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Eisboch March 11th 08 08:46 AM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 

wrote in message
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On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.

--------------------------------------------

I can't stand the stupid "Head ON" commercials or whatever the product is
called. It's the one with the girl pictured with the narration, "Apply
directly to the forehead". The volume .... frequency or whatever is
blasted and the commercial is so damn irritating that I often click the TV
off completely.

Eisboch



Eisboch March 11th 08 08:52 AM

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
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All they need to do to hook most of the male audience is to put a hot
woman on the screen with a sexy voice.


Some of the "Infomercials" are really an insult to your intelligence. The
one with the two young ladies discussing how they have made a fortune using
a website sales gimmick comes immediately to mind. I've watched it from
beginning to end at least 10 times.

Eisboch



D.Duck[_2_] March 11th 08 08:53 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:36:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
om...



Here's a basic description of the process. Pretty much along the lines
you described.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/G3.HTM


That ShortWave guy isn't so dumb after all. Never knew that.


OH gee - now you're embarrassing me.

Um...er...

HEY!!!

I have a new complaint. It seems like lately there are a bunch of
different
commercials that include a cell phone ringing.
Half the time I have a TV on, sorta half listening to it, as I do other
stuff. When the stupid cell phone in the commercial rings, it catches my
attention .... at least for a moment. I don't know if it's coincidental
or
if some marketing research group figured out how to get you to pay
attention
to the commercials.


Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.

However, as long as we are on pet TV peeves, mine is the upcoming show
banners they put on.

They put these huge banners that cover the bottom left corner of the
screen and take out about 20% of the viewing surface and they last for
like ten seconds.

Annoys the crap out of me. History Channel is the worst offender with
Discovery close behind - my two favorite channels. I don't mind the
bug in the right hand corner, but those upcoming show banners really
**** me off. Recently, History changed their bug from a unobstrusive
semi-transparent logo to this really ugly red and yellow huge freakin'
H. Took a while to get used to it.


What's really neat is when there's local weather alerts here. Then the
screen really gets full.

We do a lot of time shifting of our TV viewing. It's doesn't do anything
for the screen clutter but we can sure zip right through the commercials and
eliminate those associated problems.



[email protected] March 11th 08 10:26 AM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.

--------------------------------------------

I can't stand the stupid "Head ON" commercials or whatever the product is
called. It's the one with the girl pictured with the narration, "Apply
directly to the forehead". The volume .... frequency or whatever is
blasted and the commercial is so damn irritating that I often click the TV
off completely.

Eisboch

Don't know about head on but active on works. Trans dermal medication makes
a lot of sense.


Plays With Morons March 11th 08 10:35 AM

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:03:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

wrote:
On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.
Anyway, it's called the "Madge". Remember Madge the manicurist.
Although not really annoying by most or our standards, it was indeed
intended to be annoying, this was the first commercial admittedly
designed to use an annoying personality as a hook.. But it worked, and
we do see the results.. Guess I am somewhat of a hypocrite, I use
Palmolive on in my kitchen.. ;)
However, as long as we are on pet TV peeves, mine is the upcoming show
banners they put on.

They put these huge banners that cover the bottom left corner of the
screen and take out about 20% of the viewing surface and they last for
like ten seconds.


The thing I hate about that is they won't put one up to tell you what
you are watching now! That ****es me off. but they got to get you to
go to the ad channel, oh, I mean, channel channel (listings channel)
to watch washed up American Idol has been's

Annoys the crap out of me. History Channel is the worst offender with
Discovery close behind - my two favorite channels. I don't mind the
bug in the right hand corner, but those upcoming show banners really
**** me off. Recently, History changed their bug from a unobstrusive
semi-transparent logo to this really ugly red and yellow huge freakin'
H. Took a while to get used to it.


grrrrrr.


I have had vonage for a few years now, I can actually get VOIP from AT&T
for $5 / month less, but since I figure that is their attempt to get rid
of competition, I have not changed. I just hope they can stay in
business.

By the way, it is not Doo Doo, but Woo Woo performed by Rock*a*Teens in
1959.


Woo Hoo - not Woo Woo.

Woo Woo was used by Arnie Ginsberg in Boston during the sixties.

Arnie "Woo Woo" Ginsberg.

Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] March 11th 08 10:36 AM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:46:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
...

On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.

--------------------------------------------

I can't stand the stupid "Head ON" commercials or whatever the product is
called. It's the one with the girl pictured with the narration, "Apply
directly to the forehead". The volume .... frequency or whatever is
blasted and the commercial is so damn irritating that I often click the TV
off completely.


According to CNBC, that is the most successful ad campaign in history.

Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] March 11th 08 10:39 AM

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:27:35 -0700, -rick- wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I forgot to mention that the frequency shift is the real reason it
sounds louder because it's different than those used in the programs.


