for this, except to say that you seriously need a
checkup from the neckup. You are not rational.


Like I say, it drives you up a wall.
--
John

jps March 14th 08 08:11 AM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:01:46 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:53:12 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

On Mar 13, 9:34*am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:09:43 -0700 (PDT),





wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:53*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message

m...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:17 am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Our local paper which basically trumpets the New York Lies, did not
make one mention of Spitzers party, not only that, the article left
out all the possible felonies and only noted the prostitution in one
paragraph. Completely ignoring the
Wire fraud
Mail fraud
Money structuring
Mann act
and all of the other felonies included in the possible charges..
Here we go again, "it's all about the sex". Here come the excuses.
Americans deserve better than that kind of double standard.
I still say he will be back, stronger than ever.. you watch.
Just keeping count, you have the Chicago paper, ABC news, Journal
Inquirer (our local DNC ragsheet).
Anyone else have any expamples of local news outlest protecting the
DNC on this one to add to this list? Check your papers folks, bet
they
are doing the same. Some are even worse, trying in a clever way to
associate the GOP with Spitzer for those around the country that do
not know what party Spitzer was, it is quite a scam...
The idea that there is any collusion among newspapers is just plain
laughable. Not much different than suggesting that all the drivers in
the Indy 500 get together ahead of time and decide who is going to
win.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You don't think the DNC has enough folks to make the phone calls.. Did
your local paper mention he was a dem? If so, please link me. Bet you
cant;)
Here's a bit from *my* local paper:

Spitzer to Step Down as N.Y. Governor
Embattled *Democrat* Apologizes for His 'Private Failings'

By Keith B. Richburg and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A01

NEW YORK, March 12 -- New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer, a rising
*Democratic* Party star who won election 16 months ago as a crusading
reformer against corruption, announced his resignation Wednesday after
being ensnared in a federal investigation that exposed his double life
as a longtime regular client of high-priced prostitutes.

With his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, at his side, Spitzer apologized for
what he said were "my private failings" and said he is stepping down so
as not to "disrupt the people's work." He said the resignation will take
effect Monday, to give his successor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson, time
to make a smooth transition.
- - -

Time for you to check Rush for your next idiotic accusation.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good, I will add it to the list, so far we are 3-1... Thanks, and BTW,
like I said before, Rush bores me, I don't listen to talk radio..

=================

But....doesn't the mother ship claim that the Washington Post is not fair
and balanced? Are you allowed to read it? You might want to pull down the
shades while doing so.

The Washington Post is not fair and balanced by anyone's standards except
Harry's.

It's fair when the person reading it sees what he wants to see. In this
case, it made JWFM happy because it associated Spitzer with the word
"Democratic". Tomorrow, it may not please him as much.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My paper is the Journal Inquirer... Hartford CT area.. And you are
lieing again, I never said I was happy, I just noted it.. period..
stop putting words in my mouth. You and Harrry seem to be pretty good
at that.

If you live in New England, you would have to be pretty ignorant of
your surroundings not to know who Elliot Spitzer is. Add to that the
fact that the stories you are looking at are filed from NEW YORK,
where it would be pretty silly to mention that Spitzer is a democrat
every time his name is printed. How often do they put the word
Republican after the name of Jodie Rell, Governor of Connecticut? I
think you'll find that they occasionally mention it when it is
actually pertinent to the story, and pretty much never as part of a
headline or lead paragraph unless it's a story about the republican
party position on something.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yeah salty, guess I am just ignorant, as is my wife, and my dad, and
the list goes on.... Or how do you psudo-intellectuals put it,
"uninformed"? I guess I should know all the political affiliation of
all the governors around here as being from New York, he must be a
dem, that goes without saying.. oh wait, can you say Bloomberg?


I would have to agree with you! :')


I was at a Montgomery conference in San Francisco years ago and
Bloomberg was the keynote speaker. During his speech he worked in
that it was likely he "was the only Democrat in the room." I didn't
think the timing was right to leap to my feet but was damned
impressed.

He ran as a Republican because of the logjam of Democrats already
positioned for endorsements. It was easy for him to run as a
Republican in NY city since there existed such a dearth of intelligent
Republicans that could begin to hold a candle to Bloomberg.

Bloomberg may dress himself in Republican garb but he's a Dem at
heart.

jps

HK March 14th 08 11:40 AM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:12:55 -0400, wrote:


Like I say, it drives you up a wall.

Think whatever you like. I'm done trying to have a conversation with a mental
case. See ya.


Yeah, you and Harry have all the right answers anyway.



Bad night again, eh, Herring? On the attack first thing in the AM.

HK March 14th 08 12:24 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:11:45 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:34:03 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:12:55 -0400,
wrote:


Like I say, it drives you up a wall.
Think whatever you like. I'm done trying to have a conversation with a mental
case. See ya.