They don't shift the frequencies, they just equalize it
different (altered frequency response) and use compression
to achieve higher average level.


I have it on very good authority that the frequency is shifted by a
few hundred Hertz.

Who cares - the net effect is still annoying.

[email protected] March 11th 08 11:32 AM

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On Mar 11, 6:36*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:46:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
...


On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song *(I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.


--------------------------------------------


I can't stand the stupid "Head ON" *commercials or whatever the product is
called. * It's the one with the girl pictured with the narration, "Apply
directly to the forehead". * *The volume .... frequency or whatever is
blasted and the commercial is so damn irritating that I often click the TV
off completely.


According to CNBC, that is the most successful ad campaign in history.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yup, head on is the reason I just don't listen to commercials anymore,
I mute them as soon as I hear the lead in. My bud from ******* says I
am stupid, "how are you going to know about new stufff". He is the
same guy that asked if we could stop blocking spam on his server, so
he could "get all the good porn links" ;) Actually, I have a great
solution, just have to see if it has already been patented, seriously,
I think it would work great, just need to get it off the ground.. If
nothing else, the ad agencies would buy the patent from me and I would
make a fortune.

Reginald P. Smithers III[_9_] March 11th 08 11:43 AM

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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
...

All they need to do to hook most of the male audience is to put a hot
woman on the screen with a sexy voice.


Some of the "Infomercials" are really an insult to your intelligence. The
one with the two young ladies discussing how they have made a fortune using
a website sales gimmick comes immediately to mind. I've watched it from
beginning to end at least 10 times.

Eisboch



And I bet you felt insulted each and every time. ... ;)

Reginald P. Smithers III[_9_] March 11th 08 11:45 AM

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Plays With Morons wrote:
..

By the way, it is not Doo Doo, but Woo Woo performed by Rock*a*Teens in
1959.


Woo Hoo - not Woo Woo.

Woo Woo was used by Arnie Ginsberg in Boston during the sixties.

Arnie "Woo Woo" Ginsberg.


I stand corrected. By the way, I like your nick and it is appropriate
for this NG, you will fit right in.



BAR March 11th 08 11:45 AM

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.

--------------------------------------------

I can't stand the stupid "Head ON" commercials or whatever the product is
called. It's the one with the girl pictured with the narration, "Apply
directly to the forehead". The volume .... frequency or whatever is
blasted and the commercial is so damn irritating that I often click the TV
off completely.


We bought Head On for my daughter. She gets headaches all of the time
but doesn't have migraines. She puts some Head On across her forehead
and then she doesn't complain for an hour or tow.



HK March 11th 08 12:03 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 
BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...

On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.

--------------------------------------------

I can't stand the stupid "Head ON" commercials or whatever the
product is called. It's the one with the girl pictured with the
narration, "Apply directly to the forehead". The volume ....
frequency or whatever is blasted and the commercial is so damn
irritating that I often click the TV off completely.


We bought Head On for my daughter. She gets headaches all of the time
but doesn't have migraines. She puts some Head On across her forehead
and then she doesn't complain for an hour or tow.




Uh, that's a fairly serious symptom, especially in a youngster. I doubt
Head-On is the answer that is needed.

BAR March 11th 08 12:37 PM

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...


On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.

--------------------------------------------

I can't stand the stupid "Head ON" commercials or whatever the
product is called. It's the one with the girl pictured with the
narration, "Apply directly to the forehead". The volume ....
frequency or whatever is blasted and the commercial is so damn
irritating that I often click the TV off completely.


We bought Head On for my daughter. She gets headaches all of the time
but doesn't have migraines. She puts some Head On across her forehead
and then she doesn't complain for an hour or tow.




Uh, that's a fairly serious symptom, especially in a youngster. I doubt
Head-On is the answer that is needed.


Thanks for your concern. We have been through all of the Dr.'s and tests
and they have shown nothing physical.

HK March 11th 08 12:39 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...


On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.

--------------------------------------------

I can't stand the stupid "Head ON" commercials or whatever the
product is called. It's the one with the girl pictured with the
narration, "Apply directly to the forehead". The volume ....
frequency or whatever is blasted and the commercial is so damn
irritating that I often click the TV off completely.

We bought Head On for my daughter. She gets headaches all of the time
but doesn't have migraines. She puts some Head On across her forehead
and then she doesn't complain for an hour or tow.




Uh, that's a fairly serious symptom, especially in a youngster. I
doubt Head-On is the answer that is needed.


Thanks for your concern. We have been through all of the Dr.'s and tests
and they have shown nothing physical.



Have you been to an opthamologist?

BAR March 11th 08 12:43 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...


On Mar 10, 9:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.


Yes, the hook.. I will not have Vonage in my home or business because
of "the hook". Seriously, Mrs. JW would like to try it, but they spent
to many nights scaring me out of sleep and waking everyone in the
house with that Doo, doo......doo, doo, doo, song (I know it's on the
net, please don't bother posting a link for me, please). Anyway, they
ruined a lot of late night movies for me, I will not use them, period.
Would never use the poor quality for business anyway, but I won't even
use it for personal long distance, not gonna' happen.

--------------------------------------------

I can't stand the stupid "Head ON" commercials or whatever the
product is called. It's the one with the girl pictured with the
narration, "Apply directly to the forehead". The volume ....
frequency or whatever is blasted and the commercial is so damn
irritating that I often click the TV off completely.

We bought Head On for my daughter. She gets headaches all of the
time but doesn't have migraines. She puts some Head On across her
forehead and then she doesn't complain for an hour or tow.




Uh, that's a fairly serious symptom, especially in a youngster. I
doubt Head-On is the answer that is needed.


Thanks for your concern. We have been through all of the Dr.'s and
tests and they have shown nothing physical.



Have you been to an opthamologist?


Yes, resulting in an MRI which showed nothing.


Don White March 11th 08 12:59 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Ah yes - the "hook". If you watch commercials carefully, you will
always find the "hook" - which is basically the thing that forces you
to pay attention. Kind of like popups.

However, as long as we are on pet TV peeves, mine is the upcoming show
banners they put on.

They put these huge banners that cover the bottom left corner of the
screen and take out about 20% of the viewing surface and they last for
like ten seconds.

Annoys the crap out of me. History Channel is the worst offender with
Discovery close behind - my two favorite channels. I don't mind the
bug in the right hand corner, but those upcoming show banners really
**** me off. Recently, History changed their bug from a unobstrusive
semi-transparent logo to this really ugly red and yellow huge freakin'
H. Took a while to get used to it.



They used to call that 'branding'.



Don White March 11th 08 01:04 PM

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"HK" wrote in message
...

Uh, that's a fairly serious symptom, especially in a youngster. I doubt
Head-On is the answer that is needed.



If you were forced to live in a confined area with Blurt day in & day out,
you'd have a headache too.
Just ask his wife!



BAR March 11th 08 01:05 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Uh, that's a fairly serious symptom, especially in a youngster. I doubt
Head-On is the answer that is needed.



If you were forced to live in a confined area with Blurt day in & day out,
you'd have a headache too.
Just ask his wife!


You really are an asshole Don.



Don White March 11th 08 01:44 PM

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Uh, that's a fairly serious symptom, especially in a youngster. I doubt
Head-On is the answer that is needed.



If you were forced to live in a confined area with Blurt day in & day
out, you'd have a headache too.
Just ask his wife!


You really are an asshole Don.


This from an acknowledged expert.



[email protected] March 11th 08 07:10 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 
On Mar 10, 7:53*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
Is there a device or TV that keeps volume level or at least
constrained? My kid is trying to watch a movie on FX and the volume
fluxuation is so severe that we can't even let my kid watch it as we
are trying to have phone conversations with clients in the next room.
One second it needs to be at volume level 45, the next 18-20 is
plenty.. This is rediculous, can't even watch the TV we pay 100 bucks
a month for.. Crap...


earphones. really.


How, pray tell, would earphones affect the broadcasted volume??

HK March 11th 08 07:21 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 
wrote:
On Mar 10, 7:53 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
Is there a device or TV that keeps volume level or at least
constrained? My kid is trying to watch a movie on FX and the volume
fluxuation is so severe that we can't even let my kid watch it as we
are trying to have phone conversations with clients in the next room.
One second it needs to be at volume level 45, the next 18-20 is
plenty.. This is rediculous, can't even watch the TV we pay 100 bucks
a month for.. Crap...

earphones. really.


How, pray tell, would earphones affect the broadcasted volume??



"Just" was complaining that the volume of the TV was interfering with
business being transacted in another room.

When you plug in earphones, it usually cuts out the sound going to the
TV set's features.

This is pretty close to the last time I shall "communicate" with you. I
hope you like crickets, because that is all you are going to get from me
from now in. You're going back in the toilet. Buh-bye.

John H.[_3_] March 11th 08 10:25 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:06:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Mar 10, 6:46 pm, wrote:
Is there a device or TV that keeps volume level or at least
constrained? My kid is trying to watch a movie on FX and the volume
fluxuation is so severe that we can't even let my kid watch it as we
are trying to have phone conversations with clients in the next room.
One second it needs to be at volume level 45, the next 18-20 is
plenty.. This is rediculous, can't even watch the TV we pay 100 bucks
a month for.. Crap...