Yeah, you and Harry have all the right answers anyway.

That's impossible, as Harry and I differ on almost everything.


Well pardon me, but it sure seemed like he was jumping on your bandwagon.

But then again, he's ****ed 'cause I won't talk to him and keeps
demonstrating that fact.




snerk


So, Herring, it's supposed to be in the high 60's today with calm winds.
Why aren't you and that new boat heading out to the Bay?

http://tinyurl.com/3e249n

S winds 5 to 10 kt. Waves 1 to 2 ft. A slight chance of showers late in
the afternoon.

I unfortunately have to go to a 10 AM "bizness" meeting over in Fairfax
County.

BAR March 14th 08 12:28 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:11:45 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:34:03 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:12:55 -0400,
wrote:


Like I say, it drives you up a wall.
Think whatever you like. I'm done trying to have a conversation
with a mental
case. See ya.

Yeah, you and Harry have all the right answers anyway.
That's impossible, as Harry and I differ on almost everything.


Well pardon me, but it sure seemed like he was jumping on your bandwagon.

But then again, he's ****ed 'cause I won't talk to him and keeps
demonstrating that fact.




snerk


So, Herring, it's supposed to be in the high 60's today with calm winds.
Why aren't you and that new boat heading out to the Bay?


Are you taking your 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat out of its slip and
into the bay this afternoon?

John H.[_3_] March 14th 08 12:34 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:12:55 -0400, wrote:



Like I say, it drives you up a wall.


Think whatever you like. I'm done trying to have a conversation with a mental
case. See ya.


Yeah, you and Harry have all the right answers anyway.
--
John

John H.[_3_] March 14th 08 01:20 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:11:45 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:34:03 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:12:55 -0400,
wrote:



Like I say, it drives you up a wall.

Think whatever you like. I'm done trying to have a conversation with a mental
case. See ya.


Yeah, you and Harry have all the right answers anyway.


That's impossible, as Harry and I differ on almost everything.


Well pardon me, but it sure seemed like he was jumping on your bandwagon.

But then again, he's ****ed 'cause I won't talk to him and keeps
demonstrating that fact.
--
John H

[email protected] March 14th 08 01:42 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Mar 14, 9:52*am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:28:31 -0400, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:11:45 -0400, wrote:


On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:34:03 -0500, John H.
wrote:


On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:12:55 -0400, wrote:


Like I say, it drives you up a wall.
Think whatever you like. I'm done trying to have a conversation
with a mental
case. See ya.


Yeah, you and Harry have all the right answers anyway.
That's impossible, as Harry and I differ on almost everything.


Well pardon me, but it sure seemed like he was jumping on your bandwagon.


But then again, he's ****ed 'cause I won't talk to him and keeps
demonstrating that fact.


*snerk


So, Herring, it's supposed to be in the high 60's today with calm winds..
Why aren't you and that new boat heading out to the Bay?


Are you taking your 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat out of its slip and
into the bay this afternoon?


When he does take that boat out, there'll be a fireboat welcome for him in
Annapolis Harbor. Hell, maybe the Navy Academy will have their fleet out
also.

I played Augustine Golf Course down in Stafford yesterday. Hard course,
slope of 138 from the white tees. Needless to say, I didn't do well, but
got a lot of exercise!

Going to Myrtle Beach on Sunday for five 18-hole days. Should be fun.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I've been asked to smoke the corned beef by almost all of the family
this year!! I'm boiling one just to have cabbage potatoes and carrots
with, then smoke one.

John H.[_3_] March 14th 08 01:52 PM

More deception from the left and the useless MSM.
 
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:28:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:11:45 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:34:03 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:12:55 -0400,
wrote:


Like I say, it drives you up a wall.
Think whatever you like. I'm done trying to have a conversation
with a mental
case. See ya.

Yeah, you and Harry have all the right answers anyway.
That's impossible, as Harry and I differ on almost everything.


Well pardon me, but it sure seemed like he was jumping on your bandwagon.

But then again, he's ****ed 'cause I won't talk to him and keeps
demonstrating that fact.




snerk


So, Herring, it's supposed to be in the high 60's today with calm winds.
Why aren't you and that new boat heading out to the Bay?


Are you taking your 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat out of its slip and
into the bay this afternoon?


When he does take that boat out, there'll be a fireboat welcome for him in
Annapolis Harbor. Hell, maybe the Navy Academy will have their fleet out
also.

I played Augustine Golf Course down in Stafford yesterday. Hard course,
slope of 138 from the white tees. Needless to say, I didn't do well, but
got a lot of exercise!

Going to Myrtle Beach on Sunday for five 18-hole days. Should be fun.
--
John H


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