I've noticed that too. When I'm by muself and watching "something" on
TV I have the remote and I'm always flipping the volume between 18 and
23. sometimes the background music over rides the voices to the point
it'[s really frustrating, or a scene is in "wisper mode" for some
reason. Then comes the commercials *argh!*. I know it's been trick to
brodcst the volume of a commercial louder than the programing to get
your attention. That gets old too!

--------------------------------

Look in the audio setup menu for the TV. Some have an option for "auto
volume control" or similar feature.
Turn it on. It won't completely eliminate the difference in volume between
show and commercial, but it helps.

Also, some of the "virtual" surround modes cause a weak dialog volume and
strong background because it's trying to "project" a phase delayed sound to
create the phony surround sound effect. Try turning it off.


Eisboch


That's a good tip about the 'virtual modes. I'll check that. The damn
background noise makes hearing the vocal really hard!
--
John

[email protected] March 12th 08 12:34 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 
On Mar 11, 3:21*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 10, 7:53 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
Is there a device or TV that keeps volume level or at least
constrained? My kid is trying to watch a movie on FX and the volume
fluxuation is so severe that we can't even let my kid watch it as we
are trying to have phone conversations with clients in the next room.
One second it needs to be at volume level 45, the next 18-20 is
plenty.. This is rediculous, can't even watch the TV we pay 100 bucks
a month for.. Crap...
earphones. really.


How, pray tell, would earphones affect the broadcasted volume??


"Just" was complaining that the volume of the TV was interfering with
business being transacted in another room.

When you plug in earphones, it usually cuts out the sound going to the
TV set's features.

This is pretty close to the last time I shall "communicate" with you. I
hope you like crickets, because that is all you are going to get from me
from now in. You're going back in the toilet. Buh-bye.


The sound change is in the broadcast NOT the "T'V set's features". And
no, that wasn't Just's complaint. It was "volume fluctuation". This is
done via the broadcast, not the internal electronics of the set.

JoeSpareBedroom March 12th 08 03:03 PM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 

wrote in message
...
Is there a device or TV that keeps volume level or at least
constrained? My kid is trying to watch a movie on FX and the volume
fluxuation is so severe that we can't even let my kid watch it as we
are trying to have phone conversations with clients in the next room.
One second it needs to be at volume level 45, the next 18-20 is
plenty.. This is rediculous, can't even watch the TV we pay 100 bucks
a month for.. Crap...



Isn't that what products from dbx do - the compression things normally used
by musicians for instruments and PA systems? It would only work, though, if
you run your TV sound through a stereo system.

Example:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--DBX266XL

If that's what the product does, it's not a terribly expensive solution.



-rick- March 13th 08 02:51 AM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:27:35 -0700, -rick- wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I forgot to mention that the frequency shift is the real reason it
sounds louder because it's different than those used in the programs.


They don't shift the frequencies, they just equalize it
different (altered frequency response) and use compression
to achieve higher average level.


I have it on very good authority that the frequency is shifted by a
few hundred Hertz.


OK... I just hadn't seen any evidence of it but I am still
occasionally teachable.

I was also thinking it would be problematic to implement a
proportional frequency shift and that a fixed shift of that
magnitude would be quite noticeable on the lowest octave or
so. It finally struck me that proportional shift is
actually quite easy to implement.

Who cares - the net effect is still annoying.


That's for sure.

Calif Bill March 15th 08 04:48 AM

OT Trying to watch a movie..
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:19:50 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:46:44 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Is there a device or TV that keeps volume level or at least
constrained? My kid is trying to watch a movie on FX and the volume
fluxuation is so severe that we can't even let my kid watch it as we
are trying to have phone conversations with clients in the next room.
One second it needs to be at volume level 45, the next 18-20 is
plenty.. This is rediculous, can't even watch the TV we pay 100 bucks
a month for.. Crap...

It's not the volume actually - the signal input never varies.

What changes is the frequency of the audio.

Very clever.


The frequency of the audio? Wouldn't that make the voices sound
unnatural.

I do a lot of radio station time shifting via the Internet. I like to
listen to programs from the old home town at night. I have the same
problem
with audio level differences between commercials and the programming.

I took of the files I downloaded and loaded it into Cool Edit Pro. Sure
enough, the audio amplitude level between the commercials and the
programming is significantly different.

Just my observations.


It's true. The shift is to slighty higher, sharper tones and
frequency - you really wouldn't notice it.

The other reason is that in addition to the slight frequency shift,
the audio is leveled such that it's loud all the time.

The FCC regulates how loud a commercial can be and it can be no louder
than the highest audio level reached in the show. The same with
frequency.

However, the FCC doesn't regulate the audio level for commercials - so
with the slight shift in frequency bringing sharper audio, the levels
are at the loudest level produced during the broadcast itself.

Net effect - louder commercials even though they aren't louder than
the broadcast.

Like I said, very clever.


Used to be more modulation forced the higher volume.




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